And I think that’s a steaming pile of bullshit you’ve pulled straight out your ass because you don’t actually have a point to make unless you make things up.
Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances
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And I think that’s a steaming pile of bullshit you’ve pulled straight out your ass because you don’t actually have a point to make unless you make things up.
And I don’t give a shit what you think so stop talking shit.
Says the guy that makes things up.
Going to become a star
Haha if you say so buddy, again I don’t care what Zumbi thinks he thinks of me on Redcafe.
Go read the Garnacho thread if you have the time and stop being so butt hurt.
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I’ve read it and no one said what you’re claiming they said.
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Ok pal, if you say so.
And that's when a proper manager sends a rocket up Garnacho's ass about using the overlapping player. Didn't happen. Dorgo did not look particularly intriguing against Spurs. One thing a wingback is supposed to be good at is attacking and crossing, and he didn't do either. Maybe he's still getting his sea legs, hopefully.
He's very quick, strong, and fit, a combination of assets that we're sorely lacking in, so he could be a total donkey and still be useful to us.
Fortunately he looked quite accomplished on the ball too, played some really nice passes, I remember one cross that was poor but other than that he was a real positive on the left. His speed and fitness to keep overlapping will be very important in this system, if Garnacho hadn't selfishly ignored him all match he could have contributed even more.
Fortunately he looked quite accomplished on the ball too, played some really nice passes, I remember one cross that was poor but other than that he was a real positive on the left. His speed and fitness to keep overlapping will be very important in this system, if Garnacho hadn't selfishly ignored him all match he could have contributed even more.
There was definitely at least one great cross today which is more than we’re used to
He's decent. He's not gonna be a world class left back or anything, but I think he'll probably be like a Dalot level (not the dalot with rockbottom confidence mind you). Big plus having a left back at left back. Not really the type of player to carry the ball properly unfortunately, he looks super awkward trying to run with it. But he's a quick passer and has a good eye for a forward pass and seems solid defensively. Not really a wing back, more a normal left back.
That is a bit pessimistic. He has impressed so far, but needs to improve his technical ability. Still very young getting used to a new league.
Pessimism is all we have right now! But hopefully he becomes very good for us.
That'll be fixed soon enough.
So you've written his potential off after what, 2 games? He's been identified as a potential world class talent and that's been stated as much by the club. For you to say he's not gonna be world class, is very dismissive and highlights how quickly we write off our young players.
Plus, saying he's not one to carry the ball properly is a bit daft considering he's had some of the highest numbers in Europe for ball carries and offensive actions by a wing back/full back?
To be honest it doesn’t matter if individually he does become world class or even close, as a collective we are just terrible and we aren’t showing any signs of really changing that.
I don't think it's pessimistic, I rate dalot as a CL level right back when part of a functional set up. He's not a wing back, but a classic full back and think he's quite good when confident. So if Dorgu can turn into that we'd be very well set with fullbacks. Unfortunately we play with wing backs, and in this system they need to provide A TON of progression with their ball carrying. I don't think Dorgu is that type of player at all, and it's a quality that you'd see very quickly. In fact he seems less of a ball carrier/dribbler than Dalot is... So yeah. I think he'll have a good career here. Not sure about wing back.
If we can start identifying and recruiting the right talent then hopefully it'll start to come together. Unfortunately, we are right at the beginning of the process.
If he had a player on the left he could link up with he’d have looked much better today.
He was regularly in threatening positions high up the pitch but Garnacho was just doing his usual selfish bullshit for most of the game.
He was regularly in threatening positions high up the pitch but Garnacho was just doing his usual selfish bullshit for most of the game.
Not seen the game today, but there's no reason why the wing backs absolutely need to provide progressive ball carrying. Conventional expectations of being the primary - or even sole - contributor of width and penetration down their flank can be achieved with the much more ordinary ability and tendency/ willingness to offer aggressive off the ball running.
Hopefully yes, it has to at some point, that’s my view. It’s going to be a shit show until after the summer though.
I thought he did well. Good solid game - need to see more from him in an attacking context as he settles.
I am happy we bought a player who is strong, fast, physical and can play. Hopefully a good template for future purchases
I am happy we bought a player who is strong, fast, physical and can play. Hopefully a good template for future purchases
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He looked comfortable today. Looking forward to seeing more of him.
He should realise quickly that there's no point overlapping Garnacho, he'll never pass it to him.
He should realise quickly that there's no point overlapping Garnacho, he'll never pass it to him.
For that reason Garnacho shouldn't play and should be sold.
We need to play to a system, Garnacho is far too selfish. Rashford always did the same too
Dorgu ranks in the 84th percentile for progressive carries as a FB playing for Lecce, 96th percentile when compared to midfielders.
Demonstrably false that he's not that type of player.
He isn't selfish when he plays with an inverted fullback which Amorim has used plenty of times in his managerial career because it makes Garnacho move outwide as we have seen with Dalot.
When Garnacho plays narrow with an overlapping wing back Garnacho tries to become a more narrow forward and his gameplay becomes selfish.
Doesn't mean he is always a selfish player though, it's really dependent on how wide he plays and who he plays with.
Currently I wouldn't sell any player just because they don't fit Amorims system because for all we know Amorim won't fit us well either.
attempted so many overlaps and ignored for damn near every single one of them. must have been a frustrating experience for him
Eh, stats can show a lot of things. He was used in a lot of different positions. We'll see how he is here, but so far he's looked very awkward when trying to move with the ball at his feet and is more just a pass and move guy. Which isn't a huge problem, just it's a bit of a limitation which is fine. We don't need to pretend that every new signing is going to be world class. I'll take a solid player at a good age who stays fit and fits the needs of the team, and I think that'll be him.
Basically this. Looks like a solid acquisition so far. Kept running and making overlapping runs but not once did Garnacho use his overlapping runs. Very frustrating.
Yeah that was frustrating to watch especially when the captain would rather take a 35 yard shot (that ended up being shit and deflected) than put you through near the opposition goal.
He looks good so far though.
Well yeah I agree on that but at least its a start. With the team as horrendous as it is, we can't afford further limitations from playing players in wrong positions.
Just because he passes it sometimes to some players in some positions, does not mean he isn’t a selfish player.
We’ve seen it over and over again where he’ll take the selfish option over a passing option to the detriment of our attack, even when playing with an inverted WB. Not only is his end product not good enough for that, but it makes him predictable and easier to defend against, which makes our attack more predictable and easier to defend against. If he’d have made some of those passes go Dorgu today it would have made it easier to open up the defence when he did decide to go it alone, because the opposition defenders would have been guessing.
Overall he’s just a fairly low IQ player who often takes the wrong option. Maybe that’ll improve over time but I wouldn’t put money on it.
If anyone wants to actually know more about him before judging whether he’ll become world class or not, this is a good read
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cvg944z4v41o.amp
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cvg944z4v41o.amp
He looks like a very good prospect, unlike mentioned here, he can dribble and drive the ball. But I think that will come with time.
Gernacho needs a proper telling off for ignoring his overlaps, that's potentially a minimum goal or two opportunity if Dorgu took shots had he received the passes.
He looks good to me, I think he has more to show when the team is playing with more confidence. On the Dalot comparison, just based on what I've seen from them both (Dorgu much less), if you were looking for a good profile to play wingback both Dorgu and Dalot would fit that. Both have decent height for a fullback, good stamina, good on the ball, decent defensively, decent offensively.
While true its based on data where he was also playing as a right winger and attacker. He did it more when he played right wing as you'd expect
He looks OK, better than Malacia but not as explosive on the first impression as I thought. Maybe he needs time to bed in and the system to just click.
I think he has really good potential. Also looks a typical United player in that he gives the ball away too much trying fancy flicks in dangerous areas or when a simpler pass will do, but I think the lad can play! Plenty of time to work on the bits of his game that need polish and he looks like he has genuine all round ability. Pleased with the purchase so far, just need more like him.
Stats are separated based on what position he was playing in.
If you want to see how many progressive carries he makes when playing at full back you can look at that, If you want to see how many he makes as a winger you can.
My post specifically mentions how he ranks when he plays in various positions. His carry numbers when playing at full back are very good.
I'm not "pretending" that every new signing is going to be world class. In fact if you see my posting history you'd see I wasn't in favour of signing Dorgu for the price we were being quoted, I wanted us to sign Rayan from Wolves.
But facts are facts and the data we have available on Dorgu all shows his ball carrying is excellent.
Assuming you mean frbref
No. The comparisons are seperated like that. The data isnt
He has the same value for each field regardless of position because its data from all his performances regardless of position. You can see for yourself when you select each comparison the number on the left is the exact same.
Then using that 1 single number, its compared to other players data in each field. The data is always the same
So again, when he plays right wing and is given the ball to run at the defender he does it more often than when hes been picked at leftback.
This season
At AMR he's 0.9 successful and 1.7 unsuccessful of 2.7 attempts per 90 mins, at LB he's 0.5 successful and 1.2 unsuccessful of 1.7 attempts to dribble. He had 1 game as a wingback on the left for Lecce where he had 1 attempt with 0 successful and 1 unsuccessful
So not that impressive in either position but a few more attempts and a few more successes when he played right wing than at left back