‘Kante and Matuidi covering the midfield’ - both scored a 4.
Griezmann and Mbappe are also ‘game changers’ - both rated lower than Pogba.
You can’t slate the performance of Pogba when the entire team are rated as having a very bad game.
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‘Kante and Matuidi covering the midfield’ - both scored a 4.
Griezmann and Mbappe are also ‘game changers’ - both rated lower than Pogba.
You can’t slate the performance of Pogba when the entire team are rated as having a very bad game.
The same way people would have you believe he had a bad season this year when the stats show otherwise. Pogba had a better goal/assist per minute ratio this season than media darling KDB. If that's a bad season I'd love to see what a great season would be.
I think it's the most discussion worthy point to be fair. That is still a characterism of his and it sounds like tough love is needed with him at times.
I think you can see his emotional response to being dropped to the interviews to date, he'll want to prove the manager wrong its just a case of whether he ups his game or blames other factors for his failures and tries to do so whilst playing elsewhere.
I think he came back to us to prove a point so I'll be surprised if he wants to leave before really shining.
Did you even watch the match? The fact that it was an unexperienced US team means nothing really, it was the same for everyone else.
Pogba hit the bar or post(I can't remember properly) and also created the best chance of France in the first half which should really have resulted in a penalty. Matiudi was incredibly garbage btw.
Why?
I watched the game. France overalll were shite. Pogba wasn't really an exceptionn. He just played like he does for us...it took an age for people to start accepting that Pogba playing poorly in a United shiirt wasn't everyone else's fault. As soon as he goes and play for the national team the same excuses rehash themselves back into existence.
THere are fundamental problems with Paul Pogba that aren't solved or caused by which players you put around him or how well they play.
I suspect it'll be the same for France as it was at the Euros...they wont be able to decide whether to keep him in the team or not because when he is in it, he won't do much to justify it, and when he isn't, whoever plays instead will have noticably less ability.
A team is 11 players. Look at the ratings of all his teammates above and tell me how a central midfielder is meant to impact a game greatly when all his teammates are having an off day?
He's such a popular person. Dybala talking about him yesterday, Bale today. He must have a fantastic personality behind the scenes, although, to be honest, we see how big his personality is through his social media sites.
Players want to play with him and he'll be a major factor for players coming here, in my opinion.
Players want to play with him and he'll be a major factor for players coming here, in my opinion.
Yeah that might be the case but he needs to focus a bit more on his football and less on the social media side. Our excuses for Pogba are wearing really thin .
I never get the 'he needs to focus on his football more' bit.
When he's on the pitch, he's focused. When he's off it, he can do whatever he wants, providing it doesn't get him into trouble.
Is he focused ? He tends to drop his head and pile up crap when things dont go his way . Apparently this has been a trade of his since young age . He also really likes to do something for the camera which in it self is Ok when you are leading 3-0 but hardly what you talisman should be doing at 0-1 and time is running out. Another great trade is to do something really good and then disappear. With all this talent he could become such a massive player for club and country but his ego and self-awareness seem to be hindering his progression .
We can criticize Jose all we want but Pogba has been having the same issues with France he is having with Utd so this might just be something that Pogba needs to sort out.
That doesn't happen and that's the problem.
Statistics aside, KDB was easily a tier above Pogba this season. Him winning the best player award this season would be a minor upset at best; Pogba winning the award would have been completely outrageous.
Pogba is a victim of his own flamboyance and ability. But he has stagnated thanks to us and himself.
Are we saying he's thinking about what he's going to put on Instagram after the game then?
If so, what are the excuses for the mediocre performances of the players who don't use social media?
That has nothing to do with social media. You said yourself, apparently it has been a trade of his young age.
He just needs to improve his consistency, but then again, so does the majority of our squad.
Statistics aside, Man City was easily a tier above Man Utd this season.
Makes sense. One had KDB. The other had Pogba.
I don't care about what your teammates are doing. If your individual performance is terrible and you're complicating and fecking up every simple ball you get, then you're not focused enough and it's your own problem. These excuses have become boring. His teammates must be on their top level and the manager must have the best offensive tactics and play with certain formation with very specific players playing beside him and in top form to get out the best of Pogba. How can anyone still believe in these excuses after 2 years is amazing. I used to say similar things last year and got bored of it.
Could say the same for Lukaku half the season too.
What excuses am I giving him?
All i'm saying is, his poor performances are not down to him using social media sites.
If you look at United's top performances/results this season (not many), almost all of them are with Pogba performing at high levlels. Arsenal away, City Away, (for a 20 min spell). So I disagree that his individual performances have been terrible just look at his G/A tally per minutes played. I personally believe a restricted role in a counter-attacking setup is probably the worst system you could deploy with Pogba.
You also have to deal with the complete inability of the back line to play the ball on the ground through the lines, and you have this ridiculous repeated pattern of Pogba coming super deep to take the ball. Same with Sanchez. The patterns of play out from the back are risk averse and usually consist of a long ball up to Lukaku. Pogba's just not on the ball enough in the danger areas and that's not down to him not performing. It's a by product of Mourinho's set up and squad weakness.
Pogba no doubt suffers from expectations. Supremely talented at a young age. And the year to year improvements have ceased since he's come back to United. I do think he needs to alter his pre-game preparations for games. He definitely could be more locked in and ready to fire at the beginning of games.
He's free to use his social media as he wants, as long as he performs on the pitch. Do you think that if he was performing great on the pitch on consistent, anyone would have cared about what he did on twitter ?
But he does and has performed for us, so what's your point?
Pogba's problem, as I said earlier, is his consistency.
Consistency is the problem. There's no denying what quality he has and he has showed it in several matches, but it'll be in vain if he doesn't start to apply it week in week out on consistent basis. In several games he looks like as if he doesn't know what roles should a midfielder role.
Pogba is 25 years now. He's now longer a kid. He's approaching his peak years and this is the time for him to start performing like a super star and icon of the team week in week out, not in separated games of the season.
That's right. So if we had KDB we'd have won the league by 19 points.
Of course not. But we might not have been seen to be a whole tier below City.
The logic that Pogba is worse than KDB because he plays in a lesser team (which is your suggestion) is extremely tiresome.
Not really, not on the level of expectations you expect from your super star to perform in some separated games of the season. We pay a lot for a player to perform week in week out, the super stars of all top clubs in the world does this, not showing his quality in separated games of the season followed by some very average performance.
The moment Pogba performs a whole season with great form, no one will be able to talk about his haircuts or social media accounts. It's up to him to silence critics.
Might being the operative word.
Getting back to the discussion at hand, are you suggesting that the immense gulf in performances between Kevin De Bruyne and Paul Pogba is down to the teams they play for?
Sanchez, Lukaku and Matic have been the same. Very inconsistent throughout the season - Sanchez arguably being the worse out the lot.
As for performing a whole season, Pogba was performing fantastically well before getting injured. After that, he was pretty inconsistent, as were our team as a whole.
Matic has been consistent. Sanchez and Lukaku are in the same bracket as Pogba and they all need to prove their worth on consistent basis next season.
You'd be silly to think it wasn't a factor. Man City, as a team, play fantastic attacking football. United, on the other hand, don't.
Did Pobga get into the world XI for Juventus - a team who were getting to CL semi/finals and playing fantastic football?
Thing is I really dont give a shit about him being on social media but that said when he is being crap and looks not bothered watching him dabing and doing his hair afterwards truely ruffles people's feathers.
What I mean with focusing on his football has more to do with him putting his head down, work hard and keep it simple . His lazy attitude and over complication gets on people's wrong side and with him going overboard on social media afterwards does people's head in. The good thing about him is fans like him and really want him to do well, I hope this season will be when we see him blossom if not we might need to look elsewhere for our midfield maestro.
He's been the most consistent of the lot, but he, also, has had some terrible games.
To me, the manager needs to get the best out of three top class players.
It's on both manager and players. Manager need to find a good balance and tactics that suit the players' ability and play a formation that gets 100% of most players, and at the same time players need to show some level of consistency, as they have performed well and showed their quality on separated games but never in a continuous run.
I don't give two fecks about how Pogba did 3 years ago. His performances for us when played in his own position have been underwhelming (and that's being nice).
Too often he's letting games drift by as he labour's around the central midfield, getting bullied by lesser oppositions and failing to make a mark on games consistently. It has nothing to do with playing style.
Well, you asked and that was an example for you. Team performs well and consistently, and Pogba gets into the world XI. If you didn't want an answer then don't ask.
My question to you would be, how come that wasn't happening at Juventus. You say you couldn't care less, but these should be the things Jose and the United staff are looking in to.
We bought him, hoping he could replicate the type of performances for Juventus. Three years older and his performance levels have gone down. Why?
Pogba had a standout year for Juventus, but joining the World XI means little when its a FIFA accolade weighted by club achievements. Rather than clutching at straws to point to World XI achievements I suggest you visit a Juventus forum or speak to Juventus fans on their views of him. He wasn't a £90m player for them either.
So you're basically saying Pogba has been poor because the team has been poor (even though we haven't)? It must be Jose and his tactics explaining why Pogba got bullied by the likes of Shelvey's standard of midfielder too often this year, or why he allows games to drift him by. The protectionism around him is a bit of a joke.
Peeps trying to argue that Kevin de Bruyne is not a good tier above Pogba as a player on the pitch? Really?
Whether he had a standout year or not, the fact is, he got into the world XI. De Bruyne has had a standout year, and I doubt he'll be in the world XI. As for being a 90M player, Pogba had no say in how much he was worth. That's what we valued him at.
I'd prefer if you didnt put words in my mouth. I'm merely asking why are we not seeing the type of consistency he showed for Juventus?
He didn't show much consistency at Juventus. This is my point. If you actually think the Pogba in final year of the season for Juventus is actually better than current KDB then there is no way we can actually continue.
Your only ticket in the debate is going off a FIFA World XI. FIFA.
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