Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th

9:5 is about the Battle of Tabuk. Battle. There is a clue in the word there.

8:12 on the Battle of Badr. Battle. There is a clue in the word there.

I don't think the emphasis on battle excuses the fact these Medina surahs come later in chronology than the Mecca surahs, which emphasised the lack of compulsion in religion (when Muhammad was not a large enough force to take Mecca). And surah 9.29, for example, gives us the justification for the fighting, as noted in the commentary by Ibn Kathir: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2567&Itemid=64

Indeed, ISIS are in a battle right now.
 


A father explaining to his kid why he needn't be scared of the guns.
 
I don't think the emphasis on battle excuses the fact these Medina surahs come later in chronology than the Mecca surahs, which emphasised the lack of compulsion in religion (when Muhammad was not a large enough force to take Mecca). And surah 9.29, for example, gives us the justification for the fighting, as noted in the commentary by Ibn Kathir: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2567&Itemid=64

Indeed, ISIS are in a battle right now.

Battle as in a defensive battle which isis is not fighting since they're the ones wanting to instigate it.
 
Battle as in a defensive battle which Isis is not fighting since they're the ones wanting to instigate it.

Except that Muhammad's wars were not defensive. And you can read offence as defence so long as you deem there to be sufficient reasons for war. Indeed most radical Muslims believe they are fighting a defensive war against the west. They only tell us all the time that our foreign policy is the justification for their acts of terrorism, while citing the Qur'an in support.
 
Am I the only one who finds the response to this on social media incredibly depressing?

Obviously, you've got the nut-jobs at each end of the spectrum doing their usual moronic grand-standing. From "nuke 'em all" at one end extreme to "Paris deserved what it got" at another but even the more moderate responses are annoying me.

There's something about the rush to paint a tricolour on your profile page and post long-winded but ultimately hollow expressions of sympathy and outrage that jars somewhat. Every right-minded person will feel terrible over what's happened and hope that Paris/France can get back on an even keel as soon as possible. Will stuff I post on Facebook make any difference to how quickly this happens? Hell no. So why do I need everyone to know that I'm feeling the same as every other right-minded person feels right now?

Then you have the "why does nobody care about Lebanon?" crew. Of course we care about Lebanon but - like it or not - the relentless violence in that region over such a long period of time has desensitised people who don't live in that region to a certain background level of violence. Which is a shit state of affairs but it is what it is. It's obvious why the Parisian atrocities have garnered more attention and why people who live in Europe will feel that more directly affected and more likely to offer expressions of sympathy. So what's with the fecking point-scoring? It's hipster politicking. "Mourning for Paris is so main-stream, I'm gonna mourn for the Lebanon instead" (from an internet cafe fecking thousands of miles from Lebanon but mere hundreds of miles away from Paris)

But yeah, Facebook, Just about justified for baby snaps and holiday photos but makes me lose the will to live every time it is used to discuss anything more significant. Ugh.
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You are me. "Look at me, I despise what happened, I'm a good one". Well, if people on your friendslist don't know that, you fecked up earlier.
 
9:5 is about the Battle of Tabuk. Battle. There is a clue in the word there.

8:12 on the Battle of Badr. Battle. There is a clue in the word there.

And ISIS have declared war. These are all battles. Explain to me how these verses were used out of context in the article?
 
If you are going to be quoting the Quran thats what you need to do to ununderstand whats being said

I wasn't quoting the Quran. I simply posted an article written by a man who has studied Islam with incredible depth. You said the verses used in that article were used out of context and I asked you to show how.

The entire discussion is based upon interpretation and if a militant organisation is choosing to interpret them literally as justification for their war upon infidels, I'm not sure why you are attacking me for saying those words can be interpreted as violent.

This is happening. It's real. Whether any of us think the words should be interpreted differently or not.
 
So German media was talking about the guy that the German cops busted a couple of weeks ago when he tried to drive to Paris with a bunch of AKs, tnt, ammunition and other stuff.

When the German police busted him they informed the police in Montenegro immediately. A German media team travelled to Montenegro and interviewed the man's family and brother. The brother said that no police has searched their house to this day. The brother was happy to allow the camera team in and showed them the guy's address books etc that might contain ISIS contacts. Yet no police has went there to get any information.
 
Sultan (hope you are well)

If you were given a mandate by the government/UN whoever to somehow pro-actively sort this out within your faith, and had all the resources at your disposal, what would your approach be? (and i'm asking you to divorce this from a foreign policy debate, though I know it's a component)

Somebody of your calibre clearly needs to deconstruct/debunk these teachings if there is to be any way forward.
Muslim man in Northampton asked what he's doing about ISIS
17-11-15


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A 38-YEAR-OLD Muslim working as a land surveyor in Northampton has been asked how he plans to stop ISIS.

Mohammed Rahman, who was born in Kettering and attends mosque around four times a year, has been informed that responsibility for halting ISIS rests with the Muslim community and that means him.

He said: “Tony in marketing came over specially to ask how I was fighting creeping radicalisation in young Muslims. They seemed disconcerted when I said my daughters preferred 5SOS, which I then had to explain was an Australian boy band.

“Pam in the postroom wanted to know if I was going on an anti-ISIS march. I said I would if there was one going on, and she pursed her lips.

“Then I got called into the management meeting to tell them whether airstrikes could be effective against Syria or if we needed boots on the ground.

“I said I didn’t know. They didn’t say anything, but I felt like I’d let them down.”

Rahman decided to make an effort by leaving critical comments under an ISIS video on YouTube, following which he was placed on MI5 and CIA watch lists.
 
Muslim man in Northampton asked what he's doing about ISIS
17-11-15


man42513.jpg


A 38-YEAR-OLD Muslim working as a land surveyor in Northampton has been asked how he plans to stop ISIS.

Mohammed Rahman, who was born in Kettering and attends mosque around four times a year, has been informed that responsibility for halting ISIS rests with the Muslim community and that means him.

He said: “Tony in marketing came over specially to ask how I was fighting creeping radicalisation in young Muslims. They seemed disconcerted when I said my daughters preferred 5SOS, which I then had to explain was an Australian boy band.

“Pam in the postroom wanted to know if I was going on an anti-ISIS march. I said I would if there was one going on, and she pursed her lips.

“Then I got called into the management meeting to tell them whether airstrikes could be effective against Syria or if we needed boots on the ground.

“I said I didn’t know. They didn’t say anything, but I felt like I’d let them down.”

Rahman decided to make an effort by leaving critical comments under an ISIS video on YouTube, following which he was placed on MI5 and CIA watch lists.

:D:lol:


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"Mr. Simpson, your silence will only incriminate you further."
 
Muslim man in Northampton asked what he's doing about ISIS
17-11-15


man42513.jpg


A 38-YEAR-OLD Muslim working as a land surveyor in Northampton has been asked how he plans to stop ISIS.

Mohammed Rahman, who was born in Kettering and attends mosque around four times a year, has been informed that responsibility for halting ISIS rests with the Muslim community and that means him.

He said: “Tony in marketing came over specially to ask how I was fighting creeping radicalisation in young Muslims. They seemed disconcerted when I said my daughters preferred 5SOS, which I then had to explain was an Australian boy band.

“Pam in the postroom wanted to know if I was going on an anti-ISIS march. I said I would if there was one going on, and she pursed her lips.

“Then I got called into the management meeting to tell them whether airstrikes could be effective against Syria or if we needed boots on the ground.

“I said I didn’t know. They didn’t say anything, but I felt like I’d let them down.”

Rahman decided to make an effort by leaving critical comments under an ISIS video on YouTube, following which he was placed on MI5 and CIA watch lists.

:lol: Crazy. Is that genuine or a WUM?
 
Drugs found at the house the attackers were renting. I thought these guys would have been extremely anti-drugs given their hardcore religious stance. I suppose if you can bend the rules to make killing people acceptable, then drugs is nothing in comparison. I just thought these guys were all extremely anti drugs and alcohol as many Muslims are?
 
Muslim man in Northampton asked what he's doing about ISIS
17-11-15


man42513.jpg


A 38-YEAR-OLD Muslim working as a land surveyor in Northampton has been asked how he plans to stop ISIS.

Mohammed Rahman, who was born in Kettering and attends mosque around four times a year, has been informed that responsibility for halting ISIS rests with the Muslim community and that means him.

He said: “Tony in marketing came over specially to ask how I was fighting creeping radicalisation in young Muslims. They seemed disconcerted when I said my daughters preferred 5SOS, which I then had to explain was an Australian boy band.

“Pam in the postroom wanted to know if I was going on an anti-ISIS march. I said I would if there was one going on, and she pursed her lips.

“Then I got called into the management meeting to tell them whether airstrikes could be effective against Syria or if we needed boots on the ground.

“I said I didn’t know. They didn’t say anything, but I felt like I’d let them down.”

Rahman decided to make an effort by leaving critical comments under an ISIS video on YouTube, following which he was placed on MI5 and CIA watch lists.

:lol:
 
Drugs found at the house the attackers were renting. I thought these guys would have been extremely anti-drugs given their hardcore religious stance. I suppose if you can bend the rules to make killing people acceptable, then drugs is nothing in comparison. I just thought these guys were all extremely anti drugs and alcohol as many Muslims are?

From what I remember the 9/11 hijackers went boozing before they did the job. Seems to be a thing, one last night of sin or something.
 
Drugs found at the house the attackers were renting. I thought these guys would have been extremely anti-drugs given their hardcore religious stance. I suppose if you can bend the rules to make killing people acceptable, then drugs is nothing in comparison. I just thought these guys were all extremely anti drugs and alcohol as many Muslims are?

Just read that the ex-wife of one of the suicide bombers said that he never went to the mosque and only followed Ramadan when he felt he had to. Hardly the sound of a god-fearing man
 
Drugs found at the house the attackers were renting. I thought these guys would have been extremely anti-drugs given their hardcore religious stance. I suppose if you can bend the rules to make killing people acceptable, then drugs is nothing in comparison. I just thought these guys were all extremely anti drugs and alcohol as many Muslims are?
That just shows how non Muslim these guys really are. They're effectively hypocrites.
 
Just read that the ex-wife of one of the suicide bombers said that he never went to the mosque and only followed Ramadan when he felt he had to. Hardly the sound of a god-fearing man


That just shows how non Muslim these guys really are. They're effectively hypocrites.

Well that was exactly my point.

Not only are they lunatics, they are also complete hypocrites fighting for things they don't even believe in or follow themselves. Although I'm not entirely surprised by this, I am pretty confused by it.
 
Muslim man in Northampton asked what he's doing about ISIS
17-11-15


man42513.jpg


A 38-YEAR-OLD Muslim working as a land surveyor in Northampton has been asked how he plans to stop ISIS.

Mohammed Rahman, who was born in Kettering and attends mosque around four times a year, has been informed that responsibility for halting ISIS rests with the Muslim community and that means him.

He said: “Tony in marketing came over specially to ask how I was fighting creeping radicalisation in young Muslims. They seemed disconcerted when I said my daughters preferred 5SOS, which I then had to explain was an Australian boy band.

“Pam in the postroom wanted to know if I was going on an anti-ISIS march. I said I would if there was one going on, and she pursed her lips.

“Then I got called into the management meeting to tell them whether airstrikes could be effective against Syria or if we needed boots on the ground.

“I said I didn’t know. They didn’t say anything, but I felt like I’d let them down.”

Rahman decided to make an effort by leaving critical comments under an ISIS video on YouTube, following which he was placed on MI5 and CIA watch lists.

:lol:

Always found it weird that some people have strange expectations from people who has absolutely nothing to do with it. Good WUM.
 
I've seen these pictures being put out:

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What on earth is that
 
I went to some Olympic football games and had to empty all my possessions into a clear plastic bag and was thoroughly padded down at each one.


Are you Caucasian, preferably blonde? Been searched with a drug sniffing dog, once had to strip down to my underwear in front of people waiting in line, also had some spray being put into my luggage that was supposed to show dangerous substances I guess. My personal highlight was when at the gate when we were boarding I was the ONLY one from the whole plane to be pulled out by an air marshal or someone like that and being questioned about the purpose of my trip in an extra room. I was 16 and wanted to visit my host family after a student exchange a year earlier. :angel::wenger: Crazy really.
 
Drugs found at the house the attackers were renting. I thought these guys would have been extremely anti-drugs given their hardcore religious stance. I suppose if you can bend the rules to make killing people acceptable, then drugs is nothing in comparison. I just thought these guys were all extremely anti drugs and alcohol as many Muslims are?

One of the attackers in France used to ru a very seedy bar