Pau Torres

sullydnl said:
Nah, he's class and being linked with both us and Real for very good reason.

He's just not as good an option as Varane. Particularly as even though I rate him I still think he'd need to adapt to the PL and add muscle, which takes time.

The caf just has a Lindelof obsession atm and sees everything through that lense. When in reality he has as much or more in common stylistically and in terms of potential with someone like Laporte, who he is more normally compared to outside of Man Utd forums.

Though if we were being linked to 23 year old Laporte now then I suppose people would be saying he's Lindelof 2.0 too, which shows how dodgy a comparison that can be as Laporte would obviously waltz into our team ahead of Lindelof.
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however currently he has the same defensive deficiencies as Lindelof. Leaving aside their ability on the ball. That is what needs addressed in this defence, solid defensive skills. I’m not sure we can wait around and wait for this guy to possibly add muscle or find out if his heading is better than Lindelof. They are just too close

with Laporte he was always good at the basics and good on the ball, even as a young lad
 
Got exposed this tournament as not good enough for United. He is lucky that the third CB is Garcia.
 
Exposed as not good enough in this tournament. As was Ruben Dias. And Bruno Fernandes. And Kylian Mbappe. And Harry Kane. Etc.

Meanwhile Jordan Pickford has presumably shown that he's world class with his excellent tournament, so we should sign him.

Or, judging players on the basis of an international tournament (for good or bad) always is and always has been stupid.
 
sullydnl said:
Exposed as not good enough in this tournament. As was Ruben Dias. And Bruno Fernandes. And Kylian Mbappe. And Harry Kane. Etc.

Meanwhile Jordan Pickford has presumably shown that he's world class with his excellent tournament, so we should sign him.

Or, judging players on the basis of an international tournament (for good or bad) always is and always has been stupid.
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agree with your general point but with Torres we know the weaknesses that have been exposed are there in his game
 
sullydnl said:
Exposed as not good enough in this tournament. As was Ruben Dias. And Bruno Fernandes. And Kylian Mbappe. And Harry Kane. Etc.

Meanwhile Jordan Pickford has presumably shown that he's world class with his excellent tournament, so we should sign him.

Or, judging players on the basis of an international tournament (for good or bad) always is and always has been stupid.
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Many players are good when they play for their clubs, in a special system, with the team mates they have etc. Watching them in their NT is a rare opportunity to watch them in another environment.
 
Personally think we'd be mad to sign him. If we can't get Varane and Pau is second choice I really reckon we are much better spending it on a DM

That said I'd rather a DM to play with Pogba over a CB anyway
 
CB is hard to get right. For that money you want someone who is a bit more sure to be an upgrade, for me he looks like just a left footed Lindelof who is taller but no better in the air. Not enough for me. Laporte looks far better of the 2 when paired together IMO and more of what we need anyway.
 
Isn't looking like value at €65m is he?
 
He's not having the best tournament, but that's circumstantial. He's still a good CB.

However he's not what we need, not for a starter anyway. He's left-footed and he prefers to play the LCB position to the point where the other left-footed CB for Spain (Laporte) has to play at RCB for him. That's not gonna happen at United cause LCB is nailed on by Maguire. You don't spend the purported money Villareal want for him, to play him out of position or have him as a squad option.
 
To think there's weirdos who prefer this Spanish Left Footed version of Lindelof over a proven serial winner like Varane:nervous:
 
He's not having a good tournament but that goal was Laporte's fault, not his.

Have no problem with people not wanting him because of concerns over his aerial ability, that's legitimate. But in general terms he's a quality defender who will inevitably end up at one of the top European sides. Judging him (or anyone) based on how they do in this tournament is silly. Aside from anything else, on that basis we wouldn't want Laporte either despite him obviously being a defender who would walk into our first 11.
 
MadMike said:
He's not having the best tournament, but that's circumstantial. He's still a good CB.

However he's not what we need, not for a starter anyway. He's left-footed and he prefers to play the LCB position to the point where the other left-footed CB for Spain (Laporte) has to play at RCB for him. That's not gonna happen at United cause LCB is nailed on by Maguire. You don't spend the purported money Villareal want for him, to play him out of position or have him as a squad option.
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If we signed Torres there is literally zero chance we'd be playing him at RCB and Maguire at LCB. Maguire might have played at LCB for most of his career but the natural left foot/right foot split is something teams actively value. Having it available only to play both CBs in roles that reduce their passing range would be braindead.

And I haven't seen anything to suggest Maguire wouldn't be comfortable switching to his more natural right side, as opposed to playing on the left when paired with (I assume) right-footers who are less comfortable there than him.
 
sullydnl said:
If we signed Torres there is literally zero chance we'd be playing him at RCB and Maguire at LCB. Maguire might have played at LCB for most of his career but the natural left foot/right foot split is something teams actively value. Having it available only to play both CBs in roles that reduce their passing range would be braindead.
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. That we could play Maguire at RCB and Torres at LCB if we signed him? Maguire is also left footed so how does that work. Or do you mean that he would be a sub for Maguire?
 
MadMike said:
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. That we could play Maguire at RCB and Torres at LCB if we signed him? Maguire is also left footed so how does that work. Or do you mean that he would be a sub for Maguire?
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Maguire's right footed
 
MadMike said:
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. That we could play Maguire at RCB and Torres at LCB if we signed him? Maguire is also left footed so how does that work. Or do you mean that he would be a sub for Maguire?
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Maguire is right-footed.
 
It is quite clear that the players who had long tiring last season are not at their best right now. Torres has shown his refinement and composure on the ball and heading ability in last two season. Anybody who thinks he is not good enough clearly has not seen him enough.
 
I might be overly harsh on him but still think he wouldn't be suited to our style. He probably will be really good in a possession based or a slightly defensive team.
 
His name puts me off. It's a bit like being called Stuar Enrique or Kevi Gonzalez.
 
I don’t care how old she is or how many penises have been inside her, I would still absolutely love to give one to Cheryl Cole
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I don’t care how old she is or how many penises have been inside her, I would still absolutely love to give one to Cheryl Cole
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Came in here to post exactly the same thing, just something about yer man Pau that puts Cheryl on my mind. Or maybe it’s all the penises
 
Jibbs said:
It is quite clear that the players who had long tiring last season are not at their best right now. Torres has shown his refinement and composure on the ball and heading ability in last two season. Anybody who thinks he is not good enough clearly has not seen him enough.
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Agree.

Though tbf, if their argument is that he's good enough but not the right fit for us or good enough but not as good as Varane then that's fine. I rate him highly but I'd opt for Varane over him as well.

If Varane doesn't work out and we end up with Torres, I think he'd be a success here. But he's a classic "needs to bulk up" player who would have to adapt to the PL, which wouldn't happen overnight. Whereas Varane is someone you'd expect to arrive ready-made.
 
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