Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances

Agree with you post, but to be fair he spent all his time on the right as a winger, not wingback, at Lecce whereas on the left he mostly played wb.

That said it is baffling how many posters who think they’re experts on everything and assume a highly regarded professional like Amorim must be totally incompetent. Guess the Dunning Kruger effect is strong in here.
From what I can tell he was playing fullback while on the left, not wingback.

An argument could be had that if Amorim wants the wingback to be more attacking focused rather than defensive, then his time at winger is more relevant than his time at fullback.
 
Why is it? Becuase it contradicts what the manager is saying /doing.

Various reasons actually, I will tell you them now:

1. If you research the manager, sporting played Quenda who is a left footed player on the right...
2. He wants to play Dorgu LWB, he came out saying its because he wanted to communicate with Dorgu during the game... he cant do that if the player is on the other side of the pitch..

Has he confirmed then that he wanted to talk to him through the game? I’m not convinced Dorgu even trained before the Leicester game.
 
Has he confirmed then that he wanted to talk to him through the game? I’m not convinced Dorgu even trained before the Leicester game.
He said something about him only having 3 sessions so being able to communicate with him helped, but also think he said that wasn’t the reason he played on the right (could be wrong on that bit)
 
What doesn’t quite tally for me with this is what if Leicester had won the toss and chosen to play toward the East Stand in the first half? Would Dorgu then have played LWB so the manager could talk to him?
 
This is all absolutely fine, but assuming he has been signed to be a RWB, why did we do this when we clearly needed someone for the LWB position. Especially when we have such a limited budget. I find it hard to believe Amorim has watched Dalot at LWB and though that position was covered, or it was less urgent than finding a new RWB.
I presume Dorgu was signed as someone who can play either side, rather than specifically the RWB. And for games when we are playing Amad at #10, then RWB is just as high a priority as LWB. Dalot hasn't really been any better when on the right, and Mazraoui has been worse again (and is now needed in the centre where he is much better).
 
Why is it? Becuase it contradicts what the manager is saying /doing.

Various reasons actually, I will tell you them now:

1. If you research the manager, sporting played Quenda who is a left footed player on the right...
2. He wants to play Dorgu LWB, he came out saying its because he wanted to communicate with Dorgu during the game... he cant do that if the player is on the other side of the pitch..
I dont have a problem with a left footer at right back as long as we aren't doing an odd fit on the other flank (which we did).

The manager will have his rationale but it was questionable pre kick off and looked quite odd after the game was played. I bet he won't persist with that.
 
I dont have a problem with a left footer at right back as long as we aren't doing an odd fit on the other flank (which we did).

The manager will have his rationale but it was questionable pre kick off and looked quite odd after the game was played. I bet he won't persist with that.
Wouldn't have thought so. Not for long at least as he obviously can't babysit him forever but doing it for a debut seems fine to me.
 
This is all absolutely fine, but assuming he has been signed to be a RWB, why did we do this when we clearly needed someone for the LWB position. Especially when we have such a limited budget. I find it hard to believe Amorim has watched Dalot at LWB and though that position was covered, or it was less urgent than finding a new RWB.

I presume Dorgu was signed as someone who can play either side, rather than specifically the RWB. And for games when we are playing Amad at #10, then RWB is just as high a priority as LWB. Dalot hasn't really been any better when on the right, and Mazraoui has been worse again (and is now needed in the centre where he is much better).
Yeah, that's what I was going to say as a response.

It's all stuff I'd mostly covered in the other posts - about Dorgu being able to play either side, and Dalot being pretty much as equally (in)effective on the right as the left as a WB, certainly when compared to the attacking threat of Amad (and now hopefully Dorgu) at WB.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of Dorgu at LWB as well, and hopefully with Amad at RWB as our best WB options - provided we can be strong in the #10 position without Amad there.
 
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Yeah, that's what I was going to say as a response.

It's all stuff I'd mostly covered in the other posts - about Dorgu being able to play either side, and Dalot being pretty much as equally (in)effective on the right as the left as a WB, certainly when compared to the attacking threat of Amad (and now hopefully Dorgu) at WB.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of Dorgu at LWB as well, and hopefully with Amad at RBB as our best WB options - provided we can be strong in the #10 position without Amad there.
Moorhouse should be introduced as our #10
 
I dont have a problem with a left footer at right back as long as we aren't doing an odd fit on the other flank (which we did).

The manager will have his rationale but it was questionable pre kick off and looked quite odd after the game was played. I bet he won't persist with that.

I doubt he will persist with it, he generally opts for left footed wing back on the left.

I am pretty certain he will play LWB and if he needs a RWB that is left footed he will utilise Amad.
 
What doesn’t quite tally for me with this is what if Leicester had won the toss and chosen to play toward the East Stand in the first half? Would Dorgu then have played LWB so the manager could talk to him?

In the press conference the idea he as playing close to Amorim was suggest by the journos first (not Amorim) from his response it was more of a generic answer saying no, Dorgu has played right and left, the fact Amorim was talking to him was just the usual coach/manager interaction.
 
How is it a couch manager mentality? Playing a left footed wingback on the right and a right footed wingback on the left makes you cut in far more than you want to, and forces play into congested areas.

This is what happened in the game too by the way.

When Dorgu played full back on the right, or right wing for Lecce they at least had a left footed LB on the other side. This is not the case at Untied which made us look quite dogmatic in how we play, again.
And I’m sure Amorim is aware of that.
 
In the press conference the idea he as playing close to Amorim was suggest by the journos first (not Amorim) from his response it was more of a generic answer saying no, Dorgu has played right and left, the fact Amorim was talking to him was just the usual coach/manager interaction.
Who knows what had been going on?

For all we know with the extra time that week Dalot might have been showing more in training and Rueben might have wanted to give him another shot there.

Amad and Dorgu might have looked like a good combination on the right.

We will always have an incomplete picture. It's not like he's had these players from the start of the season including preseason. He's still trying to work out what each player has to offer individually in a cauldron where all of them were playing within themselves.

Not defending him by the way. I was just as pissed as everyone else to see Dorgu on the right.
 
Don't think he's anywhere near good enough of a dribbler, passer and shooter to play inverted in the PL. Just play him on the left, will give him a lot more options. Not sure why Amorim needs to overcomplicate everything.