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2016-17 Performances


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I think the 20m was conditional on Martial actually getting to Ballon d'or material IIRC. Look, £36m on a 19 year old was a silly fee too. He had a terrific first season but he hasn't been close to a £36m player this season. The fee is palatable though, because he's only 20 and has time on his side to reach levels he'd be likely hit.

If we look at Pogba, 5 years older and an abundance of talent, I find we have to adjust not only systems but personelle too in order go get the best out of him. And even then he's not as consistent as we'd like him to be. Again no real issue if he becomes one of the best number 10s in the world but I do think resources could have been better allocated to certain other talents for cheaper fees (e.g. Semundo, Tielemans together for a fraction of the fee and Mkhitaryan in the 10). Pogba came at a massive amount and I expect more of an immediate impact than he's made. You don't buy a 90m player solely for potential, surely.
He's only just a little less than 3yrs older tbf.
 
Yes he's been a bit crap recently, but when we break the transfer record again in the summer, and Pogba is 'just another player', then he'll be fantastic.

Fantastic player, and we're lucky to have him.
 
I'm sorry, I feel like I opened a can of worms here.
I'm happy to give the guy time. After getting my first season ticket when Moyes took over I'm just glad to be watching football that doesn't bore me to death for the first time in 3 years.
I was only going from what people I talk to at work etc. are saying. I can see the guy has a lot of talent, and there was a period this season where he was playing like one of the best midfielders in the world. Now he is back to being out of form and it's only natural that there are some fans watching who are disappointed that the most expensive player ever isn't running the show.
Naturally, the people on this forum are going to be the demographic willing to give players like Pogba time to show what he is capable of, but we aren't the only United fans. If the vote that I mentioned was given to every person who attended the Bournemouth game then I think you might be surprised by the result.
 
Ok fair enough.

And how much roughly would Aubameyang be?

(im not making any point about the relative value of Pogba at this point, I'm going off on a tangent thinking about how much we might spend this summer.)
 
He didn't have a preseason, just 10 days with the team and since then he played every games 90 min ( even with the french NT ). He signed 5 years + 1, not a few months too

And last season he played as LM/AM not DM or CM...he isn't and will never be Keane or Vieira and it isn't a bad thing...

If Pogba has cost so much, it's because he's a unique player ( with a huge potential ) in addition to being the Adidas poster boy.
 
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He didn't have a preseason, just 10 days with the team and since then he played every games 90 min ( even with the french NT ). He signed 5 years + 1, not a few months too

And last season he played as LM/AM not DM or CM...he
isn't and will never be Keane or Vieira and it isn't a bad thing...

What player would you say he is most like? And what role should he play?
 
What player would you say he is most like? And what role should he play?

There isn't really a player he looks like. It's like he has elements from several different players :
Ronaldinho, Zidane, Yaya Touré, Scholes ...


And his best role his as a false left winger behind 1-2 pacey strikers
 
There isn't really a player he looks like. It's like he has elements from several different players :
Ronaldinho, Zidane, Yaya Touré, Scholes ...


And his best role his as a false left winger behind 1-2 pacey strikers

thats fairly specific and unique unfortunately!
 
Pogba is an incredibly talented player but his game lacks maturity in both an attacking and defensive sense. His choice of pass in the final third is poor. Even when he chooses the right option he is often careless with very simple passes. He also lacks defensive discipline.

Saying all of that, he is one of the most talented footballers I have seen. His combination of skill, power, speed, shooting ability and creativity is incredible. Once he and his game matures he has all of the tools to be one of the best central midfield players in many years.

I really don't like the "for £89m he should be scoring 20 goals/20 assists a season" stuff. Or the price tag being touted as a reason why he needs to play in an advanced role. With Rooney finished United needed a new poster boy and the "Pogback" and "Reunited" stuff was all clearly geared towards making him the new face of the club. That's why Pogba was more valuable than another player for the same role and that's what the money was for.

I think Mourinho sees him as being a central midfield player (in a 2) long term and I agree with him. Playing him in advanced congested areas negates his athleticism.
 
He is young in terms of a "top level" CM tbh. Not many CM around 23 can do what we're asking of him at the highest level too. That is to be a CM but then still be our best chance creator and also be defensively savvy. All that in his first season at the club too.

I'm not even saying he will reach some great heights either, I'm just saying that we should be a little patient than trying to ruin him after 6 months just because of his fee.

He is still one of our chief chance creators not matter how "bad" we all think hes been this season.

But Yaya toure was only 23 when he moved to Barcelona was mature enough and wasnt any were near the most expensive transfer fee of that time.
 
But Yaya toure was only 23 when he moved to Barcelona was mature enough and wasnt any were near the most expensive transfer fee of that time.

Played in a midfield three with some of the best CMs in the world. Pogba doesn't have that luxury.
 
But Yaya toure was only 23 when he moved to Barcelona was mature enough and wasnt any were near the most expensive transfer fee of that time.

Because he had played in a UCL final before that move and won 4 league titiles.

He also didnt go in and be expected to lead the Barca midfield either
 
Also bullshit.

Bullshit ?

First leg against Bayern ( in the second leg he was just behind Morata in the SS position because Dybala was injuried ).

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Bullshit ?

First leg against Bayern ( in the second leg he was just behind Morata in the SS position because Dybala was injuried ).

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His best performance was in second leg and it was in midfield 3 left side.
 
Madrid refused point blank to pay that last summer, else he would have gone there ... Why would they offer that now given what they have seen of him this season?!

We are stuck with a shiny elephant whom we hope will improve into the midfield monster he supposedly is.
He is saying "if" not that they will
 
His best performance was in second leg and it was in midfield 3 left side.

It's wrong. He played in the SS position. That's why he scored the first goal..




------------------------Buffon----------------
Lichtsteiner---Barzagli---Bonucci---Evra
Cuadrado----Khedira----Hernanes--Sandro
------------------Morata-----Pogba----------------
 
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Hasn't performed to the levels expected but he'll get a pass from most supporters this season, however seriously needs to up his game next season or some big questions will be asked for sure.
 
Really hope he can up his game against Chelsea and give a great performance. He is yet to look anything but awful against the better teams who close down space quickly so I hope we see something different this time.
 
It'll be interesting to see him in a big game (Chelsea) without Ibrahimovic on the pitch, especially if Rashford plays up top, it might just open up a bit more space for Pogba to burst into.

And also, I think it'll be good for him to not have Zlatan to pass to, as I think at times his consistent dithering on the ball is because he's determined to find Zlatan.

It could really do him (and us) good, for him to start building some much needed on-pitch understanding with his other teammates.

If Pogba, Martial, Mkhi and Rashford could get onto the same wavelength, you really feel they'd be a nightmare for opposition defenses.
 
It'll be interesting to see him in a big game (Chelsea) without Ibrahimovic on the pitch, especially if Rashford plays up top, it might just open up a bit more space for Pogba to burst into.

And also, I think it'll be good for him to not have Zlatan to pass to, as I think at times his consistent dithering on the ball is because he's determined to find Zlatan.

It could really do him (and us) good, for him to start building some much needed on-pitch understanding with his other teammates.

If Pogba, Martial, Mkhi and Rashford could get onto the same wavelength, you really feel they'd be a nightmare for opposition defenses.

Pogba can't move the ball quick enough to be on the same wavelength as the players you mentioned. That's the problem. It doesn't look like that side of his game is improving either. I hope I am pleasantly surprised in the Chelsea game and we see a great performance from him and maybe having the likes of Rashford up to might give him Pogba the space to do his thing as you said.
 
He's had to adjust his game on a yearly basis cause coaches have regularly deemed him not good enough defensively to play properly in midfield. Play him in midfield, none of this playmaker nonsense and in time he'll flourish. IMO its easy to see as some of the things he can do from a deep position are borderline ridiculous. The passes, the shooting, driving through midfield. playing him further forward just causes him to play in spaces tighter than he should. We should imo play a 3 man midfield, so just buy a player whos more suited in that role(i.e Isco, Kovacic), and let Pogba continue with life in midfield.
 
This game will be the making of him at United.

We need a big performance but I won't hold my breath :(
 
Yet another big money signing, yet another "flop"

Said to my son the other day that i'd be dissapointed if we'd paid 50m, never mind £90m
 
I hate feeling pessimistic about Pogba, or any of our players, but I think he is going to shit the bed tonight.

Safe to say that horror show against Liverpool hasn't filled us with any confidence about his big match performances, but a good game tonight will change that.
 
Yet another big money signing, yet another "flop"

Said to my son the other day that i'd be dissapointed if we'd paid 50m, never mind £90m

What a great way to raise a young football fan. You should be proud of yourself.
 
Chelsea game is big for him, he better step up for once.

This game will be the making of him at United.

We need a big performance but I won't hold my breath :(
I am not expecting much from him in this game and am lowering my expectations for now. I think it would be best if we all did the same. He has a long contract so this one game will not make or break him.
 
by teaching his son that a player who cost close to £100 million pounds, would only be worth £50 million??? either way, its absurd that a athlete would cost this much
It was absurd when they were worth £1m. Who cares on the figure these days? NFL/Basketball/Baseball are all the same. You pay whats required, not what they're worth. I would rather have him in the team than money in the bank that's for sure.
 
What a great way to raise a young football fan. You should be proud of yourself.


Yep, saying we've overpaid on a player is certainly bad parenting.

Pathetic response Pexbo, thought you were better than that.

And fwiw, my son is almost 17, perfectly capable of forming his own opinions. Luckily he isnt homophobic/racist and is currently heading for College with 10 A-C's.....so i'd say he's doing ok "despite" my crap parenting.
 
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