[togg]

Not concerned at all with his form.

All players take a different amount of time to adapt to the tempo of the Prem. Pogba will adapt, because a player that talented will eventually find his feet and flourish.

We've already seem glimpses of his brilliance this season, and we'll see it on a more regular basis once he and the rest of the team settles in.

This team settling in business is getting very tiresome, though, isn't it. Haven't we been settling in for like three years now...spunking 300 odd million in the process?

Of course, there are no gurantees - Pogba could go the other way and flop. We just have to wait and find out.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

So what is the excuse this morning then?

I blame the groundsmen. A few years back everyone bemoaned our weak midfield. We have brought a shit ton of money worth of midfielders and it's just not happening. It must be the turf!

 

[Stacks]

He's set match winning opportunities on a plate for Zlatan in each of our last two matches.

Should have had two match winning assists

You are conveniently cutting out Liverpools chances. You cannot expect us to score our only chance and then ignore Liverpool. This is reaching. he has 11 chances created to Barkleys 20 so clearly not enough

 

[LawCharltonBest]

You are conveniently cutting out Liverpools chances. You cannot expect us to score our only chance and then ignore Liverpool. This is reaching. he has 11 chances created to Barkleys 20 so clearly not enough

Unless you're trying to say that Liverpool's chances are Pogbas fault, that is besides the point.

Point is, despite playing generally poor he is still creating match winning chances

Imo, when the team gets better, Pogba will get better

 

[Stacks]

Unless you're trying to say that Liverpool's chances are Pogbas fault, that is besides the point.

Point is, despite playing generally poor he is still creating match winning chances

Imo, when the team gets better, Pogba will get better

the point I am making is 1 chance in a game where all other aspects of your game were shite, simply isn't good enough for Man Utd 1st team. Its like the issue we had with Rooney starting

 

[JaffyJoe]

Pogba was poor all on his own last night, I think we all took in the context of the game. In a game were our goal was to contain, he was sloppy, inefficient and his decision making was poor. That will kill you when you aren't going to get so much of the ball in threatening positions. People are trying to find excuses for him now and it's becoming laughable. The way we set up was fine in terms of what we set out to do. The thing with players like young is that they will do their job defensively but when you do get in promising positions they lack the quality to capitalise. So while an Atletico will defend like dogs the players defending have real attacking quality (Carrasco, Correa, Greizmann, Saul etc.) So out of the 4-5 attacking situations they create over 90 minutes they will get a goal or two while not letting one in at the other end. So we want Mkhitaryan in that role Young had yesterday he is tenacious and works hard while offering much more quality going forward also Martial for Zlatan, you don't necessarily need pace on the break but you need your striker to get the better of the cb's more often than not, give the team time to get up the pitch, run the channels effectively, link up with teams mates well. Zlatan did none of that yesterday and he hasn't since we signed him. Yesterday was just the first time everyone else saw what I've been seeing.

Pogba really isn't giving us much out there. Is helping us keep the ball better? Is he disorganising opposition with his dribbling? Is he creating a lot of chances? Has he made us more solid defensively? The answer to all of those is a no for me. He's sloppy with his passing, picks the wrong moments to dribble and loses us the ball in promising positions, and his final ball comes and goes. Long term he will be fine I have no doubts about it. But whenever he got the ball yesterday he either lost it by trying to dribble when it wasn't on, miscontrolling the ball or just playing a sloppy pass. We didn't have the opportunity to build many attacks because when the ball got to him he lost it in situations where someone of his talent should be doing much better. I've noticed he isn't a smart player, he's a very talented player but you don't want him running your engine room. So it's about catering to pogo because you can't spend that much on a player and not get the most out of them. Mourinho is somewhat confused and I think Pogba's swiss army knife skill set is part of the problem. He can do most things to a competent level then add in the fact he's got the type of physical build Mourinho likes and he's a good athlete. Pogba is an attacking midfielder and should be allowed to focus on that, he chips in defensively but he can go on walkabouts or lose his man so you don't want him in front of your back 4. For now I just need him to do the basics well and build from that. If we got a 6-7/10 from Pogba yesterday we create more chances and Liverpool are probably even less threatening. That's the sort of game he should be stamping his mark on. It will come but he's been one of the problem for us thus far this season.

 

[togg]

I'm starting to think that he is just trying to hard.....trying to be that so called 90m world class player...or feels he is expected to be that wonder player that dribbles past players and threads through the magic pass.

 

[baddychat]

Pogba was poor all on his own last night, I think we all took in the context of the game. In a game were our goal was to contain, he was sloppy, inefficient and his decision making was poor. That will kill you when you aren't going to get so much of the ball in threatening positions. People are trying to find excuses for him now and it's becoming laughable. The way we set up was fine in terms of what we set out to do. The thing with players like young is that they will do their job defensively but when you do get in promising positions they lack the quality to capitalise. So while an Atletico will defend like dogs the players defending have real attacking quality (Carrasco, Correa, Greizmann, Saul etc.) So out of the 4-5 attacking situations they create over 90 minutes they will get a goal or two while not letting one in at the other end. So we want Mkhitaryan in that role Young had yesterday he is tenacious and works hard while offering much more quality going forward also Martial for Zlatan, you don't necessarily need pace on the break but you need your striker to get the better of the cb's more often than not, give the team time to get up the pitch, run the channels effectively, link up with teams mates well. Zlatan did none of that yesterday and he hasn't since we signed him. Yesterday was just the first time everyone else saw what I've been seeing.

Pogba really isn't giving us much out there. Is helping us keep the ball better? Is he disorganising opposition with his dribbling? Is he creating a lot of chances? Has he made us more solid defensively? The answer to all of those is a no for me. He's sloppy with his passing, picks the wrong moments to dribble and loses us the ball in promising positions, and his final ball comes and goes. Long term he will be fine I have no doubts about it. But whenever he got the ball yesterday he either lost it by trying to dribble when it wasn't on, miscontrolling the ball or just playing a sloppy pass. We didn't have the opportunity to build many attacks because when the ball got to him he lost it in situations where someone of his talent should be doing much better. I've noticed he isn't a smart player, he's a very talented player but you don't want him running your engine room. So it's about catering to pogo because you can't spend that much on a player and not get the most out of them. Mourinho is somewhat confused and I think Pogba's swiss army knife skill set is part of the problem. He can do most things to a competent level then add in the fact he's got the type of physical build Mourinho likes and he's a good athlete. Pogba is an attacking midfielder and should be allowed to focus on that, he chips in defensively but he can go on walkabouts or lose his man so you don't want him in front of your back 4. For now I just need him to do the basics well and build from that. If we got a 6-7/10 from Pogba yesterday we create more chances and Liverpool are probably even less threatening. That's the sort of game he should be stamping his mark on. It will come but he's been one of the problem for us thus far this season.

Also seemed a little hurried when generally there were a couple of Liverpool players ready to charge him down when he had the ball. Looked ordinary yesterday. He is a much better player than that. Wondering if his influential seasons in Juve were helped by the fact that they had Pirlo and Vidal in the midfield mix.
Going forward he will turn out to be a great player for us.

 

[JaffyJoe]

Also seemed a little hurried when generally there were a couple of Liverpool players ready to charge him down when he had the ball. Looked ordinary yesterday. He is a much better player than that. Wondering if his influential seasons in Juve were helped by the fact that they had Pirlo and Vidal in the midfield mix.
Going forward he will turn out to be a great player for us.

It definitely was. His first season there he was so hungry and was all over the pitch. When you play with Pirlo you know what influence he's going to have but you have to do his running for him which Pogba and Vidal did very well. Pirlo left and then set up changed then Vidal left and Pogba became the star of the midfield the way they set up changed Marchisio has done a very good job as that deepest midfielder, more tenacious and mobile than Pirlo without the obvious technical mastery but still executes to a high level. Pogba was given that left sided role. Juve are comfortably the best team in Italy, so 85-90% they will dominate proceedings and with that backline and keeper the defence was top quality. Pogba was allowed to get forward and create, chip in defensivly but not as much as when he first got there. Pogba is a quality footballer no doubts about it. We have seen what he can do. But when you get 10-15 attacking situations on the ball in a game sloppiness can be forgiven more because the 4-5 times you get it right something positive happens (goals, assists, pre-assists). But when you're only getting 5-6 occasions you can't be so sloppy because the ball won't come around as much for you and your team, the sloppiness is more glaring. He's always been this player but for us in a more even league he needs to cut that out of his game. His decision making needs to improve and he needs to sort out his basics.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm starting to think that he is just trying to hard.....trying to be that so called 90m world class player...or feels he is expected to be that wonder player that dribbles past players and threads through the magic pass.

I was just looking for the interview with Mourinho just after we signed him but can't find it. Didn't he say something about wanting Pogba to drive with ball and carry it forwards? Something like that anyway. He did it a lot in his very first game but almost not at all since. Which has to be a sign of a player who is struggling with confidence.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

the point I am making is 1 chance in a game where all other aspects of your game were shite, simply isn't good enough for Man Utd 1st team. Its like the issue we had with Rooney starting

I don't think he's been shite. In general I think he's just been typical of United's general performances. I can't think of anyone who's been much better. Herrera was good last night, but is inconsistent too.

I can only see Pogba and United getting better though

 

[Deleted member 101472]

For me , he's a victim of his own identity. The worlds most expensive player, a huge global following, advertisers throwing money at him, that type of description goes hand in hand with an attacking player but given all the variables and the current need of the team, he's got to be played box to box and not as a number 10. It's a bit less glamorous but given time to nail down the role , he will make it his own.

 

[Hed Zitin]

Creating the odd chance while playing like crap for the majority of 90 mins isn't good enough. Rooney quite rightly receives pelters for doing the same. I expect much more than luxury highlights.

Long way to go before writing him off as another marquee failure at United. The talent is there, it's the decision making and work rate off the ball that isn't there at the moment.

 

[criticalanalysis]

I'm gonna predict this will become like a Herrera thread and my own thoughts on said player, which is basically he's too good to not succeed here (play well in a position in this instance). It's only a matter of time and the right tactics/belief from Mourinho.

 

[Insanity]

This again, I called it in the 'baby elephant' thread. Expecting Pogba to play well or criticising him now amounts to 'you've never watched him before'. That second bit in bold isn't even worth a response.

This is how it's gone with Pogba to excuse his performances

- Blame his position
- Blame his team mates
- Blame settling in

Now those things have all more or less been catered to, we now move onto phase two of the denial game.

- Pretend Pogba has actually been playing well
- Declare to anyone that doesn't think he's been playing well that "They've never watched him before".
- State that Pogba in actual fact is basically not a good player, not a number *8 *10 *5 *7 and expecting him to "transform and dominate games" will lead to disappointment. But at the same time just to cover yourself state that eventually he will do just that.

With Pogba, what is annoying me isn't even his lack of goals, assists or domination of games, it's the fact he is getting simple things wrong, he is careless, I don't think it's too much to ask him to find a team mate from a pass standing 5 yards away. I don't think it's too much to ask him to head the ball into the net 5 yards away from goal from a free header (Stoke), He was fantastic for France the other night(ironically in a deeper role) so it's not a case of fitness, to me it looks like the big move has effected him mentally, like he needs time to adjust to it all, which you yourself stated, the problem with this is we signed him to make an impact now, not in 6 months or next season. This incessant need of people to say things like "He's not an Iniesta, he's not Scholes, etc etc", how about he just be Paul Pogba? Where's that little boy who joined Juventus a few years back and took to the league and club so impressively so quickly?

You were talking about him needing space and not be pressed to perform but that's basically nonsense because he's actually very good in those situations and has the attributes to deal with them (strength, quick feet, dribbling), you only have to look at his debut against Southampton to see that, they were on him like a rash but he was brushing people off, making fantastic passes and generally bossing the game. Then there's been games against Hull and Stoke this season where he has been given freedom and space, yet was poor. It's an endless cycle of excuses and creating these specific conditions that he can perform in, whilst trying to basically downplay his ability as a player and then at the same time keeping it safe and saying he'll come good. Bizarre really.

I think you got my post wrong (probably my fault in the way I worded it). It wasn't my intention to make excuses for Pogba; far from it.

To begin with, I never wanted this player here. You can go find my posts in his transfer thread to read about my doubts on his ability and skills as a central midfielder. I would have preferred a player in the Modric mold, or PSG's Verratti, to transform our midfield from its current mediocrity. For the number 10/SS position, I would have preferred us spending money on Griezmann instead of Pogba. I personally wouldn't have paid 45m, forget 90m for him.

At Juve, initially, Pirlo was the play-maker who controlled the game and Vidal/Marchisio played as the box to box midfielders who did all the grunt work. Pogba had the most attacking role in their midfield; where he did his tricks and flicks, and got those assists and 'Pogbooms'. Then too he had a real lackadaisical manner about him on the pitch. You mentioned the word "careless" in your post, and that is exactly how he was. I have seen him play in Itay, in the CL and for France: I have noticed the same things about him for all three. He has a tendency to go missing for parts of the game, but also the ability to produce something spectacular. I am yet to see him produce a controlled midfield performances on a consistent basis.

The player he most reminds me of is Yaya Toure. A physical specimen with a good all around game and ability to produce the spectacular but not the vision or the passing to play a central midfielder. Nor does he have the industry of a Vidal or the desire of the Keane to become an eponymous box to box midfielder. Unfortunately, those discussions about whether he is 6,8,10,4,5,3 etc. will continue with regards to him. One game he'll be excellent as an eight and then in the next he'll appear a complete passenger. The same with any other position. I didn't cover my self and state that with time 'he'll start to dominate games', I said that over the course of the season he'll produce enough brilliant moments to make it irrelevant. A foot on the left against Stoke and a better Zidane header against Pool, and we would be marveling in his goal and assist, while the questions over his overall performance would have taken a backseat.

IMO, Jose has a very restrictive style of play where there is more dependence on individuals (the attacking players) to produce moments of brilliance, and Pogba fits the bill. That is why he bought him. He is that player who can produce those moments regularly; whether as a 10 with freedom in a 'park the bus' job or as an 8 against a parked bus.

"Iniesta", "Scholes", "Zidane","Keane", "Xavi" or "Viera" - these players were the absolute masters of their craft in their respective midfield positions over the last couple of decades. Any Young midfielder, especially one touted to be the best, will be compared to them. They set the benchmark, and others will be judged on them. Pogba also never hit the ground running at Juve; he was eased into a team with other world class options already present. Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio were/are as good midfielders as we have seen in the last decade. IIRC, he was also fined or warned during his initial Juve days because of being lazy in training or something.

You expect a 90m player to hit the ground running, but if he doesn't, you have to give them time. The other option is to bench them and then sell them at 75% of your purchase price in the next transfer window. The thing that is bizarre is expecting a player to play like a '90m' player, whatever that is, because your stupid CEO is interested in a dick measuring contest with the biggest clubs in the world. It's like expecting Fellaini to pass like Modric because they nearly cost the same.

It's funny that the 'second bit in bold didn't deserve a response', yet you wrote a whole essay about it. I'll stick to my guns that Pogba is not going to transform into a midfielder who'll consistently dominate games. However, if that happens, please feel free to quote me and I'll happily admit that I made a huge blunder in my assessment of his abilities.

 

[LouisDanGaal]

I'm gonna predict this will become like a Herrera thread and my own thoughts on said player, which is basically he's too good to not succeed here (play well in a position in this instance). It's only a matter of time and the right tactics/belief from Mourinho.

Usually when people try to gloat they keep it to the one thread they were right about something. Nice to see you've decided to boast in two threads.

 

[Stacks]

I think you got my post wrong (probably my fault in the way I worded it). It wasn't my intention to make excuses for Pogba; far from it.

To begin with, I never wanted this player here. You can go find my posts in his transfer thread to read about my doubts on his ability and skills as a central midfielder. I would have preferred a player in the Modric mold, or PSG's Verratti, to transform our midfield from its current mediocrity. For the number 10/SS position, I would have preferred us spending money on Griezmann instead of Pogba. I personally wouldn't have paid 45m, forget 90m for him.

At Juve, initially, Pirlo was the play-maker who controlled the game and Vidal/Marchisio played as the box to box midfielders who did all the grunt work. Pogba had the most attacking role in their midfield; where he did his tricks and flicks, and got those assists and 'Pogbooms'. Then too he had a real lackadaisical manner about him on the pitch. You mentioned the word "careless" in your post, and that is exactly how he was. I have seen him play in Itay, in the CL and for France: I have noticed the same things about him for all three. He has a tendency to go missing for parts of the game, but also the ability to produce something spectacular. I am yet to see him produce a controlled midfield performances on a consistent basis.

The player he most reminds me of is Yaya Toure. A physical specimen with a good all around game and ability to produce the spectacular but not the vision or the passing to play a central midfielder. Nor does he have the industry of a Vidal or the desire of the Keane to become an eponymous box to box midfielder. Unfortunately, those discussions about whether he is 6,8,10,4,5,3 etc. will continue with regards to him. One game he'll be excellent as an eight and then in the next he'll appear a complete passenger. The same with any other position. I didn't cover my self and state that with time 'he'll start to dominate games', I said that over the course of the season he'll produce enough brilliant moments to make it irrelevant. A foot on the left against Stoke and a better Zidane header against Pool, and we would be marveling in his goal and assist, while the questions over his overall performance would have taken a backseat.

IMO, Jose has a very restrictive style of play where there is more dependence on individuals (the attacking players) to produce moments of brilliance, and Pogba fits the bill. That is why he bought him. He is that player who can produce those moments regularly; whether as a 10 with freedom in a 'park the bus' job or as an 8 against a parked bus.

"Iniesta", "Scholes", "Zidane","Keane", "Xavi" or "Viera" - these players were the absolute masters of their craft in their respective midfield positions over the last couple of decades. Any Young midfielder, especially one touted to be the best, will be compared to them. They set the benchmark, and others will be judged on them. Pogba also never hit the ground running at Juve; he was eased into a team with other world class options already present. Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio were/are as good midfielders as we have seen in the last decade. IIRC, he was also fined or warned during his initial Juve days because of being lazy in training or something.

You expect a 90m player to hit the ground running, but if he doesn't, you have to give them time. The other option is to bench them and then sell them at 75% of your purchase price in the next transfer window. The thing that is bizarre is expecting a player to play like a '90m' player, whatever that is, because your stupid CEO is interested in a dick measuring contest with the biggest clubs in the world. It's like expecting Fellaini to pass like Modric because they nearly cost the same.

It's funny that the 'second bit in bold didn't deserve a response', yet you wrote a whole essay about it. I'll stick to my guns that Pogba is not going to transform into a midfielder who'll consistently dominate games. However, if that happens, please feel free to quote me and I'll happily admit that I made a huge blunder in my assessment of his abilities.

Youre often was City's playmaker. He delivered some masterful assists and they always looked to give him the ball

 

[Adam-Utd]

People moaning that he didn't play well against Liverpool.

Erm, what attacker played well in the whole match? nobody. It was a very tight and tactical game, with little room for any attacker to impress. Pool's attackers did nothing but long range efforts.

Pogba did OK in the first half, but 2nd half was far too isolated. Whenever he did get the ball and tried to travel with it, he either got surrounded or fouled.

If everybody else played well and he was poor then I would be worried, but he played no differently than anybody else. No he's not an £89m player but anybody expecting him to be is stupid.

He's an athletic box to box player with a great shot and footwork.

 

[Raees]

Pogba has definitely got vision. his problem is does he have the consistency in terms of decision making to pull off the right pass time and time again.. the right through ball time and time again like a David silva for example or De Bruyne. Right now - absolutely not.

 

[kr0nix]

For me it's simple, Jose chose to play him at the most advanced position behind Ibra because he could do a better job defensively compared to Mata. To that end, any time we had possession it was essentially just the two of them with the license to get forward. Not many players could have done much better under those circumstances...

 

[NoLogo]

Pogba has definitely got vision. his problem is does he have the consistency in terms of decision making to pull off the right pass time and time again.. the right through ball time and time again like a David silva for example or De Bruyne. Right now - absolutely not.

It's simply a case of him not being used to the players that surround him and they have to get used to him. I feel you can see it often in his passes when the idea for the pass is actually good but there is no one making a run or the player runs into the opposite direction the pass goes. It's simply a matter of understanding between the players we currently have on the pitch and that will only come with time.

Let's play a midfield trio of Herrera - Pog and with Mata on top and let them develop a good understanding for each other and Mourinho's tactics.

 

[Raees]

It's simply a case of him not being used to the players that surround him and they have to get used to him. I feel you can see it often in his passes when the idea for the pass is actually good but there is no one making a run or the player runs into the opposite direction the pass goes. It's simply a matter of understanding between the players we currently have on the pitch and that will only come with time.

Let's play a midfield trio of Herrera - Pog and with Mata on top and let them develop a good understanding for each other and Mourinho's tactics.

Agree with the first paragraph, But he does sometimes lack the sensitivity in terms of knowing hmm this pass isn't going to get through because the player I want to pass to isn't in the right body shape to receive it or he is going to get tackled because he is too tightly marked. These are very small but key details which a top player needs to process before releasing the pass and for me in the EPL where these games can get very helter skelter, his decision making is too slow at this moment in time.

 

[DannyCAFC]

People complaining about those making excuses for him - what were you expecting, and do you actually disagree with these people?

Because clearly from what we've seen of Pogba the last 3/4 years, he's a much better player than the one he currently looks, so there simply has to be reasons for that.

Personally, I think it can be down to A) a tremendously long season last year with Juve getting far in cups, than the Euro's to the final with France, and then no pre-season and B) United simply as a whole are not playing well enough at the moment, still trying to find positions and roles for players and still trying to nail down some sort of identity.

He'll come good if United a whole can sort themselves out because they're a mess that very few players are going to be capable of picking up and sorting out individually.

 

[kafta]

Im not writing him off and happy to give him time. However, that does not mean one cant point out that he is underperforming vis a vis expectations.

Given you have watched him a lot before he arrived, why do you the k he is having these issues right now?

I think he adapted well to the 3-5-2 they play. Also, he was playing alongside world class midfielders, in a stable team. I think now that Jose is done with the Rooney experiment, we might start seeing a consistent 11, with pogba playing in his preferred role.

Finally, i don't think its being stated enough just how much football he's played this year. Once he gets back to his full fitness and adapts to the leauge, i think we will see the best of him.

 

[horsechoker]

Pogba is still an upgrade on what we've had and if Zlatan took his chances his assist stat would be deservedly higher as he's put in some great balls to him.

 

[pocco]

Pogba has definitely got vision. his problem is does he have the consistency in terms of decision making to pull off the right pass time and time again.. the right through ball time and time again like a David silva for example or De Bruyne. Right now - absolutely not.

He is not that sort of player at all. Honestly, if thats what people were expecting then prepare to be disappointed.

He doesn't have the guile or ability to find pockets of space in front of a crowded opposition area. This is why he is not a no.10 in the PL. What he does have is amazing vision and the ability to create those chances from a deeper position. Along with the ability to carry the ball if space presents itself and a decent defensive contribution.

He's still a youngster in terms of midfielders but he has so much talent to work with that it will be an absolute travesty on our part if he becomes anything short of world class.

 

[Raees]

He's still a youngster in terms of midfielders but he has so much talent to work with that it will be an absolute travesty on our part if he becomes anything short of world class.

Exactly. We have to basically make him a player and he's 23.. so we have no excuses, by 26 he should be a world class midfielder whatever position that may end up being.

 

[Adisa]

He will come good. Absolutely no doubt about it.
And i'm someone who wasn't too fussed about him.

 

[Stacks]

Pogba is still an upgrade on what we've had and if Zlatan took his chances his assist stat would be deservedly higher as he's put in some great balls to him.

That could be said of virtually any midfielder. If this striker had taken this chance or that, I would be on 15 assists. The trick is to be consistently creative and create shed loads of chances. Why did Ozil get 19 league assists last year? because he created 144 chances for Giroud and Co. Why does Silva get around 10 assists each year? Because he creates anywhere up to 90+ chances in a league season. It isn't about the odd bit of quality. Its a numbers game. The alternative is you dictate the game. For me the best midfielders will do either or. I must reiterate, he can still get on form and if the other players pull their weight, he will look far better. When the onus is on him, it doesn't look like he can hack it for France and United. For me, its vital that we get Miki fit and firing and of course Tony Marshall, so he can stretch teams.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He is not that sort of player at all. Honestly, if thats what people were expecting then prepare to be disappointed.

He doesn't have the guile or ability to find pockets of space in front of a crowded opposition area. This is why he is not a no.10 in the PL. What he does have is amazing vision and the ability to create those chances from a deeper position. Along with the ability to carry the ball if space presents itself and a decent defensive contribution.

He's still a youngster in terms of midfielders but he has so much talent to work with that it will be an absolute travesty on our part if he becomes anything short of world class.

The player himself takes no responsibility?

 

[criticalanalysis]

Usually when people try to gloat they keep it to the one thread they were right about something. Nice to see you've decided to boast in two threads.

You better hope I'm right then because all I want is the best for Utd. I will continue to defend players like Herrera and Pogba because it's obvious they have the skillset and can become massive players for us now that Rooney is out of the way.

 

[Footyislife]

Despite all his skill and talents he is lacking in his decision making. With his size, strength, technical ability, passing, and dribbling skills, it is shocking how often he tries to beat anywhere from 2-4 opposing players by himself. He should instead be linking up play or using off the ball movement to find space, and make late runs into the box to score. We need to surround him with players like Mata, Lingard, and Mhkitaryan who are all great at linking up play and finding space.

 

[kouroux]

Despite all his skill and talents he is lacking in his decision making. With his size, strength, technical ability, passing, and dribbling skills, it is shocking how often he tries to beat anywhere from 2-4 opposing players by himself. He should instead be linking up play or using off the ball movement to find space, and make late runs into the box to score. We need to surround him with players like Mata, Lingard, and Mhkitaryan who are all great at linking up play and finding space.

That is the biggest with him at the moment. Decision making in terms of when to dribble and when to simply pass it.

 

[bosnian_red]

Creating the odd chance while playing like crap for the majority of 90 mins isn't good enough. Rooney quite rightly receives pelters for doing the same. I expect much more than luxury highlights.

Long way to go before writing him off as another marquee failure at United. The talent is there, it's the decision making and work rate off the ball that isn't there at the moment.

Hes always been more of a highlights player then one who will run games for us, but the hope is that he will develop that more as he gets older and learn how to be decisive consistently and run games on occasion like how Gerrard and Lampard were in the past. But regardless of that, his individual performance levels cant drop to what they did against liverpool. That was bad even for current Rooney standards.

 

[Escobar]

He needs more time. People expected wonders too soon. But once we are settled, play well and win games, he will show his class and the the standout player to make things happen.
At Juve, he always had slow starts too btw. Took him a couple of months to get going

 

[LouisDanGaal]

You better hope I'm right then because all I want is the best for Utd. I will continue to defend players like Herrera and Pogba because it's obvious they have the skillset and can become massive players for us now that Rooney is out of the way.

You aren't taking up controversial opinions though, most people did rate Herrera, its just some turned last season because due to his lack of minutes he was never sharp, and he is the player in our squad who most relies on sharpness, he was playing bad but would always improve hugely after a run of games.

Pogba is the most expensive player in the world, when he starts playing well its not going to be hugely surprising.

 

[Stacks]

Despite all his skill and talents he is lacking in his decision making. With his size, strength, technical ability, passing, and dribbling skills, it is shocking how often he tries to beat anywhere from 2-4 opposing players by himself. He should instead be linking up play or using off the ball movement to find space, and make late runs into the box to score. We need to surround him with players like Mata, Lingard, and Mhkitaryan who are all great at linking up play and finding space.

I was analysing De Bruyne and comparing him to Pogba. from my perspective, De Bruyne relies on technical ability and the mental attributes. Pogba seems to rely on his technical ability and physical attributes but lacks much in the mental. In that regard, despite being 2 years apart, De Bruyne looks the more accomplished/experienced player and it just comes down to the mental attributes of the player. If I made them on FM I would have De Bruyne with higher rating on the mental column with Pogba higher on the physical

 

[RedPnutz]

Patience. Not everyone hits the ground running. It took Bale a while to get going at Madrid.

He will come good. Let's stop micro-Analysing every detail and sentence a player on a game-by-game basis. United paid the amount for a 5 years not for the first handful of games.

 

[RedFish]

Exactly. We have to basically make him a player and he's 23.. so we have no excuses, by 26 he should be a world class midfielder whatever position that may end up being.

He already is world class. He just hasn't shown it at Utd (yet).

 

[Raees]

He already is world class. He just hasn't shown it at Utd (yet).

He's really not. Way too many gaping holes in his game to be called world class.