People love to compare, I don't really understand it as you gain nothing from it, but Pogba has a very unusual style of play so comparisons aren't easy, the first place people like is country (viera) then team and come out with stuff like keane.
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People love to compare, I don't really understand it as you gain nothing from it, but Pogba has a very unusual style of play so comparisons aren't easy, the first place people like is country (viera) then team and come out with stuff like keane.
What's funny is how on forums 'so called' fans are always circling waiting for players to fail. I honestly don't get it. We sign a player young, talented and wanted by Real who normally beat us to all the best players, and we are still moaning. Let's give the lad a chance as we might not see the best of him till a couple of years....
In a completely different era.
I don't see your point.Despite being 2-0 down we had so much the better team and individuals in 1993
Naill Quinn played for City and so did Curle,Vonk,Kernaghan,Flitcroft.Mcmahon among other non entities
We had Cantona,Kanchelskis,Bruce and Pallister at CD,Ince,Hughes,Sharpe and Giggs at sub.
That team would have put up a better performance yesterday. Pogba wouldn't have been a certain starter in that side
My post was in response to Bwuk who said Roy Keane wasn't as good as Pogba when he was his age.
Niall Quinn scored two headers past the Great Dane in the first half in '93.... Hardly a non-entity, but I got your point about the overall quality of City then Vs now.
As I said, my point was in relation to the direct comparison with Pogba and Keane.
He needs to play in a midfield three.
If this guy flops, I'm done with getting excited over any transfer again. We're cursed.
Calm down, he will improve massively, new environment and tired legs
Too much talent to flop. He'll come good. He's still raw and can improve even more. Hardly the finished product.
A lot of people just didn't watch him at Juve. There were two things Pogba needed to become the best midfielder. One was being able to control the game through passing and the other was being an engine. Pogba as it is has vision, dribbling ability, can tackle (though not something you count on), can score goals, is physical, and is actually a good passer. The reason why I wanted him at United was due to his ability to contribute to the attack, which I think has been lacking the past few years.
Right now, some people expect him to be a Modric or Vidal. He doesn't necessarily have to be as good at controlling the game like Modric or be as good of an engine like Vidal to become the best midfielder. He is superior to them in aspects I have already described. He just needs to improve in one of those things.
This is why I think he works best in a midfield 3. You need someone to allow him to attack. He'll help the other midfielders with his tackling ability and passing, but he isn't the guy you rely on for those things. At Juve, they had Vidal and Pirlo to compliment him. He also helped them out. BTW, it's not really necessary to have a like for like in Pirlo and Vidal. Pirlo wasn't exactly that mobile at his age, but he had Vidal next to him. You can have a dm and a midfielder who excels in distributing the ball in place of those two as long as it frees up Pogba to contribute to the attack.
Fellaini has actually done well thus far in the season, but as time goes on you will start to see how he doesn't compliment Pogba. Fellaini is neither an engine, nor can he control the game through his passing.
Didn't look like anything special this weekend. Very ordinary performance.
Fact is, if Herrera had started every game Pogba has this season it wouldn't have made any difference. We need to play to Pogbas strengths, not ask him to play as a second Fellaini!
Fact is, if Herrera had started every game Pogba has this season it wouldn't have made any difference. We need to play to Pogbas strengths, not ask him to play as a second Fellaini!
I thought he had some very special moments on the ball and in a team which was balanced up front he'd have bagged some assists or recieved plaudits for being the driving force for us grabbing some goals.
He ran through them with ease and elegance.. Combined with brute power. His general playmaking out side of that was ok but obviously he was fighting a losing battle when the other team has both KDB and Silva controlling the game and both of them were unleashed to basically dominate possession whereas Pogba was having to sit deeper and focus on being more direct.
Where he deserve criticism is that he has bad positioning for a CM off the ball and games like this get away from him and he can look lost and overwhelmed.. Unable to change the flow of the game and break up the oppositions game. Which is why he's not a CM just yet and in games he definitely needs to be furthest forward in a 433.
Overall I was content with his performance as he did things in that game which were worth the hype but obviously he lacks some CM fundamentals and hopefully he can develop that but Jose needs to ensure he doesn't expose Pogba in big games. The lad can dominate these games if he is given the right platform to play on.
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He ran through them with ease and elegance.. Combined with brute power. His general playmaking out side of that was ok but obviously he was fighting a losing battle when the other team has both KDB and Silva controlling the game and both of them were unleashed to basically dominate possession whereas Pogba was having to sit deeper and focus on being more direct.
Where he deserve criticism is that he has bad positioning for a CM off the ball and games like this get away from him and he can look lost and overwhelmed.. Unable to change the flow of the game and break up the oppositions game. Which is why he's not a CM just yet and in games he definitely needs to be furthest forward in a 433.
Overall I was content with his performance as he did things in that game which were worth the hype but obviously he lacks some CM fundamentals and hopefully he can develop that but Jose needs to ensure he doesn't expose Pogba in big games. The lad can dominate these games if he is given the right platform to play on.
6.5/10
Would a midfield 3 of Herrera, Morgan and Pogba be a good combination?
Already too late for him to come good. He is crap, let's face it. Dreadful. Terrible.
I think it can be. Herrera has an engine. He will get stuck in and cover a lot of space. Herrera can be sloppy at times which brings his performances down, however much I like him as a United player. Morgan wasn't that good last season and is a bit of an unknown this season at least.
Yeah, would like to see how will Morgan work under Mourinho. Herrera can be sloppy at times but he has that grit about him that I like, he's really energetic, puts a defensive shift but works well in attack when asked to.
100 million wasted.
The lack of pre-season was always going to come back and haunt him. Got through debut on adrenaline but he's suffering now for not having the right preparation in the summer. Hopefully he'll respond to a presumably personalised conditioning regime over the next few weeks but it's a real pity we didn't get the deal done earlier and get him back from the US a couple of weeks earlier. The last thing he or United needs is a build up of negativity around him because he's not in as good shape as the players he's up against.
To be fair, even if we got the deal wrapped up earlier it wouldn't have made any difference to his preseason. He's on the same schedule the likes of Giroud and Payet are thanks to France making the final. All of them haven't had a proper preseason.
I'm really getting sick of this formation bollocks. Did people not watch the last 2 games? He's perfectly fine in a two in the CM with license to move forward. Asking him to be slightly retrained against one of the best teams in the league is not playing him out of position. It's not too much to ask for a #8 to play like a #8 once in a while. And even so he had the freedom to go forward and had a couple of class runs in the first half. Overall, we were just poor which pushed him deeper and he shares part of the blame for that.
Note the word ''if''.
Agreed, he needs to be let loose and be given more freedom to push on up the pitch.
I'd love to try a midfield three of Schneiderlin, Herrera and Pogba.
True. They've also both started the season badly.
Although Kante's started the season in fine form. Does anyone know if he came back to pre-season training any sooner?
My thoughts exactly.
Whatever. Even it's if at this stage it's still funny.
I agree.
It's just there's so much impatience all around. Already a panic if he'll flop. Of course it can happen but I think he's too good of a player to flop. Lack of preseason is hurting him but I think Jose will know how to use him or how much to use him.
In which position though is another matter.
He can be good in midfield 2 in smaller games but against stronger opposition he should be used in midfield 3.
Which is why I said I could never get excited about another transfer again. He's the last signing I would expect to flop.
It's Kante, every player is going to suffer from comparing their fitness to his.
Well he hasn't done that yet, and dropping him would improve the team. Time will have to tell.
Kante ran back from France and swam the channel. That was his pre season.
Pogba played 7 games at the Euros, Kante 4.
I agree with you, fellaini has been strong but we need someone in the middle to contribute in terms of tempo and just having a body in there. I would play Herrera from the start. He can't control the game on his own but is at the very least decisive in the pass. Fellaini to break it up, pass it to ander, and let Pogba get in to space to then be found to do something magical.
I don't know I might be biased but I do trust mourinho more than you, even though i'm a big fan of your use of italics.
According to Twitter, De Bruyne is a better player than Pogba now. Nevermind the fact both players are playing two completely different roles.
Flop, write him off and sell him to Real or whoever wants him after these completely terrible 180 minutes of football.
Incredible people are already moaning about players like Pogba.
Give him a chance for goodness sake.
Give him a chance for goodness sake.
Getting absolutely slated on MNF. Their criticisms make sense however it just highlights that Pogba would be so much better in a three as he isn't disciplined enough to play in a 2 against the top teams.
A lot are moaning about 70% of our team and the manager. I find it more odd that it's made out he can't play a midfield role, as it's all Fellaini's fault. Pogba was poor against City, certainly not the worst player on the pitch, but he certainly didn't put in any kind of performance you'd expect from a world class midfielder. Lad needs to step it up and people need to stop looking to blame others for his performances. He's a midfielder and should be more than able to play and cover numerous midfield roles, all this tosh about he needs to be in a midfield 3 where he's given a free role. He should be able to adapt his game to suit his expectations, not be given a free ride and become a luxury player. Most expensive player in the world and has a lot to prove. He's more than able, of that I have no doubt.
Would you sign Modric and play behind the striker? Sign Kanté and put him on the wing? Put Ronaldo on midfield?
If you spend £89m on a player, play him in his best position and just drop that fecking fat Scouse cnut.
If you spend £89m on a player, play him in his best position and just drop that fecking fat Scouse cnut.
He's not a holding midfielder and the only reason he's playing there is because Rooney is being shoehorned in.
Got a new formation up and Rooney wide right. It's a joke really
Got a new formation up and Rooney wide right. It's a joke really
Well that's a bit of a circular argument. Van Gaal has forgotten more about football than I will ever know but if I were to point out that putting Phil Jones on corners is seriously stupid, that wouldn't necessarily demean my point.
Likewise Rooney. I don't think he should be starting games for us at #10. I think Mourinho is getting it wrong. I also think playing Pogba in that deeper role is a bit of a waste given his performances in a different position while at Juventus. So, yeah.
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