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2016-17 Performances

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51
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9
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That pass reminded me of Veron's scissor volley throughball to Ruud in the Champions League years ago.
 
cyberman said:
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Pogba has quicker feet and his long passes actually have a chance of finding their target.
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If they're the only difference you can point out then thats surely an admission that you can see the similarities!

But yeah, I think they're very similar certainly in terms of their negative traits. Pogba's stronger and taller obviously but I think most of his issues are issues that Gerrard had too: trying to do too much, pointless dwelling on the ball, pointless long range passes and shots when all they need to do is move the ball on simply, and a tendency to do far more than needed. I also think we're having the same issues with Pogba not really being a natural fit in any one position as Liverpool had with Gerrard.

Its no coincidence for me that by far Pogba's best moment of the game came when he moved the ball on first time. Hopefully it is just a symptom of him trying to live up to his price-tag and he'll gradually grow out of it.
 
Good assist but ffs someone needs to pull him aside and tell him, "bro, we get it, you're strong but pass the fekin ball will ya'".
 
clarkydaz said:
he does it every game
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And if anyone in the team is allowed to get away with it, it's him. I am pretty sure, except for some fans over here, no one has a go at him for attempting outrageous long shots. Not his teammates and surely not his coach. He actually end up scoring worldies so I see no reason why he cannot take half a dozen shots if teams are sitting back and our give and go passes are not working or are being cut down.

I will be furious if Fellaini or Rooney or Mata did it. But Pogba has every right to try and attempt a shot from any part of the pitch as long as he is not about to miss out on passing to an unmarked player in a better position.
 
NinjaFletch said:
If they're the only difference you can point out then thats surely an admission that you can see the similarities!

But yeah, I think they're very similar certainly in terms of their negative traits. Pogba's stronger and taller obviously but I think most of his issues are issues that Gerrard had too: trying to do too much, pointless dwelling on the ball, pointless long range passes and shots when all they need to do is move the ball on simply, and a tendency to do far more than needed. I also think we're having the same issues with Pogba not really being a natural fit in any one position as Liverpool had with Gerrard.

Its no coincidence for me that by far Pogba's best moment of the game came when he moved the ball on first time. Hopefully it is just a symptom of him trying to live up to his price-tag and he'll gradually grow out of it.
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But Pogba has the most passes completed in the final third of any cm in Europe, he's always at or near the top of the list in pass completions in any given game. He simply doesn't give the ball away that often.
If he keeps the ball any longer then he's basically Xavi. Pogba being able to do something different is part of the reason we bought him, he has to be given the license to try
 
Vaibhav Raj said:
And if anyone in the team is allowed to get away with it, it's him. I am pretty sure, except for some fans over here, no one has a go at him for attempting outrageous long shots. Not his teammates and surely not his coach. He actually end up scoring worldies so I see no reason why he cannot take half a dozen shots if teams are sitting back and our give and go passes are not working or are being cut down.

I will be furious if Fellaini or Rooney or Mata did it. But Pogba has every right to try and attempt a shot from any part of the pitch as long as he is not about to miss out on passing to an unmarked player in a better position.
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if you are happy watching half a dozen shots fly in the stands every game fair play. if they were close to the target then fair enough, but they sail into the stand. there is a time when a long shot is on, and there is just shooting for the sake of it breaking down attacking play
 
cyberman said:
But Pogba has the most passes completed in the final third of any cm in Europe, he's always at or near the top of the list in pass completions in any given game. He simply doesn't give the ball away that often.
If he keeps the ball any longer then he's basically Xavi. Pogba being able to do something different is part of the reason we bought him, he has to be given the license to try
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I'm not being funny, and call me daft, but I'm not sure what the relevance of what you've just posted is to what I said. What are you disagreeing with with this and what do you think I've said thats challenged by these stats?
 
Some of the whining are stupid. That's how it is with long shooters, some go off, in fact most go off because they're extremely difficult to execute.

This is how you see worldies, players don't have 100% success rate or even 70% with log shots. People have to start calming down a bit.

Going through the match say thread is quite excruciating for the simple fact people just want to have a moan.

God forbids any player misplacing a pass or doing something slightly wrong, people LOVE complaining for the slightest things.
 
Some must understand that Pogba doesn't try to prove something. It's his style of play, he'll never keep thing simpler.
The problem is that Mourinho can't get the best out of Pogba right now. So his spectacular game that makes his strength can be sometimes a weakness in an average squad.

Pogba is the last player to buy if you want a player that keep thing simpler.
 
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6,5 average rating? Really? I thought he was absolutely abysmal today. He kept giving the ball away at every opportunity, took forever to make a pass; he attempted numerous silly shots and his dribbling was erratic at best. His assist was beautiful, but overall that was much too poor.
 
He was really good in the second half, after Mickey's goal he gained confidence along with the rest of the team. his passes and backheels started to come off.
 
There is this stat where he was number 1 in shots but number 25 or something in goals for European midfielders last season.
So its like he has always been trigger happy but wayward.
 
Still frustrates the life out of me, yet is always involved with everything good we do.

Going to be a beast in a few years.
 
Rossa said:
6,5 average rating? Really? I thought he was absolutely abysmal today. He kept giving the ball away at every opportunity, took forever to make a pass; he attempted numerous silly shots and his dribbling was erratic at best. His assist was beautiful, but overall that was much too poor.
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It feels a bit picky but I'm going to press ahead. Long range shots often look silly when they don't hit the back of the net. The thing with Pogba is that the ball is going to burst the back of the net on many occasions for us in the future. He hits the ball with intention and isn't arsed about merely testing the goalkeeper. Some of them are bound to look a bit silly when they don't come off.

Plus, we haven't had players taking shots outside the box for years. It's a good thing.
 
clarkydaz said:
if you are happy watching half a dozen shots fly in the stands every game fair play. if they were close to the target then fair enough, but they sail into the stand. there is a time when a long shot is on, and there is just shooting for the sake of it breaking down attacking play
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Yeah, I mean, what the hell is the difference? The ball eithers hits the net, or it doesn't.
 
It must be frustrating playing as Paul Pogba. Because he's such a big player physically, he always gets manhandled and we rarely get a FK for it. He literally has to barge through players.

He'd be a hell of a player if he kept things simple once in a while. Needs to limit the Hollywood stuff to when it's required.
 
Rossa said:
He's indeed an exciting player to watch, but he is much too sloppy at times, like today.
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There's no denying he was sloppy today at times but the pitch wasn't helping at all. I still thought he was excellent considering a midfield 2 is a new position for him to adjust to. His link-up play with Herrera, Mkhi, Mata, etc is lovely to see.
 
Kag said:
It feels a bit picky but I'm going to press ahead. Long range shots often look silly when they don't hit the back of the net. The thing with Pogba is that the ball is going to burst the back of the net on many occasions for us in the future. He hits the ball with intention and isn't arsed about merely testing the goalkeeper. Some of them are bound to look a bit silly when they don't come off.

Plus, we haven't had players taking shots outside the box for years. It's a good thing.
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I love shots from outside the box, but from 35 yards on a rough pitch with the goalie perfectly positioned? That's just stupid. He has a few of those every match it seems. Encourage him to shoot by all means, but include decision making in the process. His dribbling is also amazing, but he needn't do it all the time when a simple pass is faster and more efficient in building the attack.
 
Yagami said:
There's no denying he was sloppy today at times but the pitch wasn't helping at all. I still thought he was excellent considering a midfield 2 is a new position for him to adjust to. His link-up play with Herrera, Mkhi, Mata, etc is lovely to see.
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He should recognize the pitch was poor and play accordingly. He has huge potential, but his decision making is way off at times; when he is on song he plays amazingly though.
 
Irrational. said:
It must be frustrating playing as Paul Pogba. Because he's such a big player physically, he always gets manhandled and we rarely get a FK for it. He literally has to barge through players.

He'd be a hell of a player if he kept things simple once in a while. Needs to limit the Hollywood stuff to when it's required.
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He's already a hell of a player, the hollywood stuff and all that's what makes him so special and unique. The problem is elsewhere !

He can be much better as he was with Juventus but it will not be by kept things simple. He'll be better when he'll be surrounded with better player.
 
Kag said:
It feels a bit picky but I'm going to press ahead. Long range shots often look silly when they don't hit the back of the net. The thing with Pogba is that the ball is going to burst the back of the net on many occasions for us in the future. He hits the ball with intention and isn't arsed about merely testing the goalkeeper. Some of them are bound to look a bit silly when they don't come off.

Plus, we haven't had players taking shots outside the box for years. It's a good thing.
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I think he just needs to get the balance right. I've got no problem with him taking on a long shot if there's nothing on or he's in space, or the balls bounced favourably for him and sat up nicely. What I do have a problem with is the, at least, 3 to 4 shots a game he take on when he has a team mate making a run, or he's in absolutely no position to hit it, or the angle is daft, or he's under pressure which inevitably go miles over the bar. Sure, he'll score 1 out of 50 of those and everyone will go nuts, but its not worth it.

Like everything with Pogba its just an issue of knowing when to try something and when not to.
 
Rossa said:
I love shots from outside the box, but from 35 yards on a rough pitch with the goalie perfectly positioned? That's just stupid. He has a few of those every match it seems. Encourage him to shoot by all means, but include decision making in the process. His dribbling is also amazing, but he needn't do it all the time when a simple pass is faster and more efficient in building the attack.
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You're right, it's unlikely. But I wouldn't want to put him off. Tonight was a tough game and we were struggling to get in behind their defence, so why not just have a pop? His decision making elsewhere needs to improve and he has this awful habit of killing attacks in an attempt to show that he's strong, but it is what it is. I enjoyed his second half performance.
 
Rossa said:
He should recognize the pitch was poor and play accordingly. He has huge potential, but his decision making is way off at times; when he is on song he plays amazingly though.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree then because I did think he played accordingly as he was a key reason as to why what could've been a tricky fixture for us ended up as a comfortable victory.
 
He was very good overall. In the first half he was the only one willing to take responsibility and try affect the game going forwards.
 
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