He really hasn't.
Patrick Dorgu | Medical tomorrow
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
His first game back was a nightmare but hasn’t made any major errors since
His first game he got burned at one point but otherwise he was OK. I don't think he was a nightmare - and I think his performances since have been decent. He lacks creatively because he'll run into good positions and make average cutbacks that get cut out, or he'll start again and square it. But this is what Dorgu seems to do a lot anyway from those positions.
Malacia is neat and tidy, is a decent passer in build up but he has absolutely no attacking threat and its clear that Amorim's system needs its wing backs to contribute effectively to attack.
Also, isn't he Rashford's best pal. Might be trying to break up a clique.
Maybe its the physical aspect too, I think he's strong but short and the toll of going up and down as wing back is not the same as a left back. Going forward though, I genuinely want to see what Dorgu brings, because I honestly don't see much service orientated play feeding strikers from his videos. He can maraud forward really well and retains the ball nicely but in the final third he seems as lost as say, Dalot might be in either playing it square or having a blind pass into the box where the cross might be a bit average.
Here's a new example I found for Napoli last week - some really good bits, but also some bits where he's trying to make it up as hes dribbling along
That being said I think I should also remember he's playing for a relegation fighting team and as such his opportunities to show creative potential is stunted.
I mean ideally we'd sign someone who's already much better than both of them, but that's not happening in January, and if a player that good ends up moving in the summer then we'd probably be in a long queue where we'd have to throw silly wages to turn their head.
I'm not and expert, but Dorgu looks a better fit for both the EPL and what Amorim wants. He's impressed for over a season, for a shit team in a stronger league. Alvaro has looked good for the biggest club in Portugal. I'm sure he could play in the EPL, but I have my doubts it would be as a WB or to the level a lot of people on here would hope he could. He'd probably end up looking just as awkward as Mazraoui looks at WB. They seem like fairly similar FB profiles to me.
€40m-ish and low wages. If you have to move him on in a season or two you'd probably not struggle to get at least €20m for him. He might surprise us and end up being a great player, or at the very least a good option on both sides for the WB role, if not the eventual first choice starter.
Surely they would want a like for like replacement, loan for the rest of the season with Dorgu going the other way? Or does that make too much sense?
The bit at 0:36 where he twats it half a mile over the bar with his weak foot with maybe five Lecce players in better positions at least proves he'd be a great like-for-like Dalot replacement.
I'd imagine Malacia would prefer to seek his own options to go out on loan, maybe he'd be happy to go to Lecce though.
Not even sure that’s true, but okay.
Which means whatever he's showing now is what we're gonna get. Creatively we're not that great either so he'll probably do the same things with us
This is probably his 3rd tweet on this today, progressing news or recycling?
I assume he probably earns money for any tweet that receives engagement right?
Debut against Leicester in the cup then
The more I see of him, the less convinced I am. Dalot is a great athlete as well, but it's worthless if there's no end product.
And yes I know it'd allow Dalot on the right, but it's not like we looked great with an athlete on the left and a technically strong player on the right
And yes I know it'd allow Dalot on the right, but it's not like we looked great with an athlete on the left and a technically strong player on the right
Does anyone think this guy hits the ground running? We're scraping the barrel for this money - so i really hope it's not just rolling the dice again
Agreed. Plus, we will be due some much-needed ‘pure profit’ when and if Benfica sells him on to a third club in the future because we also have a sell-on clause.
We sure are going to have some short defenders, if this happens.
Lad’s 6’2”
It never sits right with me spending £30m + on fullbacks/wingbacks. I have no evidence for this but I feel like this position is one where good scouting will get you a similar player for much cheaper.
Maybe I’m showing myself up as not moving with the reality of fees now, but I feel like €40m type fees should get you a promising player for the spine of your team (CB,CM,CF)
Maybe I’m showing myself up as not moving with the reality of fees now, but I feel like €40m type fees should get you a promising player for the spine of your team (CB,CM,CF)
Not much, Musk is more stingy than Jim.
I’m not seeing anything in his games to suggest he brings anything new to our left side or is worth anything more than £15m TBH.
So, Mr McFred, how would you feel about €60m and €30m for a couple of CM’s that are not good enough to be the spine of our team?
(Warning: Tongue in cheek)Recycling with a sprinkling of progress. It's just how Fabrizio reports, he will tweet about any moves concerning big teams or players to keep the engagement there.
Feel like we are overpaying again. Would it be so bad to wait 6 months where we will have more options? If Wolves get relegated, Ait Nouri will be available. Would be my dream signing for that LWB position.
Well the window will be virtually closed after that Won’t it???
Sharp as a bowling ball Fab strikes again!
Kobbie would be in the bracket of promising young midfielder and apparently he is in the 100mil pound bracket.
Other teams may get a promising young player at a decent price but when the big boys come calling the price is jacked right up.
Eriksen comes on a late sub, passes a through ball behind the opposition full back for Dorgu to run onto, who plays a ball across the 6 yard box and boom Hojlund (is shockingly there) to score. Danish trio
Add Rashford or give them Malacia please.
The window closes on 4th February this year.Well the window will be virtually closed after that Won’t it???
Sharp as a bowling ball Fab strikes again!
Still hoping we go for Kerkez/Ait-Nouri as well in the summer because can't trust Shaw as LWB
I know this is ridiculous that I’m relying on YouTube to get my gauge of Dorgu, but wow… There seems to be not a single outstanding attribute.
He’s not particularly fast, he’s not a great ball progresser /dribbler, he’s not a great passer nor finisher, nor that technically gifted. I suppose he’s big and a decent tackler. And we’re getting that for 40m? I hope to hell I’m wrong, but does he look any better than Dalot or Maz?
By contrast, we have a buy option for Alvaro Carreras who is starting every match for Benfica. He’s got a bit of everything, pretty good dribbler, has some nice crossing and passing, can go around defenders, has some tricks in his bag. Decent finisher. For some reason, he reminds me of Gabriel Heinze. And the buy option is at like 20m. What am I missing here?
I just don’t see how a 20 yr old from Lecce for 40m is going to be PL ready and is going to turn our season around. Seems a bit of an expensive long shot
He’s not particularly fast, he’s not a great ball progresser /dribbler, he’s not a great passer nor finisher, nor that technically gifted. I suppose he’s big and a decent tackler. And we’re getting that for 40m? I hope to hell I’m wrong, but does he look any better than Dalot or Maz?
By contrast, we have a buy option for Alvaro Carreras who is starting every match for Benfica. He’s got a bit of everything, pretty good dribbler, has some nice crossing and passing, can go around defenders, has some tricks in his bag. Decent finisher. For some reason, he reminds me of Gabriel Heinze. And the buy option is at like 20m. What am I missing here?
I just don’t see how a 20 yr old from Lecce for 40m is going to be PL ready and is going to turn our season around. Seems a bit of an expensive long shot
The only thing Carreras is better at is dribbling. He is considerably slower than Dorgu and thus worse at tracking back. He is smaller and less athletic.
Dorgu has more tricks in his bag due to playing in more advanced positions too. He just doesn’t get to show them because he plays in a dogshite side.
Your main complain about Dorgu is that he doesn’t seem to have any outstanding attributes, and then moves on to call for another player with no outstanding attributes.
I get that the price then becomes the biggest difference between them. But I actually think the club prefers Dorgus physical attributes over Alvaros technical. We need someone who can run up and down that wing game in game out.
And if anything, his ability and tendency to carry the ball forward is often highlighted as something that differentiates him from other prospects.
That said, I’m not sold myself. But we obviously can’t pick players from a higher/more expensive shelf anymore, so I just hope the club knows the risk of paying big for a young player in a position we’re very weak covered in.