Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th

Surprised by the number of police and military that was involved in the operation, I mean all you can see on the screen are about a zillion police buses plus so many ambulance & fire vehicles
 
Sultan said:
I think I'd spend all my energy and resources on changing the Muslim communities mindset.

Firstly, I'd get a message out living amongst non-Muslims is a blessing and an opportunity to be ambassadors of Islam. This gives us an opportunity to show the virtues of our faith. Our conduct should be so good in our daily dealings it should captivate whosoever sees us and accepts us in a positive way. We should basically leave an everlasting impression on everyone who comes into contact with us in everyday life. A life of piety will immediately attract people's attention.

Secondly, I'd urge Muslims not to live an insular lifestyle, failing to manifest the beauty of our faith. We must earn our place in our host country. Leave an imprint on the host community of our usefulness. We must demonstrate our existence here is more beneficial than that of the locals. We have to demonstrate we are a blessing and mercy anywhere we live. We cannot just live in an enclosed environment with just our prayers and fasting, negligent to our neighbours and society.

Third, we need to strengthen our position everywhere in the world through deeds I have mentioned above. We need to earn our recognition. Display a noble character. Live as you would as a guest. Strive to master the national language and become proficient so that you can use it effectively. This way the world will begin to love us and our faith, we will then see people stand to defend us. If there is the slightest opposition against us, they will be the first ones to argue on our behalf and vouch what a blessing we are for them.

Fourth, don't get engrossed in pointing fingers at other nations. (I need to take note) Don't believe any present Islamic groups are fighting for a just cause. Remember every person that gets killed without faith is a victory for the satan. Our victory as Muslims is to take every individual on this earth to heaven through being exemplary in our conduct. Power and land are always only temporary as history has proved. That's not our goal.
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That's an excellent post. I should show this to people who say "what can be done" or "there's nothing we can do". There are things that can done, it'll take time but there are things never the less.
 
Sultan said:
I think I'd spend all my energy and resources on changing the Muslim communities mindset.

Firstly, I'd get a message out living amongst non-Muslims is a blessing and an opportunity to be ambassadors of Islam. This gives us an opportunity to show the virtues of our faith. Our conduct should be so good in our daily dealings it should captivate whosoever sees us and accepts us in a positive way. We should basically leave an everlasting impression on everyone who comes into contact with us in everyday life. A life of piety will immediately attract people's attention.

Secondly, I'd urge Muslims not to live an insular lifestyle, failing to manifest the beauty of our faith. We must earn our place in our host country. Leave an imprint on the host community of our usefulness. We must demonstrate our existence here is more beneficial than that of the locals. We have to demonstrate we are a blessing and mercy anywhere we live. We cannot just live in an enclosed environment with just our prayers and fasting, negligent to our neighbours and society.

Third, we need to strengthen our position everywhere in the world through deeds I have mentioned above. We need to earn our recognition. Display a noble character. Live as you would as a guest. Strive to master the national language and become proficient so that you can use it effectively. This way the world will begin to love us and our faith, we will then see people stand to defend us. If there is the slightest opposition against us, they will be the first ones to argue on our behalf and vouch what a blessing we are for them.

Fourth, don't get engrossed in pointing fingers at other nations. (I need to take note) Don't believe any present Islamic groups are fighting for a just cause. Remember every person that gets killed without faith is a victory for the satan. Our victory as Muslims is to take every individual on this earth to heaven through being exemplary in our conduct. Power and land are always only temporary as history has proved. That's not our goal.
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that is the burden you have to live with for believing and living by the fairy tales of an illiterate warlord in the secular western word .
 
According to the prosecutor, the so-called master-mind was not among the arrested people. This terror cell was ready to attack. A bunch of details on the operation itself and how they found this apartment.
 
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Uzz said:
Wikileaks have found a IS document which essentially says 'provoke Western govts so their resident Muslims have no alternative but to come to/join us'.

Unconfirmed atm will try and get something concrete though.
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Hardly surprising.

Recruitment by forcing alienation, like their cousins at Al Qaeda.
 
Apparently there is an incident at Manchester Piccadilly station. A friend of mine is stuck on a train and the station is being evacuated.
 
Jewish teacher stabbed in France by Islamist state extremist supporters.
 
Perhaps it's been posted before, but I think it's important and the message is real.

 
Sultan said:
I think I'd spend all my energy and resources on changing the Muslim communities mindset.

Firstly, I'd get a message out living amongst non-Muslims is a blessing and an opportunity to be ambassadors of Islam. This gives us an opportunity to show the virtues of our faith. Our conduct should be so good in our daily dealings it should captivate whosoever sees us and accepts us in a positive way. We should basically leave an everlasting impression on everyone who comes into contact with us in everyday life. A life of piety will immediately attract people's attention.

Secondly, I'd urge Muslims not to live an insular lifestyle, failing to manifest the beauty of our faith. We must earn our place in our host country. Leave an imprint on the host community of our usefulness. We must demonstrate our existence here is more beneficial than that of the locals. We have to demonstrate we are a blessing and mercy anywhere we live. We cannot just live in an enclosed environment with just our prayers and fasting, negligent to our neighbours and society.

Third, we need to strengthen our position everywhere in the world through deeds I have mentioned above. We need to earn our recognition. Display a noble character. Live as you would as a guest. Strive to master the national language and become proficient so that you can use it effectively. This way the world will begin to love us and our faith, we will then see people stand to defend us. If there is the slightest opposition against us, they will be the first ones to argue on our behalf and vouch what a blessing we are for them.

Fourth, don't get engrossed in pointing fingers at other nations. (I need to take note) Don't believe any present Islamic groups are fighting for a just cause. Remember every person that gets killed without faith is a victory for the satan. Our victory as Muslims is to take every individual on this earth to heaven through being exemplary in our conduct. Power and land are always only temporary as history has proved. That's not our goal.
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Some guy just killed 2 soldiers in Sarajevo. He was yelling you know what and it's been said he is a Wahhabi Muslim who recently came back from Syria.
 
gaucho_10 said:
Some guy just killed 2 soldiers in Sarajevo. He was yelling you know what and it's been said he is a Wahhabi Muslim who recently came back from Syria.
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No one confirmed that yet. Word is that he is tough drug user.

Also, soldiers were in betting shop at the time.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Surprised by the number of police and military that was involved in the operation, I mean all you can see on the screen are about a zillion police buses plus so many ambulance & fire vehicles
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Better safe than sorry. The counter-terrorrists had to fire 5000 rounds during the operation, the cnuts were ready for a siege.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Am I the only one who finds the response to this on social media incredibly depressing?

Obviously, you've got the nut-jobs at each end of the spectrum doing their usual moronic grand-standing. From "nuke 'em all" at one end extreme to "Paris deserved what it got" at another but even the more moderate responses are annoying me.

There's something about the rush to paint a tricolour on your profile page and post long-winded but ultimately hollow expressions of sympathy and outrage that jars somewhat. Every right-minded person will feel terrible over what's happened and hope that Paris/France can get back on an even keel as soon as possible. Will stuff I post on Facebook make any difference to how quickly this happens? Hell no. So why do I need everyone to know that I'm feeling the same as every other right-minded person feels right now?

Then you have the "why does nobody care about Lebanon?" crew. Of course we care about Lebanon but - like it or not - the relentless violence in that region over such a long period of time has desensitised people who don't live in that region to a certain background level of violence. Which is a shit state of affairs but it is what it is. It's obvious why the Parisian atrocities have garnered more attention and why people who live in Europe will feel that more directly affected and more likely to offer expressions of sympathy. So what's with the fecking point-scoring? It's hipster politicking. "Mourning for Paris is so main-stream, I'm gonna mourn for the Lebanon instead" (from an internet cafe fecking thousands of miles from Lebanon but mere hundreds of miles away from Paris)

But yeah, Facebook, Just about justified for baby snaps and holiday photos but makes me lose the will to live every time it is used to discuss anything more significant. Ugh.
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Not sure who to credit but this is perfect.
 
French polics hasn't confirmed yet if Abdelhamid Abdaaoud was one of the 2 dead people?
 
VorZakone said:
French polics hasn't confirmed yet if Abdelhamid Abdaaoud was one of the 2 dead people?
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Apparently not. The prosecutor couldn't confirm a definite number of dead bodies. The building partially collapsed during the operation which is one of the reasons why it took so long. They needed to stabilize some walls and what not.
 
Sweden's terror threat level was raised to 'high' for the first time in history, as the head of security service Säpo revealed at a press conference that police were hunting a suspected terrorist.
 
More raids in Belgium, and FBI warned Italy about attacks at the Petersdome and other places in Italy.
 
Sultan said:
I think I'd spend all my energy and resources on changing the Muslim communities mindset.

Firstly, I'd get a message out living amongst non-Muslims is a blessing and an opportunity to be ambassadors of Islam. This gives us an opportunity to show the virtues of our faith. Our conduct should be so good in our daily dealings it should captivate whosoever sees us and accepts us in a positive way. We should basically leave an everlasting impression on everyone who comes into contact with us in everyday life. A life of piety will immediately attract people's attention.

Secondly, I'd urge Muslims not to live an insular lifestyle, failing to manifest the beauty of our faith. We must earn our place in our host country. Leave an imprint on the host community of our usefulness. We must demonstrate our existence here is more beneficial than that of the locals. We have to demonstrate we are a blessing and mercy anywhere we live. We cannot just live in an enclosed environment with just our prayers and fasting, negligent to our neighbours and society.

Third, we need to strengthen our position everywhere in the world through deeds I have mentioned above. We need to earn our recognition. Display a noble character. Live as you would as a guest. Strive to master the national language and become proficient so that you can use it effectively. This way the world will begin to love us and our faith, we will then see people stand to defend us. If there is the slightest opposition against us, they will be the first ones to argue on our behalf and vouch what a blessing we are for them.

Fourth, don't get engrossed in pointing fingers at other nations. (I need to take note) Don't believe any present Islamic groups are fighting for a just cause. Remember every person that gets killed without faith is a victory for the satan. Our victory as Muslims is to take every individual on this earth to heaven through being exemplary in our conduct. Power and land are always only temporary as history has proved. That's not our goal.
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This pleases me.

As usual :)

Most people know that ISIS are as representative of Islam as the KKK are of Christianity. However, ISIS have got themselves into a far more powerful position and whilst low in % numbers there is a worrying attraction for disaffected Western raised Muslim youth. I'd be interested in your views as to why this is? While it is easy to blame religion (and it isn't totally unconnected) in my experience people only seek out belonging to such extremist groups when other factors push them towards extremism e.g. Northern Ireland. Therefore the logical response to that is more integration and inclusion but recent events suggest that the opposite is likely. Which, if I've answered my own question, means that ISIS are winning as we are doing what they want :(

Did you see Walid Ali's viral video from our The Project program? The bloke always speaks sense and I've talked to him a few time by email. Top bloke.

https://www.facebook.com/theprojecttv/
 
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Good speech that. I don't feel educated enough on the exact matters as obviously I only get Western media but you have to give it to Putin here. Definitely sounds like he really means what he says and sounds believable.


prateik said:
State of emergency for the next 3 months? A bit excessive?
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I guess it allows them to do these raids much easier and to be a bit over the top with their actions. I don't think it's a bad decision if they intend to use this in an honest way. If they abuse that extra bit of power it'd be horrible of course but I'd rather let them be a bit over the top here and there to really minimize the danger for the future than see the intelligence and protective services hindered by legal procedures that might help the possible terrorists gain time.
 
botond said:
that is the burden you have to live with for believing and living by the fairy tales of an illiterate warlord in the secular western word .
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Although to be fair a fair proportion of the Western World believes slightly different stories.
 
Abaaoud now confirmed to be dead, while it is stellar work by the French authorities it is also incredibly scary to think that a guy who Europe and U.S were both after was in a Paris suburb planning attacks and there was no knowledge about that.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Abaaoud now confirmed to be dead, while it is stellar work by the French authorities it is also incredibly scary to think that a guy who Europe and U.S were both after was in a Paris suburb planning attacks and there was no knowledge about that.
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Very concerning. They all thought he was in Syria didn't they?
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Abaaoud now confirmed to be dead, while it is stellar work by the French authorities it is also incredibly scary to think that a guy who Europe and U.S were both after was in a Paris suburb planning attacks and there was no knowledge about that.
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Yeah he wasn't exactly a low profile guy, he featured in a couple of ISIS videos and gave an interview (posted above) to their magazine boasting about how easily he could move between Syria and Europe.
 
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