Paolo Di Canio

neo, once again you've missed some of the specific arguments i've made - i see no point in stating them for the third time...

a couple of quick ones -

'temper' and 'temperament' are not synonymous...

even if we got di Canio on a free transfer, fact is we still need someone to come in and do a job for us, as a third choice after Ruud and Ole - we don't need a 'messiah' right now, we need backup in squad positions, goal-scorers capable of playing deeper if needed...

i'm not sure why signing some other player would necessarily take longer than PdC - we haven't made a bid for him, i'm sure the procedure is the same for other players as well.
 
i`m sure you could lack words to describe the things going on in e.g. keanos head sometimes...

you want to buy a young, decent player who will live happily in the shadows of RvN/Ole for a couple of seasons? Sit on the bench and maybe get a few matches? Hmmm... We have a couple of youngsters that can do that better than an expensive talent.

the time factor: PdC wants to come to Utd, he lives in England, West Ham may want to sell him before the season starts and the money is right...

have you got any candidates? who would, in your eyes, be the right 4th striker?
 
even if we got di Canio on a free transfer, fact is we still need someone to come in and do a job for us, as a third choice after Ruud and Ole - we don't need a 'messiah' right now, we need backup in squad positions, goal-scorers capable of playing deeper if needed... <hr></blockquote>

1) PdC will surely be third choice if he is signed. He will know it himself...
2) He will do the job, if he turns out to be the "Messiah" or just "an ego with talent", doesn`t matter.
3) He is the goalscorer capable og playing deeper if needed.

I don`t see the problem...
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1. 3 strikers can nail the PL. Last season with "two" we where the highest scorers. why I say two is that Forlan never contributed. Add his goals and our tally will increase.

2. Only defending and bad form stopped us from lifting the PL. Thats where our losses came from. Eliminate these and what happens? :)

3. We failed to win the Champion's league because of a lack of a deep lying finisher. Froaln might crack it but back up is needed.


4. Thus add di Canio for the hole and what do you get? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />


That is the only reason PDC is needed. To ensure the Champion's league become's ours.
 
i think he uses the phrase "red mist" himself... ;)

i'm not familiar with the reserves, but if we can find someone there to come into the first squad, it is a better risk to take than PdC...

as i've said before, the only situation where di Canio makes any sense at all is if we're planning a big move for Ronnie II next summer,
but even then, i just do not see him comfortable playing as a third-choice and having to do a job, indeed, that might turn out to be more of a distraction/disruption
we had the best strike partnerhip in Europe last season, and that too with Ole making more sub appearance than starts - lets's stick with that and bring back-up for them, and the same goes for the PL...
we don't need either a creative or goalscoring mainstay, but more of a Teddy who can enough of both...

if we're not planning on a big spend next summer,
we'd do better to get someone like Eidur for around 10-12m (which would fit in with the rumours Raoul heard)

as far as di Canio's goal-scoring goes, i'd like to look at his career-stats - i don't believe they're that impressive...

finally, i don't think we HAVE to get a 4th striker for the CL till Jan. i'm pretty sure we can get by the first group stage with our squad and improved defence...
 
RedIndian....:
3. We failed to win the Champion's league because of a lack of a deep lying finisher. <hr></blockquote>

we "failed to win" the CL because the players who turned up on the days of the 2 semis played poorly and without inspiration, the defence made silly errors, esp. Ronnie in the 2nd leg

all this talk of us losing, that too on away goals because of formations and injuries is nonsense,
the fact is the 11 who took the field in both games were more than capable of winning, they didn't perform when they had to (with, as almost always, the exception of Keano)
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I dont agree there'd be a problem with PDC. To step up from West Ham in the twighlight of his carear would be a massive move for him.

There's no way on Earth he'd come expecting to start every game. His ego would be massaged by the fans for the extra dimension he would give us even in a cameo role.

He'd be free to express himself and he'll be loved for it. Just to be involved as we attack PL and CL would be massive for him.

Then there's the SAF factor - he can only be a benefit to our squad :)
 
Eidur for example, is a better player than PDC, and 10-12 years left of his career. If you put it that way, he`s a better choice. But I honestly don`t think a player like Eidur would be as comfortable becoming third choice as PDC.

The last thing Utd should do now, is buying a young player in the 10-15 mill leage that might not turn out to be the thing we need. PDC is a man for CL matches (or if there`s injuries), and Ole/Forlan/RvN is the trio who can nail the PL title.
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>I dont agree there'd be a problem with PDC. To step up from West Ham in the twighlight of his carear would be a massive move for him.

There's no way on Earth he'd come expecting to start every game. His ego would be massaged by the fans for the extra dimension he would give us even in a cameo role.

He'd be free to express himself and he'll be loved for it. Just to be involved as we attack PL and CL would be massive for him.

Then there's the SAF factor - he can only be a benefit to our squad :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally agree! As I said before; PDC is a player who are desperate to prove that he can perform at the highest level (that means not to play captein with bastard west ham). CL itself will make him perform better than he has done for years, and he will realize that he will be signed as a third choice. He knows this season (and maybe the next) is his last chance to make it to the books...
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Originally posted by radd:
<strong>RedIndian....:


we "failed to win" the CL because the players who turned up on the days of the 2 semis played poorly and without inspiration, the defence made silly errors, esp. Ronnie in the 2nd leg

all this talk of us losing, that too on away goals because of formations and injuries is nonsense,
the fact is the 11 who took the field in both games were more than capable of winning, they didn't perform when they had to (with, as almost always, the exception of Keano)</strong><hr></blockquote>

totally agree.
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RedIndian:
The defenced din't let us down against Levrkursen at the arena. It was our finishing.

conceding 2 goals at home in a 2-leg fixture seems adequate defending to you?
and by defending, it's not just the back 4 and Fab, there has to be protection from the MF as well...

anyway, my point is that no aspect of our game was anything to write home about and to claim that di Canio would have risen off the bench and magically transformed the afternoon is a little silly, and doesn't focus on the problem - we have the players, they just have to perform when the going get tough...
 
Give credit to Bayer. Apart from the first leg where Phizza fecked up in the second leg their goal wss clas imo. But for some strange reasonwe simply couldn't hit the back of their net. To make it even more embarassing Forlan nearly became our hero with all the bad luck he was having. Hence we crashed out. :(


Forlan will shine this season however :)
 
Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
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Forlan will shine this season however :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, I'm starting to believe he will
:D
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Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
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Forlan will shine this season however :) </strong><hr></blockquote>


I think if you go back far enough into the archives, I made a post suggesting that Forlan should play in midfield, to take the pressure off him by not being expected to score.

A few people didn't think it a good idea tho.

:D
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that's a good idea, great backup on both flanks, but i think Diego wants very much to score, to be a forward, plus which, we're short of strikers as it is
if one of the reserves comes through and we buy a striker, he could be converted...

or did you mean, use him on the wings initially to take the pressure off, and then send him forward when he's settled in?
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I think if you go back far enough into the archives, I made a post suggesting that Forlan should play in midfield, to take the pressure off him by not being expected to score.

A few people didn't think it a good idea tho.

:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Only as a last ditch option for when Giggs is missing surely.

He will have put his failure score last season behind him. He scored in the WC and bagged a beaut of a free kick the other night. Last season was a bedding in period.

He'll be ready to prove himself when the campaign starts :)
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Forlan was a forward at Independiente, scoring hatfuls of goals for fun, left foot, right foot, headers, outside the area or tap-ins. Just because its taken time to settle, doesn't mean he should be forced to become a midfielder instead of what he is. However, he is a fantastic passer and crosser of the ball, especially for a forward, so I know where you are coming from. However surely this just makes him a good candidate for the link striker role that Di Canio is being touted for?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Forlan was a forward at Independiente, scoring hatfuls of goals for fun, left foot, right foot, headers, outside the area or tap-ins. Just because its taken time to settle, doesn't mean he should be forced to become a midfielder instead of what he is. However, he is a fantastic passer and crosser of the ball, especially for a forward, so I know where you are coming from. However surely this just makes him a good candidate for the link striker role that Di Canio is being touted for?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Excellent point + he looks like he can run all day !
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no doubt

but if Scholes finds form early in the season, he might be doing the link-work, really that position is tailormade for him, said so himself - let last season go, what do you say?
 
Originally posted by radd:
<strong>no doubt

but if Scholes finds form early in the season, he might be doing the link-work, really that position is tailormade for him, said so himself - let last season go, what do you say?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It looked like it, but I think last season actually showed that its not as made for him as we thought. He's best running into the area from midfield, he's not good at dealing with defenders which a link striker also has to do - you can't always just sit back, you have to be a striker too.
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Originally posted by radd:
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or did you mean, use him on the wings initially to take the pressure off, and then send him forward when he's settled in?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes.

It's too early for me to say which position I think best suits him.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>I think we might be signing Di Canio this week

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Got sources in London sports companies now, hey?
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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It looked like it, but I think last season actually showed that its not as made for him as we thought. He's best running into the area from midfield, he's not good at dealing with defenders which a link striker also has to do - you can't always just sit back, you have to be a striker too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Great point Neil..I agree. In addition Scholes comes back often to help the midfield instinctly and that leaves RUDD all alone....
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I went to the United v Shells game with Banannaman. I was so impressed with Forlan. I have alwasy admired to the point that BHManUNut and the lads say he's my best mate; but aside from that I have always said he will come good. There are too many people that doubt so quickly - The "Sell Veron" issue falls into this catagory aswell. I said last season that Forlan will come good, and you can see already in pre-season friendlies that he has the fire in his belly. Yes I know it was only Shells and he gave the ball away on a number of occasions when a simple pass was on the cards, but he looked one of the most lively players on the pitch.

[Barry Manalow tune - Showgirl blah blah]

His name's Diego, Diego Forlan
He wears a band so he can tie up
All his curly hair
He looks like Sally, Sally Gunnel
He's gonna score a lot of goals from everywhere

;)
 
Forlan was fantastic in yesterdays match vs Vålerenga too... Had a beautiful "Veron"-like pass/assist to Keano, and worked hard for 90 minutes.... Had great passes, moved around and was constantly an option for passes. If he continues like he has started, he will become player of the year.

An instant hit and possible suporter pet, considering both his background and the way he plays <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
England. Hadn't noticed you on the forum before, most new posters come on here and make a complete cock of themselves - shocked to see you not do so yet. Why don't you start a new thread off slating one of our players to keep up the tradition like?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>England. Hadn't noticed you on the forum before, most new posters come on here and make a complete cock of themselves - shocked to see you not do so yet. Why don't you start a new thread off slating one of our players to keep up the tradition like?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Unlike good ole' Neilo here who consistantly presents himself in such a wonderful manner. Arrrghh he's been sailin this ship now for 10 year. Actually our Neilo is so amazing that when he came on here first he managed to never make a "cock" of himself ;)
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Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
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Unlike good ole' Neilo here who consistantly presents himself in such a wonderful manner. Arrrghh he's been sailin this ship now for 10 year. Actually our Neilo is so amazing that when he came on here first he managed to never make a "cock" of himself ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
My thoughts exactly. :D ;)
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