Patrice Evra | 2012/13 Performances

[#07]

Lost his head completely in the second half and caught the bad passing virus. The moment where Rooney threw him the ball and he couldn't return it to him from 5 yards with a first time cushion summed up his second half. Crud.

 

[Sam]

Watch the second goal again, and just watch Evra. While Rameires is tearing past him into the area, Evra just strolls on back as if he hadn't a care in the world.

Pathetic.

 

[Godfather]

Is he doing it on purpose? The jogging back after giving away the ball resulting into dangerous counter attacks from the opponents? Disgraceful performance from him.

 

[Amar__]

He is doing that for whole season, but somehow we haven't conceeded goal after his laziness.

btw, I thought he was excellent in first half.

 

[Hellboy]

At fault for their second goal, didn't seem bothered. Weird.

 

[Stobzilla]

He is doing that for whole season, but somehow we haven't conceeded goal after his laziness.

btw, I thought he was excellent in first half.

More than just this season, watch Mexico Vs France 2010 World Cup, he just saunters back and he has been doing it since then for us as well? It is a joke.

 

[Amar__]

More than just this season, watch Mexico Vs France 2010 World Cup, he just saunters back and he has been doing it since then for us as well? It is a joke.

I said that couple of times, and people are finally noticing it. I highlighted 3 similar situations in our game against City earlier this season, and people accused me for being to negative on him.

 

[Ash_G]

I think in general he has picked up and going forward he's got better even disregarding his goals. But I think his main problem is that he tends to watch things develop and then react rather than anticipate it and take steps to stop/reduce the impact.

 

[Brophs]

Fergie made a comment about how our full backs were knackered today. That tells you how poorly the Buttner signing has worked out so far. He was brought in to provide a bit of competition for Evra and allow him a bit of a rest and so far he hasn't done enough to convince Fergie that it's safe to do that, even in what you'd consider banker home league games. I hope when Fabio comes back in the summer he can make a better stab of it, or that Buttner trains on a bit, as running Evra into the ground hasn't exactly worked out that well for us in the last couple of years.

 

[Sixpence]

He literally doesn't give one shit when he loses the ball high up the pitch. He also has no common sense at all, don't go piling forward, lose the ball and leave your defence to cover your mess.

 

[kps88]

Fergie made a comment about how our full backs were knackered today. That tells you how poorly the Buttner signing has worked out so far. He was brought in to provide a bit of competition for Evra and allow him a bit of a rest and so far he hasn't done enough to convince Fergie that it's safe to do that, even in what you'd consider banker home league games. I hope when Fabio comes back in the summer he can make a better stab of it, or that Buttner trains on a bit, as running Evra into the ground hasn't exactly worked out that well for us in the last couple of years.

To be fair we had a fresh Smalling and Anderson on the bench as well, not sure it reflects too poorly on Buttner.

 

[Cevno]

He was poor today, but had lack of protection in front of him.

 

[Livvie]

Does he realise he's supposed to be in the left back position? He goes missing from there time and time again. Was just dire.

 

[Ash_G]

Fergie made a comment about how our full backs were knackered today. That tells you how poorly the Buttner signing has worked out so far. He was brought in to provide a bit of competition for Evra and allow him a bit of a rest and so far he hasn't done enough to convince Fergie that it's safe to do that, even in what you'd consider banker home league games. I hope when Fabio comes back in the summer he can make a better stab of it, or that Buttner trains on a bit, as running Evra into the ground hasn't exactly worked out that well for us in the last couple of years.

true but then tbf even with rafael he's chosen to play him a lot when in smalling/jones and even valncia he's had options. Similarly even RVP has been used a lot when in our attacking options we maybe could have afforded to rest him more.

 

[Forevergiggs]

I have been saying this forever that he cannot hack it now without the added protection from the left wingers. Young, Welbeck, Rooney have been helping him and have made him look good for most of this season. Young gets criticized often because of his lack of attacking threat; I believe that is more out of instructions than anything.

 

[Brophs]

To be fair we had a fresh Smalling and Anderson on the bench as well, not sure it reflects too poorly on Buttner.

Not today so much, but other games. Norwich, for example. Or any number of other home games. This guy has been in or around his national team. Is he really that far away that we can't use him in those sorts of games?

 

[Man-United]

Exactly, if Fergie had any trust in Buttner he would have played him against Norwich.

 

[Joemo]

He literally doesn't give one shit when he loses the ball high up the pitch.

Thank god.

 

[Cevno]

Does he realise he's supposed to be in the left back position? He goes missing from there time and time again. Was just dire.

With Kagawa drifting in he has to cover both ends of that flank, tbf.

 

[bosnian_red]

Wouldn't be too critical of him, he was poor today but most of the season he has been very good. Saf was right in saying he just looked knackered.

 

[I'm always right]

With Kagawa drifting in he has to cover both ends of that flank, tbf.

This.

He's obviously under instructions to provide width in attacking positions, and he was fecked as SAF said. The idea "he doesn't give a feck" is complete garbage that SAF wouldn't stand for.

One tired game in an otherwise excellent season, reckon we can grant him that.

 

[Sunny Jim]

was shocking defensively today.

 

[wr8_utd]

His goals and assists have papered over a lot of cracks this season and while he has been definitely better than the last year or two, he's still quite the defensive liability when he doesn't have Rooney or Young to cover for him.

 

[I'm always right]

Ha ha, how did I know.

One below par game, that's all it takes. Now cracks are being papered over etc. hilarious this place is.

 

[wr8_utd]

He's definitely been much better than the last year but when he doesn't have Young and Rooney to cover for him, he's in trouble. His casual jogging back is fine when he has someone to cover for him but when there's no one like it happened today, he can struggle a bit. But he's been in good form generally for a while now so fatigue probably played a role too.

 

[Sandikan]

Fergie said him and Rafael were absolutely knackered today.

If the replay is next week, surely Reading at home is the ideal game to give Buttner a game in.

 

[wr8_utd]

Replay can't be next week. Internationals on the 22nd/23rd and 26th.

 

[Platato]

If you're knackered and you're a defender, what good is it sprinting up the field leaving a massive gap on the left flank?

 

[I'm always right]

If you're knackered and you're a defender, what good is it sprinting up the field leaving a massive gap on the left flank?

Because SAF demanded it of it maybe? Because we had left winger.

I mean, feck me, you don't think SAF, seeing a knackered Evra, wouldn't have gotten instructions on the pitch for him to hang back if that was what he wanted?

Think people, it sometimes helps.

 

[ghaliboy]

He looked as though he was keeping it under wraps. Then saw a golden opportunity to go forward.

I am all for the fullback going forward BUT you can't just jog back. For me if you go forward with venom you have to haul ass back as hard as possible. Go to ground shattered after the goal. Not be ambling back into shot 30 yards up the field as the ball goes in.

Clevs and Carrick are guilty of going forward and ambling back in this game as well.

 

[I'm always right]

I am all for the fullback going forward BUT you can't just jog back.

If you're spent, you're spent.

SAF knew he was spent to it was up to him to either sub Evra or get instructions on to tell Evra to stop going forward. The fact that SAF didn't do this leads me to believe that he wanted Evra to keep getting forward as we had zero width on that side, even if that meant Evra not being able to get back in.

I mean, think about it, why wouldn't SAF do something about it if he was so unhappy? It's a pretty easy thing for a manager to do, make a sub, or give out instructions.

Maybe it was Phelan's fault?

 

[Platato]

Because SAF demanded it of it maybe? Because we had left winger.

I mean, feck me, you don't think SAF, seeing a knackered Evra, wouldn't have gotten instructions on the pitch for him to hang back if that was what he wanted?

Think people, it sometimes helps.

What are you talking about mate? did SAF call for the players' reactions in the 6-1 where we played with the slightest clue of organisation?

He's a defender first so what's the excuse in leaving our left flank exposed like that? We already know Chelsea are fast on the counter-attack.

SAF can only be responsible for so much. Evra is old enough and experienced enough to know better. But yes put it on SAF.

Think IAR, you're not always right.

 

[I'm always right]

SAF can only be responsible for so much. Evra is old enough and experienced enough to know better. But yes put it on SAF.

Think IAR, you're not always right.

Bizarre mentioning the 6-1 where we were a man down and losing the game. It's not remotely comparable to yesterday's game. Simple instructions would have done nothing vs. City except to maybe keep the score at 4-0, it wouldn't have altered the result.

Today was different, if SAF can see that Evra is done (which he did), it's a simple message onto the pitch to stay back.

I might not be always right, but I am here. SAF wants Evra to be our outlet on the left flank when we have no width there.

 

[MrMojo]

The 6-1 were a man down, losing and completely fecked.

Today was different, if SAF can see that Evra is done (which he did), it's a simple message onto the pitch to stay back.

I might not be always right, but I am here. SAF wants Evra to be our outlet on the left flank when we have no width there.

The manager can't in the heat of the moment know how tired he is, only Evra knows that. There's a certain amount of responsibility on the players to use their own experience, you can't expect the manager to micro manage their every move.

I think Evra can extend his career here if he adapts his game and becomes a bit more conservative.

 

[I'm always right]

The manager can't in the heat of the moment know how tired he is, only Evra knows that.

The manager said after the game "our fullbacks were knackered", so yeah he knew.

Obviously players are responsible but Evra had to be our outlet on the left today else we had NOTHING there. SAF needed to change something as he knew Evra was knackered (his own words) and couldn't do both the jobs he wanted from him.

Personally I'd have brought on some genuine width (Young) on the left to save Evra having to do it. SAF is certainly to blame if he's playing without a left winger, sees his fullback is fecked and neither tells the fullback to stay back nor puts a player on the pitch to ease one of the jobs from him.

 

[MrMojo]

The manager said after the game "our fullbacks were knackered", so yeah he knew.

Thanks.

Obviously players are responsible but Evra had to be our outlet on the left today else we had NOTHING there. SAF needed to change something as he knew Evra was knackered (his own words) and couldn't do both the jobs he wanted from him.

Personally I'd have brought on some genuine width on the left to save Evra having to do it.

I agree I don't understand why SAF didn't do something about it but Evra's not a robot, he knows better than anyone how he feels and has to react. I'm sure if he explained after the game that he reduced his attacking to make sure he defended solidly the manager would be ok with that given the midweek efforts.

 

[I'm always right]

I agree I don't understand why SAF didn't do something about it but Evra's not a robot, he knows better than anyone how he feels and has to react. I'm sure if he explained after the game that he reduced his attacking to make sure he defended solidly the manager would be ok with that given the midweek efforts.

Or maybe Evra would just feel like a complete prick by offering zero help for Rooney and Kagawa as they both keep cutting inside and expecting their fullback to overlap for them or to offer them an option. He simply has to try and help them there. Evra was trying to do all he could, but he was completely fecked.

Of course that is SAF's fault, no doubt. Even worse that he admits knowing Evra was fecked. Just give the poor fecker a winger to play with then and ease the burden.

 

[MrMojo]

Or maybe Evra would just felt like a complete prick by offering zero help for Rooney and Kagawa no help as they both keep cutting inside and expecting their fullback to overlap for them. He simply has to try and help them there. Evra was trying to do all he could, but he was completely fecked.

Of course that is SAF's fault, no doubt.

We barely had the ball for the last 30mins, if an experienced pro can't decide 'should I be overlapping or concentrating on defending right now' then he needs a rethink.

 

[I'm always right]

We barely had the ball for the last 30mins, if an experienced pro can't decide 'should I be overlapping or concentrating on defending right now' then he needs a rethink.

When the other option is offering Rooney no out ball, hence making him lose the ball on the half way line, well, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Both options put your team in trouble don't they?

 

[Platato]

It's really not that complicated IAR. He's a defender first and foremost. There was no ample cover for his forays forward and it left us exposed. He did this numerous times despite being knackered. Should SAF have to tell a player who is knackered to stay back? Or is Evra not knowledgeable about how to manage his own fitness?

I dont think SAF should have to account for every little thing that's going on. He's not that type of manager. Evra leaving the left flank exposed wasn't our only issue, mind.

The players have to take some type of responsibility and I expect a seasoned pro to know how to adjust his positioning or how he's playing if it's negatively affecting the team. At what point, he was ahead of Rooney. There's a difference between supporting and being overly ambitious.