He shouldn't have tracked the run. Had he not, Van Persie would be offside negating any potential pass to him.
Patrice Evra | 2008-12 Performances
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Personally I just want criticism of the team to be aimed in the right directions. Evans was not at fault for that goal, Evra miskicked, which happens, but then rashly runs toward the middle when we had plenty of men looking after that space.
I think Evra is below par at the moment, and im sure if Fabio steps in at some point and outplays him he'll get every chance to claim the spot as his, but people should still get off Evra's back – he's a big figure in the dressing room and an invaluable source of experience. He'll be at the club for a few years yet.
Fair enough.
Watching on tv I often wonder why teams don't play the offside trap more when they're defending outside their own box. But then it's a lot to ask when you're scrambling to cover from a turnover.
I suppose that's something we can forgive a back 4 that's quite inexperienced playing together. I think it's fair to say it was a very good defensive performance overall, with 2 poor clearances causing 2 goals.
I haven't read all the criticism of him on here but Evra and Vidic do seem to have a fine understanding of each other's game when they play together. Both of them, at different times, have mentioned how they have an agreement that Vidic slides to the left a little to cover Evra when he goes forward. Perhaps others in the team know to be alert to cover central defence a little to compensate for this shift.
That balance and understanding will be automatic and is bound to change a bit when there are so many new/young players in the team.
That balance and understanding will be automatic and is bound to change a bit when there are so many new/young players in the team.
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fecking hell, how shit is that pitch?
35 seconds in
Call me a cnut, but in current form Evra won't be missed if he is injured
Nonsense.
Best left back we have!
On form he is one of the top two left backs in the world, but he has been off form for arguably 18 months.
We have young talents pushing now and if he does not improve drastically, he might lose his starting spot this season already
He's started the season a lot better imo.
am amazed he played all those games last season tbh. was so clearly off pace and fabio still couldnt get a look in.
In the attacking sense yes, but defensively he's been shite.
He's lost his discipline when it comes to his defensive duties, he doesn't get back into position quick enough or even at all.
this. young would be bursting his lungs getting back and tracking runs even in the 80th minute while evra would just stroll back. i dont know why he does that, but its infuriating.
he needs to be rested for some games imo during the season. he plays far too many games. fabio should get a look in from time to time.
His positional sense definitely seems to have somewhat lost him at times, but I do think it's being overstated a little by some people on here recently, and as for tracking back it's perfectly plausible that he and Young have it worked out which is why Young is often the one chasing back when we're being broken against. He is faster after all. Evra hasn't been at his best form for a while, for sure, but if it was as bad as some people make out SAF would have dropped him by now, I think we all know he isn't averse to doing that with anybody.
It's also a bit of a shame that a video is posted of him seemingly being hurt and somebody's first reaction is 'we won't miss him'.
It's also a bit of a shame that a video is posted of him seemingly being hurt and somebody's first reaction is 'we won't miss him'.
He's already faced Lennon and Walcott this season who can be tricky enough customers and players he usually struggles against. I thought he coped a bit better than usual against Lennon and played well against Arsenal. Aside from one poor clearance i thought he worked well in tandem with Young both in defence and in attack.
If I remember rightly he was at fault for both goals vs le arse.
Apparently United will have to play on that same pitch in the away group game against Otelul Galati next month.
Well, Jones should have just put that header out of bounds backwards rather than loft it back into the box, if Evra did make a mistake after that he was put in a bad position.
Wow, better keep Welbeck and the twins off that pitch, and everyone else for that matter.
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If Fergie thinks there is a better option, Evra will be benched
You remember wrongly. Evra contributed to their second with a shite clearance but it was Evans that made the silly foul for the first and played Walcott onside for the second.
Just play Smalling at left back.
rafael is out injured, smalling is still needed at right-back.
Our current back four has a combined age of about 15. He will be missed, though we should cope.
Wait why are you talking like they scored the penalty and Walcott's goal was the 2nd? Evra's shite clearance was for the 1st goal, and he also rushed forward to try to remedy his mistake, leaving Walcott wide open on the left.. He was not taking part in any offside trap with the rest of the defence.
The second goal was a heroic-looking yet poor clearance by Jones that got headed back into the box.
Eh? The second goal was certainly nothing to do with him... why do our fans want to find sticks to beat Evra with these days?
Evra made a crap clearance for the first goal, Evans played everyone onside, De Gea possibly also wishes he did a little better.
The second goal was due to Young not tracking the full back, Evra sticks with his winger, Young gets a little lazy (hardly surprising considering the scoreline) and he dangles a lazy foot out trying to stop the pass to the Arse right back, he then realises his mistake and runs full pelt to get back in. But erm, as always these days, any goal from the left MUST be Paddy's fault
Oh and as Bergen said above, Jones' should've headed out for a corner, instead he headed right back into danger, that was probably the biggest mistake for the second goal.
After the departure of O'Shea, It looks like Patrice will be this year's Caf Scapegoat.
Might I also add that Evra has always played like this but before this season the likes of Carrick and Rio has covered the ass for him. However since we're now a days playing Jones and Cleverley whose Positional sense is still weak, Evra's defensive weakness are being more exposed.
When one of Rio or Carrick comes back in the defense, I reckon there will be lot less moaning at him. However he's clearly coming back to his old self. It was encouraging to know that Kourox reported that Evra had a blinder of a match for France a week ago.
Might I also add that Evra has always played like this but before this season the likes of Carrick and Rio has covered the ass for him. However since we're now a days playing Jones and Cleverley whose Positional sense is still weak, Evra's defensive weakness are being more exposed.
When one of Rio or Carrick comes back in the defense, I reckon there will be lot less moaning at him. However he's clearly coming back to his old self. It was encouraging to know that Kourox reported that Evra had a blinder of a match for France a week ago.
Without doubt for me, against Arsenal he was superb and was involved in a lot of our goals, he gives so much to our all round play, surely he's the best footballing left back in the world. It's a shame that after such a cracking display posters are focusing on a small error that together will a couple of other small errors from other players lead to a goal. We won fecking 8-2 ffs.
Evra's had been poor on many occasions even when we had Rio, Vidic and Carrick playing last season or season and a half.
The lack of experience in the centre of defence could be a factor but he is the experienced one there and should be helping our CB's and not the other way around.
He has been getting dragged out of position way to often and that has cost us a lot of goals.
blah blah, let's just concentrate on this season, and so far he's started very well. He was superb in his last game vs. Arsenal.
This. People can defend Evra as much as they want, but the bottom line is his is the side where mistakes are being made, which are directly contributing to goals conceded.
He is simply out of position too often and gets caught ball watching. His decision making has been poor this year defnsively. He needs to remember that as much as we enjoy his attacking contributions, first and foremeost he is a defender and that should be his main priority.
Ashley Cole is widely considered the best LB in the world because of his defensive capabilities, which he has shown on many occasions in the big matches against the likes of Ronaldo, Lennon etc, his attacking prowess is simply an added bonus.
i thought he was caught out on both goals - my eyes need checking. and v lennon , lennon was shit kept letting his brain get in the way of his feet. but can't complain about his being commited to the club , he's friggin' a nutter out there and he'll find better form.
Yes apart from being out of position for both the goals he was great. I don't know how you can defend Evra and blame Young for the second goal. He was not only 30 yards away from his position he was 20 yards infield at the same time. Young is there to help him out, not do his job for him, it is not about Evra just man marking the winger while leaving his flank completely exposed. If he had been in his proper position he could have held the full back up, while Young got back to cover the deeper winger.
This is not the first time either, so while you may not agree there is definitely room for improvement in Evra's defensive positioning. I am not one for criticising him but to criticise Young instead is just as bad imo.
I would also point out that Evra was out of position for Walcott's foul in the box, he should have been tracking Walcott down that side of the box, not moving infield and attempting to close down on the 18yard line. Yes Evans initially played men onside but had Evra kept his position, he would have been much better equipped to deal with Walcott's pace than Evans, and Evra should know that with his experience imo.
Pure bollox and a fundamental misunderstanding of football.
Evra can't let his man have the ball in the acres of space he would've had in our half if he'd just left him, Young could've and should've cut out the pass, but he was a little lazy, as I said, hardly surprising and hardly a huge mistake. The biggest error in the 2nd goal for anyone who knows ANYTHING about football is Jones, you don't head balls back into danger, especially when your own momentum from the header will take you out of the game.
erm... criticising Young is just as bad? wtf are you on?
I said, Young could've done better, hardly a big fecking criticism especially considering I followed that up with, considering the scoreline it what hardly surprising and then I laid most of the blame on Jones.
A little different to some of you who are laying most of the blame for the goal on Evra.
That was after the fact, you have to look at what caused the intial panic and the rest of the players to be out of position. Evra had no business being where he was at that time, what was he trying to achieve? However you look at it he left a gaping big hole down his flank and it is his job, not Young's to be stopping crosses coming into our box.
His only excuse would have been if Young had left him 2 on 1, which he did not.
What Evra should have done is go back towards his own position and pointed to Young to cover the winger he was leaving on the inside. It's called taking responsibility of the situation. How anybody can think fecking off into the centre of the pitch, not even near the box and leaving your flank wide open is acceptable defending is beyond me.
You can point blame at everybody else for minor errors after the fact, but however you look at it the mistakes started with Evra not being in the full back position. AS the most experienced defender in the team he should curb his attacking instincts and realise the more inexperienced players need his leadership in that area of the pitch. That is a fundamental requirement of an experienced player to help out the younger players not leave them exposed time and again.
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