Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances

[Zumbi]

I'm fine with Dorgu, we were desperate for a left back. But I don't think he'll ever be a standout there which is fine. My general point was that he also wasn't that cheap and it was still a pretty expensive transfer for just an average talent. Evra and Vidic were cheap signings who hit the jackpot and turned world class.

How effective he can become as a player of course can change, but he's not going to become Marcelo or anything. He can be a solid all rounder, I don't think there's anything at all to his game that suggests he can be more than that. Somewhere between Dalot and Wan Bissaka, just hopefully the good versions of them and not the bad.


My bad, €35m after add ons.

That was twenty years ago. I don’t think you appreciate how inflated football transfer fees are nowadays. There’s barely any difference between Dorgu and Evra’s cost when you adjust for inflation, with Evra actually costing more in real terms. When you use a football transfer fee inflation calculator, Evra’s fee today comes out to about €36 million.

 

[SungSam7]

Not sure what the point of writing off a teenage player will do when we haven't seen him play with players who fit the profile Amorim wants. At the end of the day, Amorims tactics is based on a team based system and not on individual brilliance. Just look at Firminio, not an outstanding player, but in the Klopp system, he looked like he belonged at Anfield. Outside of that, he was average at best for other clubs.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Dorgu hadn’t really shown anything significantly impressive throughout his entire (albeit short) career, his games for United aren’t the only ones in his professional career.

I don’t want to sound like a Dorgu hater, I think he’s a decent signing for the money (and our situation), but the point is, if he becomes a CL-level (well, PL top-4) player it’s going to be a massive surprise, not an expectation. With Vidić and Evra, those were players that had proven a lot in their pre-United career and were considered top prospects, that’s why United went for them. Using them as an argument is pointless as their situation was completely different.

Again, that’s not my point. Let’s not judge players after 3-4 games.

That’s all.

Nothing more to read into it, citing Vidic and Evra is not meant as a direct comparison of players.

 

[Tallis]

Dorgu hadn’t really shown anything significantly impressive throughout his entire (albeit short) career, his games for United aren’t the only ones in his professional career.

I don’t want to sound like a Dorgu hater, I think he’s a decent signing for the money (and our situation), but the point is, if he becomes a CL-level (well, PL top-4) player it’s going to be a massive surprise, not an expectation. With Vidić and Evra, those were players that had proven a lot in their pre-United career and were considered top prospects, that’s why United went for them. Using them as an argument is pointless as their situation was completely different.

In Serie A this season, he had the following figures. These numbers indicate a very accomplished full back defensively and decent offensively.

On the Ball
Accurate Long Balls - 75%
Chances Created - 75%
Successful Dribbles - 82%
Touches in Opposition Box - 97%
Expected Goals - 100% (take it with a pinch of salt as small sample size)

Off the Ball
Tackes Won - 84%
Duels Won - 100%
Recoveries - 99%
Interceptions - 86%

 

[NZT-One]

Pep used Delph and Zinchenko there and Robertson is a far better player than either of them.

He'd have been fine.

Different skillset though. Thats my whole point. I are right, Robertson might have done just fine in a different role, we don't know. But there will be players out there, who are great bombing up and down a side using their speed to get away from opponents and hit a hard cross into the box but aren't as good moving infield and picking passes based on how the game flows and where spaces are opening. It is different skillsets.

This whole "good", "better", "bad" player thing is simplification of stuff that is legit when talking on a high level but when it comes to recruitment, players aren't just good or bad. They are a combination of physical attributes, mental attributes and a skillset. I think, Sancho is a great example to display this - in Dortmund he looked like a great player. Noone wouldn't look at him and say "potentially a bad player". But when he moved to United he stopped being a good player. How would that be possible? The skillset Sancho brought was best made use of in that Dortmund side, thats why he was so productive, looked so good. We bought players for that shit for way too long. Players that were good for their teams. But we never seem to understand what makes them good because had we done that, we might have saved ourselves a shitload of money.

 

[SER19]

Im surprised at the negativity. Im tentative about players having been burned so much but have seen enough to at least be hopeful he will contribute in a good system ie - a similar player on the right, a new number 10 and a new striker. There are moments he actually looks quite tidy on the ball so Im not sure where the sort of exaggerated 'technically limited' chat is coming from, hes only 20. And he's obviously the sort of physical player we need in that role - if you're not a powerful runner, that position is dead.

 

[JBG]

Im surprised at the negativity. Im tentative about players having been burned so much but have seen enough to at least be hopeful he will contribute in a good system ie - a similar player on the right, a new number 10 and a new striker. There are moments he actually looks quite tidy on the ball so Im not sure where the sort of exaggerated 'technically limited' chat is coming from, hes only 20. And he's obviously the sort of physical player we need in that role - if you're not a powerful runner, that position is dead.

I'm not... this forum, specially atm, is a cesspool of negativity. Even if we where fighting for top 6, people here would have something to complain about.

But I agree also with everything you have to say about Dorgu.

 

[J!!Z]

Im surprised at the negativity. Im tentative about players having been burned so much but have seen enough to at least be hopeful he will contribute in a good system ie - a similar player on the right, a new number 10 and a new striker. There are moments he actually looks quite tidy on the ball so Im not sure where the sort of exaggerated 'technically limited' chat is coming from, hes only 20. And he's obviously the sort of physical player we need in that role - if you're not a powerful runner, that position is dead.

Dorgu is actually the perfect WB for Amorim's system in that he is a powerful runner who knows how to carry the ball into the final third and who favours cutbacks over crossing. I just made a long post in the Manager thread and in it I stated that I won't be surprised if Amorim tries him the right again when he is properly settled in the team.

 

[VP89]

Dorgu is actually the perfect WB for Amorim's system in that he is a powerful runner who knows how to carry the ball into the final third and who favours cutbacks over crossing. I just made a long post in the Manager thread and in it I stated that I won't be surprised if Amorim tries him the right again when he is properly settled in the team.

Hes left footed and we are heavily linked to Quenda. I do not see Amorim taking a 343 approach and throwing the balance out the window with left footed RWBs.

 

[SER19]

Dorgu is actually the perfect WB for Amorim's system in that he is a powerful runner who knows how to carry the ball into the final third and who favours cutbacks over crossing. I just made a long post in the Manager thread and in it I stated that I won't be surprised if Amorim tries him the right again when he is properly settled in the team.

Yeah I agree. I think there are some players who we should expect to see as part of amorims starting xi come august, regardless of what happens in summer and dorgu is one of them. Its very hard to judge him coming into this mess and so early on (he has played FOUR matches).

 

[J!!Z]

Hes left footed and we are heavily linked to Quenda. I do not see Amorim taking a 343 approach and throwing the balance out the window with left footed RWBs.

The balance is already out the window because Pedro Leon is coming in the summer and one of our most highly rated academy players is a left footed attacking fullback. Also, Dorgu has alot of experience playing playing as a RW in his former club.

 

[VP89]

The balance is already out the window because Pedro Leon is coming in the summer and one of our most highly rated academy players is a left footed attacking fullback. Also, Dorgu has alot of experience playing playing as a RW in his former club.

He's played RW and LB, and Leon isn't coming in as a starter. Theres a better chance he gets loaned out in the summer. You generally have 2 options at LWB by the way, just because Leon is coming doesnt mean Dorgu isn't a LWB anymore.

 

[Zumbi]

Hes left footed and we are heavily linked to Quenda. I do not see Amorim taking a 343 approach and throwing the balance out the window with left footed RWBs.

Why not? That’s exactly how he set up at Sporting.

 

[VP89]

Why not? That’s exactly how he set up at Sporting.

He's probably buying Quenda who plays on the right anyway

 

[Zumbi]

He's probably buying Quenda who plays on the right anyway

And Quenda is left footed as well, which is my point. Why would you assume he’s not going to play a left footed RWB when he has a history of doing so, and we’re also heavily linked with a left footed RWB?

 

[Isotope]

Dorgu is actually the perfect WB for Amorim's system in that he is a powerful runner who knows how to carry the ball into the final third and who favours cutbacks over crossing. I just made a long post in the Manager thread and in it I stated that I won't be surprised if Amorim tries him the right again when he is properly settled in the team.

That's full BS!! Of course there are many better WB than Dorgu for Amorim's system.

 

[VP89]

And Quenda is left footed as well, which is my point. Why would you assume he’s not going to play a left footed RWB when he has a history of doing so, and we’re also heavily linked with a left footed RWB?

Might work for the case of Quenda who may be capable in that regard. I don't see Dorgu as the same.

 

[J!!Z]

That's full BS!! Of course there are many better WB than Dorgu for Amorim's system.

Did you even read what I typed?? I specifically described the profile of WB that Dorgu is - powerful ball carrier who favours dribbling and cutting back over crossing. That is the exact profile of WB that Amorim likes. What is BS about that??