I love him to bits as a player, but there have been instances this year where you count on the likes of him to stand up and be counted, where he hasn't really showed up. Today was one, Liverpool home was another.
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He cannot run the midfield, hes very much a Luxury player.
I fail to see the luxuries he brings, though. Missing easy chances, inconsistent long hopefull balls and above average playmaking ability isn't a luxury, he's becoming a big problem.
what was that all the long passes about ? constantly giving to no where ? Finally Mata had to drop deep and get things done ! probably not suited to a 2 man midfield.
Utter shit show 2nd half.
He should be shamed of that farce of a free kick. All ceremony, no product today.
Should have been hiked off for Herrera
He should be shamed of that farce of a free kick. All ceremony, no product today.
Should have been hiked off for Herrera
Talking about an overreaction. He still made 2 clear chances and was one of our better players in the first half, won us a penalty in the second and maybe should won us another one. Yeah, he completely lost it in those last 15-20 minutes, tried too much on his own and played in hoof mode for the large parts of the second half when we needed him to be calm on the ball and stretch their defence.
He is frustrating as hell for sure because although he has all the tools sometimes he overcomplicates things and even make basic mistakes. But ffs he is still young, this is his first season with us and he will get better because the talent is clearly there. Patience.
He is frustrating as hell for sure because although he has all the tools sometimes he overcomplicates things and even make basic mistakes. But ffs he is still young, this is his first season with us and he will get better because the talent is clearly there. Patience.
Please tell me he wasn't our MOTM candidate again?
Okay; He wasn't man of the match today
I'm not sure we had one?
Needs more discipline and less complex stuff
He's got 1% of the vote on here (Rojo's the current winner). Can't see that the United Twitter's done the usual "retweet this guy" vote.
You went galactico, now you'll pay the price. At times it can be extremely frustrating for a fan.
Luxury players hurt the team less if they are not picked over more important players to the team, like Herrera. If we play pogba carrick and herrera, then if pogba plays badly its not gonna kill us like it did today.
I've often defended him, as I do think a lot of it is down to the team. He would shine in a brilliant team like the Ronaldo/Rooney/Tevez one.
He does need to work on improving though. I hope he is. I don't know why, but I don't imagine him doing much work on it outside of the necessary training. Purely an assumption of course.
I actually think video analysis of his play would help him. That and finishing practice, every day.
He does need to work on improving though. I hope he is. I don't know why, but I don't imagine him doing much work on it outside of the necessary training. Purely an assumption of course.
I actually think video analysis of his play would help him. That and finishing practice, every day.
What do you disagree with in @Brwned's post? Doesn't the fact that Pogba has failed to live up to your expectations prove the point that they were unrealistic to begin with?
As already stated by others, Pogba was had a good 60 minutes but showed his immaturity with an emotionally charged last 30. Ibra was far worse consistently throughout the game. He's given a lot of leeway due to how reliant we are on his goals but nothing went well for him today and it cost us.
Not sure what happened to him today, first half he was OK but the second half it was like he forgot how to play football.
He is a caf darling and was an annoying cliche as Fergie's mistake who we should have bought back at any cost but I think people are kidding themselves if they are saying this guy is already world class and are thus paradoxically making concessions for his displays because of how glad they are that he is back here. Any other new signing in his position would never be allowed to get away with this much. We have a lot of big games that will decide our season between now and May and i sure hope he stands up more than he has so far for them.
I'd rather not go around the circles again as I've stated my opinion quite clearly in several posts before.
But I will say that 'Pogba failing to live up to expectations proves the point that expectations were unrealistic to begin with' is just about the most disingenuous and convoluted thing I've read in RedCafe's football forums. Its a common tactic used by @Brwned on this topic. You now too.
As for others playing worse than Pogba today, this is the Pogba thread meant for discussion about Pogba's performance.
Not sure if he's trying too hard or has zero faith in the players around him. Pogba is the most frustrating player to watch. He has this annoying habit of holding too the ball, walking with it, taking unnecessarily touches virtually killing counters for the opposition. He makes football more complicated than it needs to be. He needs to simplify his game pass and move, release the ball out of his feet early. Look to pass to players in front of their feet instead of always to feet.
Has a lot to do to convince me he is worth that fee. We obviously need to see how he develops next season. He has been good in patches but he bottled too many big moments whether it's a miss hit, bad shot or hitting the post or cross bar. Needs to convert and control the game but maybe he just isn't what we were looking for in a midfielder.
Maybe we're asking him to play in a role he isn't cut out for, he had more freedom and a better midfield, defense at Juve playing in the 4-3-3 (left midfield) less expectation on him to track back and sit.
For me he can't handle this two man midfield role, he doesn't have the discipline for it.
Has a lot to do to convince me he is worth that fee. We obviously need to see how he develops next season. He has been good in patches but he bottled too many big moments whether it's a miss hit, bad shot or hitting the post or cross bar. Needs to convert and control the game but maybe he just isn't what we were looking for in a midfielder.
Maybe we're asking him to play in a role he isn't cut out for, he had more freedom and a better midfield, defense at Juve playing in the 4-3-3 (left midfield) less expectation on him to track back and sit.
For me he can't handle this two man midfield role, he doesn't have the discipline for it.
For a 90 mn pound midfielder, even if he is young this does come across as rather kind and somewhat undeservedly condescending tbh. I hardly think Pogba criticisms are disingenuous or knee-jerk considering his United-again career so far.
What was your scouse mate's opinion?
If Zlatan does get banned it will mean Pogba will have to vary his game-far too many times he looks for the killer ball to Zlatan-absolutely stunning when it works but I would love to see him playing first time balls for Rashford and Martial.
He's a fraud, drop him.for the next big match. He wont deliver anyway.
His misses in the 90th were shocking. But for some reason, I had a feeling he'd somehow not score.
He frustrates a lot.
He frustrates a lot.
He thinks Pogba is super talented and has the tools to be best midfield in EPL and says he should comfortably be better than Hendo but right now he's shocking and was key reason why we lost and that Zlatan is doing fine.. whereas I argued it was more Zlatan why we lost today.
He also thinks Pogba should play more LAM and not as a DLP.. says he dillies dallies too much on the ball when playing deep and has time on his hands. Further up he plays more instinctively and quicker.
Me personally I think Pogba is fine moving between both positions while he is developing and tactically it suits us to keep him moving between both positions depending on who we play but it is his own decision making and mentality which is a problem.
He goes to pieces under pressure and needs more controlled aggression in the way he operates when games are tight. He starts panicking and hides it with uber aggression in terms of pressing and over hitting killer passes.. when he needs to be calm and authoritative.
I think it will come. I see him less as a hindrance more as a flawed talent who will eventually take that quantum leap and be a decisive and consistent match winner. I am hoping he doesn't remain a bottle job under pressure and that it is just part of the development curve.
Today in the first half, I think he was good.. you can't ask for more than what he was doing as a midfielder - we were dominant and creating chances, there is nothing more a midfield can do other than that.
Defensively we were poor and up front we were shocking but midfield was fine for 60 minutes. But then the frustration started to affect the midfield as well and passes started to go astray.
Think if he was having the season he's having for one of your rivals you guys here would be slating him like mad and calling him massively overrated and overhyped. Seems to need everything around him to be perfect in order to perform at his best.
Quite a few of us are.
Yeah I think we all did. Even a blind man could see the players panicking, it was terrible.
And you yourself are being slated for it. It's like Gerrard was for Liverpool fans. Even if he's subpar, anyone who criticizes him is called a bedwetter or worse.
His season? One of the best players in the league but should have a bit more impact in the final third. Though he'd have 3 times as many assists if Zlatan was a particularly good finisher
Along with Ander, makes a similar amount of passes with the same accuracy as Michael Carrick in his best season doing that.
Don't think he's been one of the best players in the league this season. Off the top of my head I can think of quite a few who have been much better.
I just think I was expecting way more of him even in his first season. For the fee you guys paid and the hype that surrounded him I was thinking I'd see a dominant player. He's looked miles from that.
He isnt really one of tbe best players in the league, he's been poor in almost every tough match.
Pointless critisism is unproductive. He's here to stay and any rational person can see there's a good player in there.
The discussion should be how to sort him out and what Mourinho needs to do to get the best out of him.
The discussion should be how to sort him out and what Mourinho needs to do to get the best out of him.
play him in his best position like at Juventus?
Today was really the first day where I was seriously pissed off with him, stop thinking you're that good you can walk around players in midfield, release the ball and stop getting caught on it.
Top draw players take the chances he's missing every week, he's gotta step it up in a big way. I'm sorry to say this isn't Seria A anymore, this league is none stop, we've got no walk over teams in our league.
Top draw players take the chances he's missing every week, he's gotta step it up in a big way. I'm sorry to say this isn't Seria A anymore, this league is none stop, we've got no walk over teams in our league.
Do we not?
Every one needs to read this tomorrow when they have calmed the eff down.
No juve have him full license to roam with little defensive responsibilities just left of the striker I believe
We've tried him at no 10 and he is less effective than others like Mata and Mhki.
In the spirit of @LuisNaniencia, serious constructive question: should we get rid of our other no 10s so Pogba can play there?
I probably saw 90% of his games at Juventus and all his games for the French NT 'cos he's a media darling here....
And in those 100+games I can't remember one time when I said to myself ' We've got to sign him....He's the answer....He's our future '
In fact, he had as many shit games at Juve as he had great ones....Ask Juve fans and they'll tell you that he was usually just average and underwhelming given the hype he encourages and seeks for himself.
What we've seen so far is not a million miles from what Juve fans saw for three years - an occasional flash of genius in an ocean of mediocrity.
Thats all I hoped for too!
You wont get a reasonable response from his fans as they are too invested in previously held opinions to feel they can reassess.
If you disagree all you'll get is a ridicule of your footballing analysis, unjustified hyperbole, extenuating circumstances or promises of jam tomorrow.
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