So lazy. Just looks like he can't be arsed tracking back.
Patrice Evra | 2012/13 Performances
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Neville was spot on with him on MNF on Sky Sports.
His positional play for the last chance of Cluj - that was terrible. DDG saved his ass there.
Büttner needs to play instead of him, he's becoming a liability
Have to agree, Buttner needs to be given a chance.
Fletcher was screaming at him to push to the left and cover that right winger.Evra was just slow to get there and it never cost the team
The annoying thing is that he often looks like he can do it and he can defend, but he just can't be bothered putting in the effort. I'm not one for kneejerk changes for a statement of intent, but honestly, it might not be a bad idea to drop him and give Buttner a run of games. He's become so complacent in recent years and needs to be woken up.
Should be dropped asap
Every fecking diagonal ball that cluj played on Evra's side found their man, every fecking time they crosses succesfully after that.
Imagine if Rafa made a mistake as glaring as that - the CAF would be apoplectic, this thread would be straining the ship!
Can't balme him for the defending, he had no one infront of him tracking back, thats the problem with narrow systems
Making an effort to actually get back might have helped.Would it be too much of a risk throwing Buttner in for Newcastle away? Would he be up against Ben Arfa, or would Ben Arfa be on Rafael's side?
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They had one striker up front and Rio and Evans were on him, yet Evra decided to help out them out instead of getting tight on the man down the wing. It was awful defending.
Judging by the Spurs game, I don't think he would.
That wasn't the problem. If he was tight to him, he'd be basically leaving a huge gap between him and Evans for the wide man to exploit, which would be incredibly shit. What he didn't do though was judge it correctly, so that he could make it out to the wide man in time to put in a decent challenge. We can't expect Evra to cut out the pass, but he should have been ready to face him up once he recieved it. So it was poor defending, but not because he wasn't tight.
That pass for their first goal was sublime, so unless you want Evra to stay on top of their winger, you can't really blame him for their great play. Evans was poor for that goal and DDG wasn't great either, but to blame Evra is a bit simple, imo.
He was no where freaking near him! I don't mean that he should be clinging to his butt checks but he should be in a position where he can get tight before he gets the cross in.
I'm one of Evra's biggest defenders on here, but he was terrible for the first goal. For some bizarre reason, he shifted himself 2/3 yards to the right right before the pass came in... which meant he had more ground to cover to close the man down, and ultimately he didn't get there. Evra should have been either a few yards over, or a few yards deeper so that he could get across in time once the ball moves out wide, but his initial positioning was poor so he was unable to do so.
Evans marking in the box of course leaves a lot to be desired. Not much DDG could do, so I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at him.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying too... by the way you originally phrased it, I thought you meant be really tight on him (which someone also said he should be doing in the matchday thread)... which of course would be terrible positioning, as they guy would then only have to make a run inside and we'd be fecked!
But yes, he needs to be a few yards across or a few yards deeper so he can at least put in a challenge.
He seems to get caught "under the ball" an awful lot. And it's not a new thing. I know he's asked to get up the pitch and help out our attack, but if he's incapable of getting back properly anymore then someone needs to drop in or shift across and cover the area he's vacated a bit more.
Someone made the point on the MD thread that he has been getting away with that for ages because Vidic, Rio and VDS used to save the day for him.
He tried to cut the ball off, decided he couldn't get their then moved down the line to try and cut off the cross but failed, he was at fault but the centre backs between them should have also sorted the marking on the centre back out.
I wasn't just talking that incident though, when you play a narrow midfield although you are always vulrable to quick breaks down the flank, there isn't a natural man to cover movement outside and thats why we were getting done.
Nah, DDG didn't make a mistake per se, but he could've saved it - don't use your legs in that kind of situation.
Imo, Evra shouldn't stay any wider than he did. It was a perfect cross and an excellent touch to take it past Evra with great speed - I doubt any fullback could do anything with it.
Evra was poor for that goal. As was mentioned on the ITV coverage, he should have been in a position to get across to the winger. Or he should have stood off a yard or two so that he could get back. As it was all he did was step up - I presume in the hope that he'd intercept it - and thus took himself out of the game. The winger didn't even have to rely on his movement to get there. But it was a lovely pass and then touch from the winger to get himself in.
How many times did macro Pierre white try to foul him?
The Uruguayan? He was after everyone. He had a go at van Persie and Anderson as well.
agreed.
Watching his post-match interview on MUTV, he was asked about Rooney and RVP together and he went on a bit of a tangent talking about people getting excited by new players but that they shouldn't forget the players that have been there before and done so much for the club.
Wonder if he himself is feeling the pressure?
Wonder if he himself is feeling the pressure?
I liked him but it is clear that he has become a liability in last, well last 2 years. Giving Buttner a run of games IMO wouldn't be a good idea. It will be interested to see tat if Fabio comes back next season, will that mean that Evra will be out.
He's become very lazy in his defending. Not even wanting to prevent crosses from coming in, like for their goal.
Unfortunately it's becoming more common to see him amble into shot as someone plays a critical ball or gets off a shot these days.
Come on Patrice..
Come on Patrice..
Clearly nopt able any more - had good "recover pace" a few years ago and it frequently got him out of trouble. No longer has it, and looks consistently very poor as a result.
He's done as a top left back - simple as that. Buttner will be in before long.
He recovered well to get back for the first goal yesterday but then did nothing to challenge the cross from the Cluj player. It was a very lazy piece of defending.
I would not like him to start in the Newcastle game. Buttman is a bit of a sending off worry with his over-enthusiasm but I would still give him a shot ahead of Evra.
He should have closed down the winger much better yesterday, didnt get back fast enough.
Buttner would probably be a decent short term solution to see if a run of games out of the team would give Evra a kick up the arse, but if that didn't work then we seriously need to look at buying a proper, established left back. I'm all for giving Evra plenty of chances, but he's been poor for so long now that we can't really afford to let it continue.
Not only did he not anticipate the cross-field pass, you would expect that even when the Cluj player had reached the area, that Evra would have bust his gut to at least lunge for a chance to block the cut back. Instead he just loped back with total disinterest.
And he was captain last night, right?
And he was captain last night, right?
Thats a problem with the entire team. we seem to be willing to let the ball come in because our CBs will deal with it. Irritates the feck out of me when people dont charge down crosses.
Who plays on the right side at Newcastle ? If Ben Arfa is put there (he plays more centrally these days) then it really could help get ugly for Evra.He's the type of players he has no chance of stopping, a skilful player with pace running at you
The thing that I'm puzzled about is this keeps happening, why haven't we picked him up on it?. Seems as though he gets away with every mistake.
Yeah, I noticed a few times last night he struggled to get back into position. Whether that's down to laziness or he's lost pace, I don't know.
Buttner needs a good run of games IMO.
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