You can certainly see from the video why United purchased him at the time, despite a lot of fans thinking max Aaron’s was the next big thing. What happened to him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
You can certainly see from the video why United purchased him at the time, despite a lot of fans thinking max Aaron’s was the next big thing. What happened to him?
Surplus to requirements at Bournemouth
He looks far skinnier and more mobile here than he was with us. Why do players seem to bulk up and lose their agility at United. One of my many frustrations with our players development.
Have a feeling we are getting "Here we go" soon.
Balon d'or is an easy bonus for someone of this calibre right?
Welp, even if the fee is far too big for my tastes, I really hope he lives up to the billing and improves our play down the left. If Amorim thinks he's the right fit, then hopefully he knows how to unlock his potential.
Who knows how he will do, but certainly a risk to throw a 20 year old into the mix to try and transform our left side all by himself.
Don't think anyone reasonable is expecting him to do that.
I'm sure he'll improve us the same way pretty much any LWB would improve us. Better balance, let Dalot play on the right, save Amad from having to play RWB as often, etc.
But if you're buying a 20 year old at the start of a planned rebuild that will take several years, the expectation would be that even if all goes well you won't see the best of him for several years. And that he'll be surrounded by a lot of other new signings at that point.
Bring back the ed woodward clauses
Even if stats aren't great you have to think of players like a fit Luke Shaw and how we miss him, how he helps the team get forward and was a natural left foot fast player and helps linking up at the by line no matter if it's a back 4 or wing backs, it's a very important player to enable the team. Dorgu is also pretty good at cross field passes, and low balls and can go outside or inside, good with both feet so he can hurt teams whether he's sent inside or out by the defender. Physically he looks ready to step in the PL as fullback/winger, hence the cost and inquires before us
Must be said he's one part of the puzzle, hopefully we can have Maz and Dalot rotate more in RWB but if would help if we had a better striker. As bad as Hojlund is right now, if he can return to some form he may be helped with more combination play on the wings that can provide cut backs and other low balls in that he can score from, that was his game in Atalanta, he needs the ball in front, from the side or rolled in from an angle behind and then he'll finish like we've seen, he is not some target man technical Kane hold up player that can turn and shoot with heading ability.
Must be said he's one part of the puzzle, hopefully we can have Maz and Dalot rotate more in RWB but if would help if we had a better striker. As bad as Hojlund is right now, if he can return to some form he may be helped with more combination play on the wings that can provide cut backs and other low balls in that he can score from, that was his game in Atalanta, he needs the ball in front, from the side or rolled in from an angle behind and then he'll finish like we've seen, he is not some target man technical Kane hold up player that can turn and shoot with heading ability.
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€35m is just over £29m which isn’t terrible if he’s a high potential player at that age. Plus he seems physically very good and can play a number of positions including both LWB and RWB
For a club apparently forced to penny pinch, it's a terrible deal, no two ways about it. So let's hope he manages to make it worth our while, but I fear it may be a while before he develops to be an upgrade on Dalot
I really do think that's incredible money for the little experience he has, hope it turns out he's on very low wages and fit's right in.
He's the price of 3 Mazraoui's.
I hope he is able to play straight away. Spending this type of money I dont want to hear any excuses related to bedding in. We need players who can play immediately.
Fully agree. Sick of all the excuses
I hope Sir Jim can afford the Lecce bill.
£29.4m with £4.2m in bonuses?
Not as bad as I thought
Not as bad as I thought
Why?
The league season is effectively already dead, with some sort of mid-table finish inevitable regardless of who we sign. Cups are still there to be won, but those are very luck-dependent even at the best of times. The impact new signings bedding in straight away can make on the actual outcome of our season is marginal, regardless of who we sign.
And even if it wasn't, he's still a 20 year old kid moving to a new country. Demanding that he settle straight away is nonsensical. We're buying players for the next several years, not next several months. If he takes time to bed in then he takes time.
any word on what his salary is and will be?
i really hope we are capping his new salary at a max of his current salary +50%. Ultimately he needs to prove he's worth the big bucks over multiple seasons.
Didn't we give Anthony something like 5x his previous salary?
i really hope we are capping his new salary at a max of his current salary +50%. Ultimately he needs to prove he's worth the big bucks over multiple seasons.
Didn't we give Anthony something like 5x his previous salary?
We paid a similar amount for Amad after he'd played about 200mins of 1st team football for Atalanta.
EDIT: Realised the Amad fee was actually 50/50 guaranteed / add-ons.
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Amad looked much more talented than Dorgu. And we paid roughly half of what Dorgu will cost
I also think this especially given we've signed Diego Leon too.
AWB was pretty good at carrying the ball, no doubt, but that was the extent of his technical ability. In particular, he was awful about tracking back, he'd regularly be gently jogging while the opposition would break.
I don't know enough about Dorgu, but I've been saying for a while that we're in serious need of some real physicality, even if it's at the expense of some technical ability, to bring balance to the team. If he's got a lot of pace, and is fit enough to run the line up and down, then he'll help to patch our biggest weakness.
I'd argue that more importantly then the guaranteed transfer fee being £29m, £30m or £31m, is us not handing him a big fat contract straight away. If he doesn't succeed but he's on a fat contract, that will be the show-stopper for a decent resale in the future, not what we paid to purchase him. And just a £30k difference per/week in wages over 3 years absorbes a £4.5m extra in transfer fees.
I'm hoping that he will be somewhere in the £40-60k per/week region.
I'm hoping that he will be somewhere in the £40-60k per/week region.
For all the talk about penny pinching, we end up paying what they want in the first place. 40m Euro for a left back from a club that is currently 18th on Seria A.
If he’s a good player then what does that have to do with anything?For all the talk about penny pinching, we end up paying what they want in the first place. 40m Euro for a left back from a club that is currently 18th on Seria A.
Do you think small clubs should discount their players to big clubs? It’s also the last days of the January window. Fair play to them for sticking to their valuation.
Apologies, I misremembered what was guaranteed and what was in bonusses. Amad was about 50/50 whereas Dorgu will be about 80/20.
How long before we see the usual 'We need to buy X , Y , Z type player to play beside Dorgu to unlock his potential' etc etc.
Don't know much about the lad but along with ability I hope he has a strong belief in himself and the character to withstand the scrutiny that comes with playing at a club like Utd. Being a good player is not enough.
So INEOS are no better than Woodward
How so?
If it's below £30m that's probably the best we can hope for in January. I know he's played a few positions but I'm really hoping he's going to be prioritised as the LWB and left to make the position his own.
He will be the first signing specifically for the Amorim system and if they believe he has more potential for the role required than Alvaro, then so be it. We have scouted him intensively for at least a couple of months and we already know all about Alvaro. Dorgu looks a physical specimen in which we are lacking and which will suit Amorim's style. It may take a while to polish him into a Premier League player but at this point we have to try something different or continue to play Dalot at LWB. A position which certainly isn't his best and has to be improved upon.
Dalot at lwb is really quite shit. I would argue he would have to be quite bad to not ve an upgrade given he has a left foot
The guy doing the negotiations is Matt Hargreaves, who’s been here since before INEOS and managed to stick around.
Big difference there was that only half the fee was guaranteed - The rest was add on's.
Italian press appear to be reporting Lecce are going to get the fee they were always after, whilst British press are saying United positive that Lecce will concede on the fee slightly.
Appears a lot of money, but it is January and we are snookered - our desperation for a wing back is known in every corner of the world!
Appears a lot of money, but it is January and we are snookered - our desperation for a wing back is known in every corner of the world!
Yeah, I get that small clubs shouldn’t just roll over and give discounts to bigger clubs, and fair play to Lecce for holding their ground. But let’s not forget, this guy was bought for, what, 400k just two seasons ago? I know it’s a case of willing buyer, willing seller, but goddamn I’m pretty sure most of us had never even heard of this kid before, and now we’re paying 30 odd million for him. Whether we like it or not, people are gonna expect him to hit the ground running and basically transform the left side into what Amorim wants.
Silver lining, I guess he’ll probably be on the lower side of the wage bill, at least.
Crazy money