So the layoffs to our non-playing staff, the ending of paid ambassadors such as SAF is not an indicator we have no cash?
Patrick Dorgu | Medical today? No. Weekend.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
At least we know he's gonna be match fit.
One thing I'm scared about is that he looks better at RM than LWB. Though I only watch highlights.
Maybe that's because he is playing higher up in a more defensive team.
Maybe that's because he is playing higher up in a more defensive team.
£25m and £5m in difficult bonuses. Pretty good business if he doesn't turn out to be shit.
No, you fool. They spend well! Which we do not do. We want to be a better run football club who spend money that we as fans provide better than we have been. If its a world record fee or 100k it doesn't matter. It should all be considered and done with due diligence. We are just about the worst club in the world and certainly the PL when it comes to this for the last decade.
Besides football almost entirely works in a hierarchical structure. There are very few big transfers of star players between big clubs. You always shop at 'lesser' clubs. Just as Bayern do and Madrid do.
Madrid for one have become masters at signing players for free the penny pinching cheapskates. Rudiger, Mbappe, Camavinga and probably Trent soon enough.
Stop equating spending with being ambitious, stop equating spending with success. We've proved both aren't true.
He looks talented but also raw based on the clips. I can see the physical edge he appears to have in the clips making less of a difference in the PL at which point the development of his all round game is key.
On the profile of player, we have to accept our financial situation. I do feel we need sign 3-4 players of such a level that they make a transformative impact on the team but it also makes sense for that to be in other positions such as CF, AM, CM, GK etc So yeah, interested to see how this pans out but in the summer I think we need more immediately impressive signings.
On the profile of player, we have to accept our financial situation. I do feel we need sign 3-4 players of such a level that they make a transformative impact on the team but it also makes sense for that to be in other positions such as CF, AM, CM, GK etc So yeah, interested to see how this pans out but in the summer I think we need more immediately impressive signings.
I wish we would emulate Pep's method of building up the squad when he did at City (with a bit lesser money of course) - which was to buy first team and backup players for the same position at the same time to "fix" one position in the team at a time. I remember he bought lots of players at CB and full back levels and people were making fun of him.
I feel we did something similar when we got De Ligt, Yoro and Mazraoui in the same window - earlier we would have probably got 1 CB at a time and continue to face gaps. So I wish we get Dorgu in this window and get another 1 (or 2 depending on how Dalot is doing at RWB) again in the summer window. And then let them fight it out.
Edit: And if we got Dorgu, maybe in summer we can focus on a different profile player, perhaps an attacker turned WB, slightly more experienced, etc.
I feel we did something similar when we got De Ligt, Yoro and Mazraoui in the same window - earlier we would have probably got 1 CB at a time and continue to face gaps. So I wish we get Dorgu in this window and get another 1 (or 2 depending on how Dalot is doing at RWB) again in the summer window. And then let them fight it out.
Edit: And if we got Dorgu, maybe in summer we can focus on a different profile player, perhaps an attacker turned WB, slightly more experienced, etc.
I would assume a right winger would always have more highlight moments than a left back. Your actions as a left back are mostly supporting roles and being consistent with your decision making, being in the right positions with your runs (overlap/underlaps) and then the defensive side.
Dorgu has also played far more as a LB than a right winger, but good to know he is versatile.
I think the United negotiating team have done pretty well on this deal (30+5m euros)
Debut against palace?
Time will tell
Don't think it's a good price, but I think we got the best price Lecce was willing to accept. So they did their job well
You do know we sign 2 Left back this month.
Our management team could sure learn a heck of a lot from Brighton.
Look, it's pretty simple. With PSR we are not even allowed to spend more than our main competition (City, Pool, Arsenal, Chelsea). It's illegal essentially. So all this "back the manager"", "invest in the team!" stuff is a distraction. We're spending essentially as much as we're allowed to.
If everyone is spending the same, the team that spends most wisely will win long term. That's pretty much all there is to it. So overpays are a bad deal, pretty much always.
Depends on how good he is. Many felt VDB was a good deal too.
Same with every player in history, if they cost a world record amount or a free.
Some sourpusses want him to fail as us winning cuts off the Qataris. We need to keep losing to
justify sports-washing. Sad attitude, but there it is.
First thoughts when seeing highlights of his style and play is that he’s not a big talent, but then again I’m no scout. Hopefully he’ll make it here.
Players like him and Højlund requires patience and lots of games to develop.
Finally a bit more muscle on the wing. Hopefully he turns out to be Valencia prime reincarnate physically wise. With better end product. 
Hojlunds done. If you don’t have the basics then it’s game over. There’s players younger who can control a ball and hold it up.
I heard he's versatile?
Anyway good bit of bussiness this.
Anyway good bit of bussiness this.
Ok mate.
For what it's worth, unless Dorgu is VDB level, he's going to be an upgrade in LWB to basically anyone else we have. Shaw has gone AWOL, Dalot & Mazaroui are both much more natural in the right, Malacia is completely useless, Antony is gone and was never going to fit there and Amad/Garnacho will be wasted in that position. It's an area we need to desperately address, so spending 5-10m more for Dorgu is fine by me if he's been scouted & analyzed well enough. It's a fraction of the cost of the difference between finishing 8th and 15th in the league.
We paid around £25m before add-ons
Not really, it just means we aren't profligate anymore. Big Tech in the US are shedding workforce - is that a sign they have no cash? No - they are just streamlining.
Not so sure about this. He looks very good there. We need to make a decision in the summer. Either sign someone like Quenda or keep Amad there permanently.
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In January, fairly unique physical profile and can play LWB for £25m is a decent enough deal.
At least we finally will have a left footed LWB with the right profile for the role rather than shoehorning RBs there.
At least we finally will have a left footed LWB with the right profile for the role rather than shoehorning RBs there.
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In fact the deal structure is almost identical to Kadioglu from Brighton.
Low wages reported too should help massively here.
Low wages reported too should help massively here.
Do you watch a lot of Lecce?
Brighton have to cough up now and then too. They paid £40m for Rutter from a championship level club.
I would say it is mostly about what we want them to do. If we want Dorgu to be an attacking outlet from the left wing first and foremost, than it is probably not a bad player to get in. Big strong runner with decent top pace, hard to stop when he gets going, good left foot he can find team mates in the box with.
With Rasmus, it feels like we are currently asking the wrong things from him. Was he ever that good at dropping deeper and trap the ball with a 90kg rucksack on the back? His strengths seem quite similar to Dorgu when thinking about it.
Maybe Rasmus should be a wingback instead as well..
No. Does anyone on here?
Caliafori was a known quantity and established at the Euros though?
Following that logic, this chap is a known quantity too. A performer in Serie A, a Danish international and attacted interest from Napoli, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea etc.
This chap has played what, one season of football versus Caliaforis 4?
My logic of being established obviously isn't "do they play in a league"
I don't understand the complaints, first we spend too much on players who are average. Then we pay 50% of the price of an established LB (who would be 50m min) in January and still complaints of being expensive.
Then we have a lots of posters defending Hojlund and we should give him time because he's young, even though his fee was £80m
Dorgu can play multiple positions, has core ingredients to be a top player, and will not be as bad as Dalot or Mazraoui in that position. We paid much more for Yoro, not seeing many complaints there.
Who knew about Diallo when we signed him for £35m? Now no complaints. These type of signings bring down our wage structure not only now but in future, we have him on low enough wages that when it comes to contract renewal, it will still be a relatively cheap increase.
If Ruben wanted him, he fits what he wants to do, and I feel he will vastly improve in this system once he gets here. Can we just trust Ruben, with this and see?
Then we have a lots of posters defending Hojlund and we should give him time because he's young, even though his fee was £80m
Dorgu can play multiple positions, has core ingredients to be a top player, and will not be as bad as Dalot or Mazraoui in that position. We paid much more for Yoro, not seeing many complaints there.
Who knew about Diallo when we signed him for £35m? Now no complaints. These type of signings bring down our wage structure not only now but in future, we have him on low enough wages that when it comes to contract renewal, it will still be a relatively cheap increase.
If Ruben wanted him, he fits what he wants to do, and I feel he will vastly improve in this system once he gets here. Can we just trust Ruben, with this and see?
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Udogie and Kayode are the benchmarks at roughly 18m euros. So we are overpaying.
I dont personally think the difference is alot. But we need to be working on this deals in advance in future so the right fees are paid.
I dont personally think the difference is alot. But we need to be working on this deals in advance in future so the right fees are paid.
This is Dorgu's second season in Serie A. He's played as many games in Italy as Calafiori did. I'm not sure why these two players are being compared anyway. Calafiori was more expensive.
No - hence why it's ridiculous to have such an opinion.
Young players can control a football. Stop wishing it into existence, he's nowhere near good enough.
Disingenuous and childish arguing/derailing of threads
So becuase I dont watch Lecce I cant say that Kerkez, Ait-Nouiri, Antoinee Robinson, Nuno Mendes etc are better? OK. I didnt know Dorgue was that good. I stand corrected. He's a fkn bargain if thats true