Time to move on. Great in his day and still a very good player but he still plays and thinks like he is 26. Will always be remembered but it's the right time to move on.
Patrice Evra | 2013/14 Performances
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That is very possibly true. I mean, when he comes out with this, it does seem rather odd as to why he said it without knowing the facts and rather being arrogant about it:
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We only have to look at the honours of Lizarazu to know that he was a great player:
French Division 2 winner with Bordeaux.
Intertoto Cup winner.
6 times Bundesliga champion with Bayern Munich.
4 times German cup winner.
5 German League cups.
1 Champions league and 1 Intercontinental cup in the same year.
World Cup 1998 winner and European Championship 2000 winner.
2 times Confederation Cup winner.
3 times best left-back in ligue 1.
4 times best left back in the Bundesliga.
1 time worlds best left-back.
I guess Evra does need to stop being arrogant and look up the facts before he starts to spout his bile. He has been a great servant for us, but his time has come to go away and play for Monaco.
It's becoming more and more clear Moyes wants the backs to push up and have the ability to cross. Does Fabio possess this ability as needed? Personally, I haven't seen him play enough to say so.
Evra has been going up to the attacking half well before Moyes came along though so, it is nothing new there.
Been an amazing player for us, and has still been good during the last year. Sad news.
I'll be absolutely gutted if Evra goes - great player, brilliant character and brings a wealth of experience to the dressing room.
He must currently be one of our longest serving players and I agree with those who are saying that he will only be truly appreciated by most people once he has moved on. He's still a fantastic left back and replacing him will be a huge task - I'm not convinced that Baines is the right player to do so and Luke Shaw is still arguably too young and inexperienced to simply come into the side and replace him.
Ideally, we should bring in both Shaw and an older, more experienced full back and allow them to share games for a few seasons. Keeping in mind that Evra rarely doesn't play and hardly ever gets injured, there is a lot of playing time to be filled up in his absence. Coentrao and Shaw might be a working solution - there may even be someone we haven't considered at all who could do the job - but I think Moyes will stick with what he knows and we'll end up with Baines either in January or the summer.
If Evra does leave, he'll be sorely missed.
He must currently be one of our longest serving players and I agree with those who are saying that he will only be truly appreciated by most people once he has moved on. He's still a fantastic left back and replacing him will be a huge task - I'm not convinced that Baines is the right player to do so and Luke Shaw is still arguably too young and inexperienced to simply come into the side and replace him.
Ideally, we should bring in both Shaw and an older, more experienced full back and allow them to share games for a few seasons. Keeping in mind that Evra rarely doesn't play and hardly ever gets injured, there is a lot of playing time to be filled up in his absence. Coentrao and Shaw might be a working solution - there may even be someone we haven't considered at all who could do the job - but I think Moyes will stick with what he knows and we'll end up with Baines either in January or the summer.
If Evra does leave, he'll be sorely missed.
27 or less was his prime and 30+ players need replacing soon anyway. Even if Evra stayed till retirement that could have been this summer or the next. Rooney asked to leave twice before his prime.
You talk as if we're Everton or something. We're the biggest club in the world (in the eyes of English players)
Considering the amount of shit he gets from the French press, I'm surprised he hasn't blown his top sooner. Also, I'm told that Lizarazu has been hyper critical of him in the past, but that seems to be fine because a) he's Lizarazu and b) he's criticising Evra...
I wouldn't necceserily call Evra arrogant outright - as I can sort of see where he's coming from. He's won a shit-ton of stuff, and was for a time one of, if not the worlds best left-back, yet he doesn't get half the credit he deserves from the French media.
What annoys me is not the fact that Evra did "spout his bile" like you said but more like he had his facts about the very cnutish and annoying Lizarazu wrong. I hate that guy as a pundit, one the most poumpous and arrogant ones out there, I'd have prefered Evra to attack him but with better arguments, he made it incredibly easy for Liza and other people to answer to him.
Or people in general, to be fair. He's gotten nothing like the credit his performances have deserved during his career with us.
The way we've been playing of late, he might be forgiven for thinking that.
I must admit, I didn't want to see Heinze leave and thought that Evra was a poor substitute, but he's proved people wrong. Been a great asset to the club and I for one will be sorry when he calls it quits. Can't comment on the French media's attacks on him because they seem to emanate from his relationship with the French national side and not United, and I know next to sweet FA about that.
In fact, credit to Bixente for not getting into an argument where he does state that he has won more than Evra. Yes, he may be pompous, but at least is humble and doesn't say 'I've won this, that and the other, and you haven't", because that is borderline childish in my book. Evra does seem to have history of rubbing people up the wrong way it seems, and he is a great footballer for us, but when you recall what happened after the chelsea match when he got involved with the groundsman, the story of him being the leader of the group of players who were on strike in the world cup, it does make you wonder what kind of person he is. If that had been Nasri, then we would have crucified him on here, but since it is Evra, it is ok because he is one of ours. Let us get some perspective on this at least and just take off the red tinted specs and say that this is not a Manchester United issue but a French issue, and should they not select him for the World Cup, then so be it.
Evra has always been like this, a proper "cnut" but he's our cnut and we love him. I don't mind, in fact I love players who aren't pussies behind the microphone and tell things like they see them, Evra's timing sucks balls though. If there was a moment of shutting up, it was now, why do this before the playoffs ? I'd have loved him to go totally ballistic after them, and specially if Ukraine won over the two legs. That would have been a proper way of retiring from international football
A few seem to think he has been singled out for rough treatment from the French media. However, this is not the case. After what he had done in the 2010 world cup, of course they are going to talk about him. However, there have been a few incidents with Nasri et al, and the French media have had a go at Nasri too. Evra seems to take things personally or he thinks he is the centre of the universe and is clearly an attention seeker. The last I heard, ever since the moment Nasri told the media to go and do one, he has kept his mouth shut and has done his job to the best of his ability and in time he will be selected again over time. That is what footballers should be like, that way no more fuel will be added to the fire. Sorry, but for me, Evra is attention seeking for some reason or other, as if he hasn't done enough damage to the French national team already. As Kouroux rightly stated, he should have done it after the play-offs, because it is up there with "Rafa's facts", as being the most stupid thing to ever do in a league/cup campaign. As mentioned, he is always the victim in all this and this time, there is no way he is the victim, but the perpetrator. He should shut his mouth and let his feet do the talking.
Evra has always been like this, a proper "cnut" but he's our cnut and we love him. I don't mind, in fact I love players who aren't pussies behind the microphone and tell things like they see them, Evra's timing sucks balls though. If there was a moment of shutting up, it was now, why do this before the playoffs ? I'd have loved him to go totally ballistic after them, and specially if Ukraine won over the two legs. That would have been a proper way of retiring from international football
I don't agree kouroux. If he is a "cnut", then it doesn't matter who he plays for. There is a time and place for everything and as you stated, perhaps after the playoffs or even the world cup (if he is selected of course), until then, he should shut it, because the only one who looks like an idiot in all this is Evra, since he cannot get his facts straight on one player. If you are going to criticise someone without looking like an idiot then, get your facts straight, and in this case, he didn't. The words "Egg", and "face", spring to my mind.
Let me know when you are done trashing the player we all seem to love except for you.
always loved Paddy but he's way past his best and 32 is a good age to m ove on.He goes with my blessing and good wishes and I'll remember him as a player who gave all for the shirt and came through a dirty smear campaign over Suarez with dignity.
He took a lot of criticism when he came first but he worked at his game and was only just behind Cole as the best LB in the league for a few seasons.
The revisionists on here also seem to forget he scored a good number of vital goals for us last season, and I couldn't give a flying feck about the French national side..he is a Utd player and that's all I care about
He took a lot of criticism when he came first but he worked at his game and was only just behind Cole as the best LB in the league for a few seasons.
The revisionists on here also seem to forget he scored a good number of vital goals for us last season, and I couldn't give a flying feck about the French national side..he is a Utd player and that's all I care about
How often does Ashley Young, David Moyes, Valencia, Rooney get trashed on here? You only have to look at the threads and you will find literally thousands of posts criticising the aforementioned people and you get your knickers in a twist because I stood up and decided to have a go at Evra. Perhaps that is how you speak to people, but I find it very disrespectful when someone who thinks he has won it all, criticising a player to whom he is not worthy of mentioning in the same breath. For me Bixente is a twat as a pundit, but he was a pivotal player in the French national team and Bayern Munich. As for loving a player, I don't "love", players like they are my idols. I like players and for me, whether you like it or not, I couldn't give a damn if a player moved on and was either successful or unsuccessful for their new club because Manchester United will always be bigger than any footballer, no matter who they are or what they have done. You can continue to criticise my posts...
How often does Ashley Young, David Moyes, Valencia, Rooney get trashed on here? You only have to look at the threads and you will find literally thousands of posts criticising the aforementioned people and you get your knickers in a twist because I stood up and decided to have a go at Evra. Perhaps that is how you speak to people, but I find it very disrespectful when someone who thinks he has won it all, criticising a player to whom he is not worthy of mentioning in the same breath. For me Bixente is a twat as a pundit, but he was a pivotal player in the French national team and Bayern Munich. As for loving a player, I don't "love", players like they are my idols. I like players and for me, whether you like it or not, I couldn't give a damn if a player moved on and was either successful or unsuccessful for their new club because Manchester United will always be bigger than any footballer, no matter who they are or what they have done. You can continue to criticise my posts...
Because we don't reall give a shit what he said about the French national side. Sad to be blunt but it's the truth. If he had disrespected an ex Utd player we may agree with you but he didn't. He said some shit about players we no connection to so get over it
1. If you read the account of what happened with the Chelsea groundsmen, Evra is hardly the cnut of that scenario.
2. As posted earlier in this thread, Lizarazu clearly spouted bollocks about not being in squads with Evra, when he actually was... so he's obviously not above being petty as you're saying.
Yes, I agree with you in principle Inigo, but it is football in general, whether it is the national team or not. As far as I'm concerned, there are quite a few French fans who are pissed off where I work and they explained their reasons for criticising a player. A great chance to go to the world cup could be totally undone by a criticism that was totally unwarranted. Sorry, if it had been Gerrard, Lampard or even Rooney criticising Trevor Brooking or Alan Shearer, then I would have said the same thing. Players should know how to act in public, yet it never fails to amaze me.
Wasn't this latest spat started when French pundits / journos attacked him for the half-time team-talk thing? Which for me was a totally needless and wrong attack - I can see why he's felt the need to speak out, albeit a little bit over-enthusiastically!
Well yeah, Evra got his facts wrong clearly. Can still see why he'd want to hit out at certain people within the French media. Just thought it was fair to show that Lizarazu is hardly above getting involved!
Eh? That's exactly what he did do!
It makes me think that he is a person who is very proud, and and will react massively to a perceived injustice. You can argue that it is better to be a bit more diplomatic, swallow your words and not rock the boat, but I see no evidence of him being a cnut about anything... just a bit too honest and emotional at times.
That isn't half the shit that Nasri got for attacking the media. He got crucified and got rightly banned for it. At the same time, Ribery is being investigated for having a goal at Houllier face to face in the changing room because Houllier said he is not world class and would not win you the Champions league like Messi or Ronaldo. Was Ribery correct in having a go at Houllier for that?
Where did Bixente say that he was 4 times best left back in the Bundesliga? Did he mention that he won the world cup or the European Championship in 2000? I don't think he did. In fact, I am pretty sure he didn't.
Oh shit, he wants to leave? Sad news. Maybe it's best to replace the LB soon before as he is declining, but sad to lose such a character. He does love the club, and he was at one point of the best in his position. Hope he goes out with a bang
Evra's a bit of a drama queen, but he's our drama queen & we love him for it
Why is he leaving?... One of my favorite players. His defensive work might have become a little bit worse the last seasons but he still gives everything for 90 minutes 40 + games each season and is a terrific character. He more than made up for the "points he cost us" according to the critics with the "points he won us" by adding a lot to his attacking contributions the last couple seasons. Huge loss if he leaves.
Paddy has spoken regarding wanting to leave. It doesn't really suggest he wants to leave or stay, but he sticks in bit of United love at the end.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ation-regarding-manchester-united-future.aspx
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ation-regarding-manchester-united-future.aspx
Hope he stays then. We have no one to replace him and he is an important source of experience for the youngsters at the club. Hes also a very good player still.
So now we're back to saying we don't want Baines.
So now we're back to saying we don't want Baines.
Don't most want Shaw instead?
Not too sure about that. I would personally love Coentrao, but the meaning behind my post was that a few said it made sense for us to sign Baines last summer because of what Evra apparently said.
I'd definitely have Coentrao... especially as he'd probably be half the price of what Southampton demand for Shaw.
Oh yeah. I think Shaw will become a better left back. His ability to get himself out of tight spaces is really good, but with the style that we want, I think Coentrao would suit us better than him and Baines. Ultimately, I'd love it if Fabío was awarded more of a chance, as he has the profile I like, but Moyes hasn't given him a fair chance.
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