Patrick Dorgu | Medical today? No. Weekend.

Just another example of penny pinching. He might turn out to be a decent player and anything is better than what we have at lb but he's not exactly the caliber of player we need right now. We act like Brighton and before everyone says yeah Brighton do well. Yes for a small club they are awesome but they finished 6th at the highest point and are usually what between 9th and11?. There are a million better LB's out there Kerkez, Ait-Nouiri, Antoinee Robinson, Nuno Mendes. Loads. And Im not having this we have no cash nonsense.
So the layoffs to our non-playing staff, the ending of paid ambassadors such as SAF is not an indicator we have no cash?
 
One thing I'm scared about is that he looks better at RM than LWB. Though I only watch highlights.

Maybe that's because he is playing higher up in a more defensive team.
 
Christ almighty. WE ARE NOT BOURNEMOUTH OR BRIGHTON! Im friggin sick and tired if this argument. Oh well Brighton get bargains lets do that well. Is that where we are now? Lets be Brighton? Oh how the world has fallen.we

No, you fool. They spend well! Which we do not do. We want to be a better run football club who spend money that we as fans provide better than we have been. If its a world record fee or 100k it doesn't matter. It should all be considered and done with due diligence. We are just about the worst club in the world and certainly the PL when it comes to this for the last decade.

Besides football almost entirely works in a hierarchical structure. There are very few big transfers of star players between big clubs. You always shop at 'lesser' clubs. Just as Bayern do and Madrid do.

Madrid for one have become masters at signing players for free the penny pinching cheapskates. Rudiger, Mbappe, Camavinga and probably Trent soon enough.

Stop equating spending with being ambitious, stop equating spending with success. We've proved both aren't true.
 
He looks talented but also raw based on the clips. I can see the physical edge he appears to have in the clips making less of a difference in the PL at which point the development of his all round game is key.

On the profile of player, we have to accept our financial situation. I do feel we need sign 3-4 players of such a level that they make a transformative impact on the team but it also makes sense for that to be in other positions such as CF, AM, CM, GK etc So yeah, interested to see how this pans out but in the summer I think we need more immediately impressive signings.
 
I wish we would emulate Pep's method of building up the squad when he did at City (with a bit lesser money of course) - which was to buy first team and backup players for the same position at the same time to "fix" one position in the team at a time. I remember he bought lots of players at CB and full back levels and people were making fun of him.

I feel we did something similar when we got De Ligt, Yoro and Mazraoui in the same window - earlier we would have probably got 1 CB at a time and continue to face gaps. So I wish we get Dorgu in this window and get another 1 (or 2 depending on how Dalot is doing at RWB) again in the summer window. And then let them fight it out.

Edit: And if we got Dorgu, maybe in summer we can focus on a different profile player, perhaps an attacker turned WB, slightly more experienced, etc.
 
One thing I'm scared about is that he looks better at RM than LWB. Though I only watch highlights.

Maybe that's because he is playing higher up in a more defensive team.
I would assume a right winger would always have more highlight moments than a left back. Your actions as a left back are mostly supporting roles and being consistent with your decision making, being in the right positions with your runs (overlap/underlaps) and then the defensive side.

Dorgu has also played far more as a LB than a right winger, but good to know he is versatile.
 
I wish we would emulate Pep's method of building up the squad when he did at City (with a bit lesser money of course) - which was to buy first team and backup players for the same position at the same time to "fix" one position in the team at a time. I remember he bought lots of players at CB and full back levels and people were making fun of him.

I feel we did something similar when we got De Ligt, Yoro and Mazraoui in the same window - earlier we would have probably got 1 CB at a time and continue to face gaps. So I wish we get Dorgu in this window and get another 1 (or 2 depending on how Dalot is doing at RWB) again in the summer window. And then let them fight it out.

Edit: And if we got Dorgu, maybe in summer we can focus on a different profile player, perhaps an attacker turned WB, slightly more experienced, etc.
You do know we sign 2 Left back this month.
 
Christ almighty. WE ARE NOT BOURNEMOUTH OR BRIGHTON! Im friggin sick and tired if this argument. Oh well Brighton get bargains lets do that well. Is that where we are now? Lets be Brighton? Oh how the world has fallen.
Our management team could sure learn a heck of a lot from Brighton.

Look, it's pretty simple. With PSR we are not even allowed to spend more than our main competition (City, Pool, Arsenal, Chelsea). It's illegal essentially. So all this "back the manager"", "invest in the team!" stuff is a distraction. We're spending essentially as much as we're allowed to.

If everyone is spending the same, the team that spends most wisely will win long term. That's pretty much all there is to it. So overpays are a bad deal, pretty much always.
 
Depends on how good he is. Many felt VDB was a good deal too.

Same with every player in history, if they cost a world record amount or a free.

Some sourpusses want him to fail as us winning cuts off the Qataris. We need to keep losing to
justify sports-washing. Sad attitude, but there it is.
 
I think the United negotiating team have done pretty well on this deal (30+5m euros)
First thoughts when seeing highlights of his style and play is that he’s not a big talent, but then again I’m no scout. Hopefully he’ll make it here.

Players like him and Højlund requires patience and lots of games to develop.
 
Finally a bit more muscle on the wing. Hopefully he turns out to be Valencia prime reincarnate physically wise. With better end product. :)
 
First thoughts when seeing highlights of his style and play is that he’s not a big talent, but then again I’m no scout. Hopefully he’ll make it here.

Players like him and Højlund requires patience and lots of games to develop.
Hojlunds done. If you don’t have the basics then it’s game over. There’s players younger who can control a ball and hold it up.
 
Just another example of penny pinching. He might turn out to be a decent player and anything is better than what we have at lb but he's not exactly the caliber of player we need right now. We act like Brighton and before everyone says yeah Brighton do well. Yes for a small club they are awesome but they finished 6th at the highest point and are usually what between 9th and11?. There are a million better LB's out there Kerkez, Ait-Nouiri, Antoinee Robinson, Nuno Mendes. Loads. And Im not having this we have no cash nonsense.
Ok mate.
 
Depends on how good he is. Many felt VDB was a good deal too.
For what it's worth, unless Dorgu is VDB level, he's going to be an upgrade in LWB to basically anyone else we have. Shaw has gone AWOL, Dalot & Mazaroui are both much more natural in the right, Malacia is completely useless, Antony is gone and was never going to fit there and Amad/Garnacho will be wasted in that position. It's an area we need to desperately address, so spending 5-10m more for Dorgu is fine by me if he's been scouted & analyzed well enough. It's a fraction of the cost of the difference between finishing 8th and 15th in the league.
 
So the layoffs to our non-playing staff, the ending of paid ambassadors such as SAF is not an indicator we have no cash?
Not really, it just means we aren't profligate anymore. Big Tech in the US are shedding workforce - is that a sign they have no cash? No - they are just streamlining.
 
In January, fairly unique physical profile and can play LWB for £25m is a decent enough deal.

At least we finally will have a left footed LWB with the right profile for the role rather than shoehorning RBs there.
 
In fact the deal structure is almost identical to Kadioglu from Brighton.

Low wages reported too should help massively here.
 
Just another example of penny pinching. He might turn out to be a decent player and anything is better than what we have at lb but he's not exactly the caliber of player we need right now. We act like Brighton and before everyone says yeah Brighton do well. Yes for a small club they are awesome but they finished 6th at the highest point and are usually what between 9th and11?. There are a million better LB's out there Kerkez, Ait-Nouiri, Antoinee Robinson, Nuno Mendes. Loads. And Im not having this we have no cash nonsense.
Do you watch a lot of Lecce?
 
Our management team could sure learn a heck of a lot from Brighton.

Look, it's pretty simple. With PSR we are not even allowed to spend more than our main competition (City, Pool, Arsenal, Chelsea). It's illegal essentially. So all this "back the manager"", "invest in the team!" stuff is a distraction. We're spending essentially as much as we're allowed to.

If everyone is spending the same, the team that spends most wisely will win long term. That's pretty much all there is to it. So overpays are a bad deal, pretty much always.

Brighton have to cough up now and then too. They paid £40m for Rutter from a championship level club.
 
First thoughts when seeing highlights of his style and play is that he’s not a big talent, but then again I’m no scout. Hopefully he’ll make it here.

Players like him and Højlund requires patience and lots of games to develop.
I would say it is mostly about what we want them to do. If we want Dorgu to be an attacking outlet from the left wing first and foremost, than it is probably not a bad player to get in. Big strong runner with decent top pace, hard to stop when he gets going, good left foot he can find team mates in the box with.
With Rasmus, it feels like we are currently asking the wrong things from him. Was he ever that good at dropping deeper and trap the ball with a 90kg rucksack on the back? His strengths seem quite similar to Dorgu when thinking about it.
Maybe Rasmus should be a wingback instead as well..
 
Your negativity is tiresome. You don’t know the first thing about the guy and you’re just trying to find any issue you can. If we were signing Califiore you’d be telling us he’s never done it in the PL and that we shouldn’t be offering so much to a small club like Bologna etc.
Caliafori was a known quantity and established at the Euros though?
 
Following that logic, this chap is a known quantity too. A performer in Serie A, a Danish international and attacted interest from Napoli, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea etc.
This chap has played what, one season of football versus Caliaforis 4?

My logic of being established obviously isn't "do they play in a league"
 
I don't understand the complaints, first we spend too much on players who are average. Then we pay 50% of the price of an established LB (who would be 50m min) in January and still complaints of being expensive.

Then we have a lots of posters defending Hojlund and we should give him time because he's young, even though his fee was £80m

Dorgu can play multiple positions, has core ingredients to be a top player, and will not be as bad as Dalot or Mazraoui in that position. We paid much more for Yoro, not seeing many complaints there.

Who knew about Diallo when we signed him for £35m? Now no complaints. These type of signings bring down our wage structure not only now but in future, we have him on low enough wages that when it comes to contract renewal, it will still be a relatively cheap increase.

If Ruben wanted him, he fits what he wants to do, and I feel he will vastly improve in this system once he gets here. Can we just trust Ruben, with this and see?
 
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Udogie and Kayode are the benchmarks at roughly 18m euros. So we are overpaying.

I dont personally think the difference is alot. But we need to be working on this deals in advance in future so the right fees are paid.
 
This chap has played what, one season of football versus Caliaforis 4?

My logic of being established obviously isn't "do they play in a league"
This is Dorgu's second season in Serie A. He's played as many games in Italy as Calafiori did. I'm not sure why these two players are being compared anyway. Calafiori was more expensive.
 
First thoughts when seeing highlights of his style and play is that he’s not a big talent, but then again I’m no scout. Hopefully he’ll make it here.

Players like him and Højlund requires patience and lots of games to develop.
Young players can control a football. Stop wishing it into existence, he's nowhere near good enough.
 
Disingenuous and childish arguing/derailing of threads
No - hence why it's ridiculous to have such an opinion.
So becuase I dont watch Lecce I cant say that Kerkez, Ait-Nouiri, Antoinee Robinson, Nuno Mendes etc are better? OK. I didnt know Dorgue was that good. I stand corrected. He's a fkn bargain if thats true