I do not understand why we keep going for flashy players when they clearly do not have the substance or top level ability which we need. Pogba is a luxury player. Comparing him to David Silva or KDB just shows hes never going to be their level. He would be a bench warmer for City.
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I think the fallout from the Spurs game was the major turning point in their relationship, though it had been bubbling under the surface since the Everton game.
Whilst one cannot disagree, I would argue under Jose's management.. someone like KDB would also end up looking like a luxury player and there would also be plenty of bust ups.
Yea I can agree with that, but he would look a lot better still. In fact the whole team would be playing better under KDB.
People act like he has always been that shit. He wasn't. He was very good earlier in the season and for most part of last season. I wonder what is going on. Right now he just looks like he couldn't give two shits. Pretty much since Sanchez joined.
I think he really was injured/sick for few trainings and not match fit to start but then he shouldn't be playing like that at all and wouldn't justify starting fellaini over him/ McTominay. If Mourinho can't get the best out of Pogba and make him work hard enough, he shouldn't be our manager. He should be managing players better. Why is that D. SIlva can easily play in midfield for Guardiola and work extremely hard like every other player and all of our players look super lazy and tired? Every time I see the difference it is appaling.. Rashford's glad for every opportunity to play and is young but Pogba is in the stage where he should really step up and be one of the best midfielders. Mourinho is simply wasting him
I have to agree here and I have verbosely defended him for some time to my pals, but it's impossible to after yesterday. He literally came on, destroyed our midfield shape, gave the ball away and didn't even bother to track back.
Not really fussed if he leaves, him and fellaini are both not worth a place in this United team at this moment.
If he works hard, he will be world class, but if he wants to show his attitude of thinking he has already made it, then he needs to leave.
If he works hard, he will be world class, but if he wants to show his attitude of thinking he has already made it, then he needs to leave.
Pogba is the exception to the rule; this isn't Mourinho not making him work hard, because Lukaku, Sanchez, Mata, Rashford, Matic, Lingard, Young, Valencia all try their bollocks off.
He is the odd one out.
Not really defending him and the points mentioned are all valid. But one big issue is also that he works only in a correct setup and Jose just cant find that
He should be working hard in any setup. Not acceptable.
And I have a feeling that under Pep management, Pogba would end up pretty much like Yaya Toure.
At this point, Jose tactics or not, he doesn't make a best case for him to be trusted and build a team around.
I think if Pep was manager Pogba would be benched.
He was working in the exact same setup in the first half of the season! This nonsense excuse that there is a tactical problem.
The only problem is Pogba's attitude and commitment on the pitch! If we play a midfield 3 then I don't wan't Pogba in there, because he does not deserve it through his performances.
I'm not taking sides here (so Pro-gba and Pogb-anti factions please don't jump down my throat) but does anyone have any solid facts behind this alleged falling out with Jose?
It's not a falling out, because people have the habit of blowing things out of proportion. But there is something wrong.
Mourinho does not drop his key players when they trust in him and put 100% on the pitch. He will even play them through injuries, and his players have a history of playing through injuries for him, because they believe in him.
For example, Mkhitaryan kept on playing despite him being poor game after game, until there was a disagreement after a video session. After that, Mkhitaryan was exiled from the squad or given minuted out of position being a workhorse.
There is absolutely not excuse for him not trying.
It's disgraceful. He can be unhappy at the manager, he can be restricted because of playing in the wrong system maybe, but there will never be a situation where a player can come on and not try as Pogba did last night and I'll cut him any slack.
He was embarrassing last night.
With all the talent available to him I don't see him do enough justice to those.I don't see him developing into a top class midfield for us.I lost all my patience with him.
Coming as sub last night he doesn't add anything instead we lost the midfield shape, he never tracks back, jog around the pitch asking for ball in place which is congested and most where he wouldn't have enough time to hold and move with it.
Coming as sub last night he doesn't add anything instead we lost the midfield shape, he never tracks back, jog around the pitch asking for ball in place which is congested and most where he wouldn't have enough time to hold and move with it.
A totally fair opinion - which I can't disagree with. Personally I just think if we've spent that much on him, I just want to see if can come good under a new manager but at the same time, if we did get rid (and Jose went too) - I can't say I'd be missing either of them TBH.
It's the Schniederlin falacy isn't it really. A French midfielder brought in with big expectations and hype who has failed to deliver time and time again. Much like Scheiderlin, whenever Pogba will have a bad game he will have people defend him and blame things such as the system, or his position, or the players around him, or the manager, or the position of the moon in relation to Venus. It's all nonsense, we're talking about a midfielder who came on and kicked the ball out of play during a simple pass on more than one occasion. Have our standards as a club stooped so low that now we can accept bang average midfielders as our star players? I can't for a second understand people blaming Mourinho, I doubt he's instructing him to misplace simple passes and to defend half arsed.
So we spent 90 mill on him and now he's no good, we bought in Sanchez for free and now he's no good as well now. Makes you think who on earth is good enough?
So if Pogba is like Schneiderlin then I'd say that Sancez is currently like Bebe.
Of course this has nothing to do with Mourinho.
Of course this has nothing to do with Mourinho.
Don't really understand why Pogba is getting so much abuse these days, none of our attackers have been good enough this season. This has been the case with our attackers since the days of Moyes. Be it a player who did well while played in a midtable team or a player who was called world class in another top team, they all turn to shite when they sign for us. The only common thing is our coaches and managers. They are the problem.
Why are the attackers judged on some weird concepts like showing passion or intensity or running around madly. If this was what we expect from our attackers we might as well sign players from Burnley instead of spending truckloads on the likes of Pogba and Martial.
Why are the attackers judged on some weird concepts like showing passion or intensity or running around madly. If this was what we expect from our attackers we might as well sign players from Burnley instead of spending truckloads on the likes of Pogba and Martial.
Paul Pogba is rubbish at the moment - Alexis Sanchez is also rubbish at the moment. Is it the players - or is it something else? It does not take a rocket scientist to see that there is something going on with the player and his motivation. Be it the manager (most likely) or the approach to our games, who the hell knows. I have seen Paul Pogba absolutely dominate games this season, in a way very few players could equal - so there is nothing wrong with his ability on the pitch, people who say differently are going to look like fools in the end. We can definitely question his motivation and state of mind right now, but again we do not know what is going on behind closed doors.
People on here are saying he should feck off and that he is big-headed, but like I said earlier, take a look at Alexis Sanchez absolutely struggling to make an impact in our team - even against crap teams. We are going to regret a lot of stuff if we start to field also-rans like McTominay and Fellaini because they are showing more grit and aggression. To compete at the highest level, you need Pogba and Sanchez, not players that would struggle to get into sides like Burnley and Leicester.
To put it like this; do you think Sanchez would struggle if he played on the left side for Man City instead of Sane? And would Pogba struggle for Man City if he was playing next to de Bruyne/Silva and Fernandinho in the system they use? My initial thought would be hell no; they would be thriving.
People on here are saying he should feck off and that he is big-headed, but like I said earlier, take a look at Alexis Sanchez absolutely struggling to make an impact in our team - even against crap teams. We are going to regret a lot of stuff if we start to field also-rans like McTominay and Fellaini because they are showing more grit and aggression. To compete at the highest level, you need Pogba and Sanchez, not players that would struggle to get into sides like Burnley and Leicester.
To put it like this; do you think Sanchez would struggle if he played on the left side for Man City instead of Sane? And would Pogba struggle for Man City if he was playing next to de Bruyne/Silva and Fernandinho in the system they use? My initial thought would be hell no; they would be thriving.
He has also developed a tendency to get annoyed at the player at the end of his passes when he puts in a ball that's impossible to control or simply puts the interceptor at a complete disadvantage.
Every darn big player we sign disappoints. Its a bloody curse. Pogba I thought was at the right age and had the individual quality to be the the first real talisman post SAF but his game has completely fallen off a cliff. It's hard to pin point where it went wront but spending 90 million such a gifted footballer who seems mentally shot and is not even starting, is a bit pathetic from both Pogba and Jose.
Regardless of wether you like the managers tactics or not, you need to play for the team and the fans who are paying you insane amounts of money. What he is doing recently is simply unacceptable.
Look at Sanchez, clearly lacks confidence and is in shit form. But the guy at least tries his hardest every time. Pogba plays around like he simply doesn’t want to play. Such a shit mentality to have.
Yup, how I wish we still had Fergie as our manager. He would still do wonders with this squad.
I don't mind players having bad days or even months if they are out of form but simply not caring when your on the pitch is fecking unacceptable and even more so in the knock-out stages of the fecking Champions League.
He's throwing a tantrum like my 4 year old when he's not getting what he wants, sulking, walking to show his protest against manager, style of play, whatever. His employer not Jose paid 100M for him and pays him a fortune every month to give his best not the shit he showed yesterday. There's not one professional bone in his body, he's a fecking disgrace to the United shirt.
I thought I would calm down until today but man how he pissed me off.
Grow up or get the feck out!
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Thing is people mention his confidence being shot and that's perfectly possible however another (more controversial) opinion is that his confidence is actually over-blown so his reaction to being dropped/criticized is not 'right i'll show you ya fcuker' (see becks) but rather 'how dare you drop me, i'm not going try for you anymore now' (see tevez)
i know it's lazy to paint modern footballers as being full of themselves, overpaid primadonas etc but when you watch that last night you have to wonder about his mindstate, hell even his professionalism.
I'm this close to going full Garth Crooks today - we got dicked by fckin sevilla
I wouldn't excuse him for what looked to me like a very relaxed attitude to our predicament last night, but in almost two seasons he and his manager have been unable to get him to play well for anything like a sustained enough period. Neither come out of that very well, tbh.
His whole body language suggests to me either his doesn't want to be here, or he's making sure he's fit for the world cup, or he's fed up with the manager/managers tactics/training etc. Whatever the problem is, he's an expensive flop at present.
£90 million player literally walking on the pitch and can't make simple passes. What else is there to be said?
Scholes and Park Ji Sung are midfielders too but you will never hear anyone say Park is better because he runs around more than Scholes.
Pogba is a midfielder
Before Sanchez joined he was having a very good season. Lets not forget that, but recently his form has dropped massively which may be down to lack of fitness, Sanchez coming in and just the general dip of form players have. The problem is, at the moment when we have a dip in form on one of our star players we dont have much else to fall back on. If KDB is quiet, Silva is having a whale, and visa versa.
Scholes was one of the hardest working players in the team, until his legs were gone, at which point he turned into a Pirlo type player that would anticipate the game.
You've created a fake argument (and also completely ignored that you called him an attacker, when he isnt) just so you can defeat it. No one is saying Pogba needs to run around like a maniac, what he needs to do is the fundamentals of midfield play. Covering space, pressing key players, tracking runners, blocking passing lanes etc.
You act as if he is a midfield mastermind, that is efficient in his running so he doesn't have to run as much like Carrick or Busquets. He relies on his skill with the ball and physical qualities. If Pogba isn't working hard then half his game is gone.
People forgot that he was amazing only a few months ago. Seriously, those of you who want him sold
Terribly out of form and looks unmotivated, but he is still our most talented outfield player who has proven a lot already in his short career.
He needs a reality check
At last some sense in here.
Half the fecking team is bang out of form at the moment, shall we sell them all too?
Something is wrong behind the scenes at our club. Very wrong.
This about sums up his performance and attitude last night:
Pogba's attitude is the problem - not his talent or lack of talent.
He may well prefer playing on the left side a midfield 3, but if your asked to play in a midfield 2, you play there to the best of your ability! He is not being asked to play in goal blindfolded, being in a midfield 2 has plenty of transferable skills, it does not stop you from sprinting, trying to win the ball or make an accurate 15 yard pass!! The guy is a joke!
He may well prefer playing on the left side a midfield 3, but if your asked to play in a midfield 2, you play there to the best of your ability! He is not being asked to play in goal blindfolded, being in a midfield 2 has plenty of transferable skills, it does not stop you from sprinting, trying to win the ball or make an accurate 15 yard pass!! The guy is a joke!
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