Paolo Di Canio

Originally posted by Davo:
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Its because you need to have the last word in any debate....

Because you're an old woman</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ironically, the same could be said about yourself

And I still don't understand all the daft questions you asked above
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Ironically, the same could be said about yourself

And I still don't understand all the daft questions you asked above</strong><hr></blockquote>

See...

You find me tiresome and yet cannot stand the thought of not replying...

And I didn't expect you to understand...
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Why? No more than 3-4 people (including Kenyon and Sir Alex) no everything that's going on at the club.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd like to butt in at this stage and say that if this is the case I find it very odd that Boring posts his insider info from the Sports Management company. Surely they must know absolutely sfa about the goings on at United???
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I think that's been stated already.

But, what's the reason for it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No it hadn't...

You said that you didn't understand the questions, to which I replied that I knew you wouldn't....I then advised that you wouldn't understand the reasons for your failure to grasp the nature of the questions...

There's two seperate things that you've failed to understand...
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Originally posted by Dans:
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I'd like to butt in at this stage and say that if this is the case I find it very odd that Boring posts his insider info from the Sports Management company. Surely they must know absolutely sfa about the goings on at United???</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh Dear, Mr Miserable Mongo has turned up as well now.

Surely agents and the likes do know things going on at football clubs, don't you think? Obviously not everything though.
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many of you couldn't see Rivaldo in the 11, because of his attitude and ego
secondly, football reasons: that he'd upset the style of play
of course, i disagreed, and pointed out that Rivaldo could be used in different ways, either as a deep linking forward or p-box poacher

but with di Canio, i have to say he's trouble and more trouble than Rivaldo, because he simply has to be the boss,

first, Keano and di Canio together on the pitch? we risk imploding...

second, di Canio and Veron vying for possession? could turn out to be a nightmare...

if we're gonna play Veron, (and that means play Veron-style) he has to be the one who controls the play, it simply doesn't work any other way for him, and to combine with that, it's better to have good finishers in Ruud and Ole playing up front, rather than 'hole' players ...

third, it made sense in Jan. when a short-term solution was required, but now we should be looking at building a base of 4 forwards who have a few years in them, playing together - it's not that we need 'youth' but we certainly don't need a 34 y.o. on his last legs - unless the board's going to bid for Ronaldinho next summer, di Canio is a bad idea
on that track, how many think he has more than a season at the top level left in him? 3m for one season doesn't seem like a good option to me now, when there is still time to look around for a 4th striker...

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1) With the fact that we can only spend a few millions, PDC is the (only) solution.
2) He adds something to the attacking part.
3) Short term solutions may be the only answer, a team must consist of these kind of players as well as young talent.
4) You would probably have said the same when SAF picked up Cantona...
5) IF we did go for Crespo, Rivaldo, Jardel or some other high valued super star, how would you tell OGS and RVN? We need a super sub, if thats gonna be OGS/PDC or Forlan. With Crespo things could really fall apart in terms of the promising start by RVN/OGS/Forlan
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Originally posted by Davo:
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No it hadn't...

You said that you didn't understand the questions, to which I replied that I knew you wouldn't....I then advised that you wouldn't understand the reasons for your failure to grasp the nature of the questions...

There's two seperate things that you've failed to understand...</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
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Originally posted by Dans:
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I'd like to butt in at this stage and say that if this is the case I find it very odd that Boring posts his insider info from the Sports Management company. Surely they must know absolutely sfa about the goings on at United???</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh if only you knew!!!

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Is a likely response from the boring old woman...
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Didn't you understand that?

Didn't think you would....
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Oh if only you knew!!!

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Is a likely response from the boring old woman...</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Are you suggesting I'm predictable? Because if you are, then that's very rich, considering you're as predictable as they come.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Are you suggesting I'm predictable? Because if you are, then that's very rich, considering you're as predictable as they come.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I knew you were going to say that..
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Funny that, I knew that would be your reply

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

So you say..


But then you're reknowned for making things up..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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So you say..


But then you're reknowned for making things up..</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wasn't aware I was 'reknowned' (sic) for anything..

And I'm also unaware of me making anything up <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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I'm not sure about PDC. Last year when we needed something he would have been fine but now at the start of a new season I dont think he is the solution. He has a suspect temprament and that is something the better CL teams will try to exploit.
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I wasn't aware I was 'reknowned' (sic) for anything..

And I'm also unaware of me making anything up :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well in that case I bring you bad news..

You're renowned for making stuff up..
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posted by thumper:
I'm not sure about PDC. Last year when we needed something he would have been fine but now at the start of a new season I dont think he is the solution. He has a suspect temprament and that is something the better CL teams will try to exploit.<hr></blockquote>

Same goes with Becks/Keano. Look at some simple facts:
1) We need a 4th striker to nail the PL
2) If one of our strikers are injured, the season could be long and painful when the CL season starts
3) We cant afford to buy a striker worth more than a few million. Äll this sums up with one name PDC!
That is if the west ham bastards doesn`t price the player up...
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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So, what have I made up?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can't you remember?

I believe this is a common problem for those with a tendency to lie..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Can't you remember?

I believe this is a common problem for those with a tendency to lie..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shit reply Davo

You're accusing me of making stuff up, surely you're man enough to tell me what I've made up
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Shit reply Davo

You're accusing me of making stuff up, surely you're man enough to tell me what I've made up</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did I accuse you of making stuff up?

I said that you were renowned for it...

Looks like you've had trouble understanding once again...

So your reply was a bit shit really wasn't it?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Did I accuse you of making stuff up?

I said that you were renowned for it...

Looks like you've had trouble understanding once again...

So your reply was a bit shit really wasn't it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Renowned or reknowned?

So who think I'm making stuff up?

Do you believe I'm making stuff up?
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Renowned or reknowned?

So who think I'm making stuff up?

Do you believe I'm making stuff up?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who think what?

I've told you...I think you're being played for a fool by those nasty Sports Management types..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Who think what?

I've told you...I think you're being played for a fool by those nasty Sports Management types..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Pity to see an interesting debate become an ego issue Davo
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PAOLO DI CANIO`S agent has insisted there has been no new offer from Manchester United for the Italian, but did admit that a move to Old Trafford would be the highlight of his career.
Following the sale of Dwight Yorke to Blackburn, talk of United resurrecting their interest in the West Ham ace has been a hot topic of conversation in the tabloid press.

The player`s agent has revealed that the former Celtic man feels proud to be linked with The Red Devils, but is still perfectly happy at Upton Park.

Speaking to planetfootball.com about the link with United, Matteo Roggi said: "There has been no contact at all, all we know is what we are reading in the papers.

"It is clear that Mr Ferguson likes him as a player, but it is the same situation as last year.

"I think probably now the situation is right for a transfer as Paolo is a Bosman at the end of the season, so West Ham will say what has to be offered, and with Yorke being sold also means they could be looking.

"We are here and the people from Man United have got our number, so if anything is to be done they will call us."

Roggi added that the gifted forward feels a great sense of pride at being linked with a move to the Theatre of Dreams.

"It makes Paolo feel proud that Man United are looking at him.

"He would like it to happen, but he is perfectly happy at West Ham.

"But you never know what can happen in football.

"If something happens, it will be the cherry on the cake of his career, but if it does not happen Paolo will still have a great season."

Di Canio was troubled by injuries last term, but Roggi feels the 34-year-old is ready to show his top form next season.

Roggi revealed: "He is as fit as he has ever been. He had some tests in Italy over the summer and they showed he is stronger now than when he was at AC Milan.

"He is like a fine scotch, he is getting better with age."
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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PAOLO DI CANIO`S agent has insisted there has been no new offer from Manchester United for the Italian, but did admit that a move to Old Trafford would be the highlight of his career.
Following the sale of Dwight Yorke to Blackburn, talk of United resurrecting their interest in the West Ham ace has been a hot topic of conversation in the tabloid press.

Thanks Raoul. Nice to come and talk again on this subject

The player`s agent has revealed that the former Celtic man feels proud to be linked with The Red Devils, but is still perfectly happy at Upton Park.

Speaking to planetfootball.com about the link with United, Matteo Roggi said: "There has been no contact at all, all we know is what we are reading in the papers.

"It is clear that Mr Ferguson likes him as a player, but it is the same situation as last year.

"I think probably now the situation is right for a transfer as Paolo is a Bosman at the end of the season, so West Ham will say what has to be offered, and with Yorke being sold also means they could be looking.

"We are here and the people from Man United have got our number, so if anything is to be done they will call us."

Roggi added that the gifted forward feels a great sense of pride at being linked with a move to the Theatre of Dreams.

"It makes Paolo feel proud that Man United are looking at him.

"He would like it to happen, but he is perfectly happy at West Ham.

"But you never know what can happen in football.

"If something happens, it will be the cherry on the cake of his career, but if it does not happen Paolo will still have a great season."

Di Canio was troubled by injuries last term, but Roggi feels the 34-year-old is ready to show his top form next season.

Roggi revealed: "He is as fit as he has ever been. He had some tests in Italy over the summer and they showed he is stronger now than when he was at AC Milan.

"He is like a fine scotch, he is getting better with age."</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by sunny:
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Pity to see an interesting debate become an ego issue Davo</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah sorry about that..

I just wanted to see if you were buying PDC, but Boring gets a bit arsey when he doesn't have inside knowedge...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Yeah sorry about that..

I just wanted to see if you were buying PDC, but Boring gets a bit arsey when he doesn't have inside knowedge...</strong><hr></blockquote>

True but I guess you did not have any inside knowledge about Patrice Luzi either
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Originally posted by fortyseven:
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...and Arsey gets a bit boring, don't you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are you implying that I'm arsey?

I'm a friendly sort...I think you've got the wrong bloke...
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Originally posted by sunny:
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True but I guess you did not have any inside knowledge about Patrice Luzi either</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've never heard of him till today...I have no inside information...

Unlike Boring, who knows some Sports Management types

They know everything
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Are you implying that I'm arsey?

I'm a friendly sort...I think you've got the wrong bloke...</strong><hr></blockquote>

We know youre not arsey Davo..Just Poo thats all
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Originally posted by Davo:
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I've never heard of him till today...I have no inside information...

Unlike Boring, who knows some Sports Management types

They know everything</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but at the end it does not matter. IMO Di Canio is obviously a good choice. However with the team away I'm not sure of something very soon
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Originally posted by Davo:
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I've never heard of him till today...I have no inside information...

Unlike Boring, who knows some Sports Management types

They know everything</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but at the end it does not matter. IMO Di Canio is obviously a good choice given the financial quotes by Kenyon and Fergies insistence on continuing with the 4 5 1
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originally posted by : neo2002

1) With the fact that we can only spend a few millions, PDC is the (only) solution.
2) He adds something to the attacking part.
3) Short term solutions may be the only answer, a team must consist of these kind of players as well as young talent.
4) You would probably have said the same when SAF picked up Cantona...
5) IF we did go for Crespo, Rivaldo, Jardel or some other high valued super star, how would you tell OGS and RVN? We need a super sub, if thats gonna be OGS/PDC or Forlan. With Crespo things could really fall apart in terms of the promising start by RVN/OGS/Forlan
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originally posted by : neo2002

Same goes with Becks/Keano. Look at some simple facts:
1) We need a 4th striker to nail the PL
2) If one of our strikers are injured, the season could be long and painful when the CL season starts
3) We cant afford to buy a striker worth more than a few million. Äll this sums up with one name PDC!
That is if the west ham bastards doesn`t price the player up...

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Part I
1. we do not KNOW that we can only spend a few millions - that's pure speculation - the FACT is that we're only paying 14m and change for Rio this season...

2.if you read my post again (please do so), you will find that i have never questioned his rather obvious ability, instead posited that he would have trouble adjusting to the fact that Keano is the cap. and leader, and
that he would want to take on the playmaking responsibility which would leave Veron out on a limb, that there would not be enough of the ball to satisfy either of them, and both as we've seen, if not at their best can be liabilites...

3. it takes all sorts to build a squad, yes, but as i've said in my post, the alternative to a 20 y.o. is not someone who's 34.
i asked how many believed PdC would last more than one season at the top - i see you've chosen to ignore that...

4.i don't believe Cantona was 34 when AF signed him, more importantly the past has little to do with present or future situations that are unique, let's keep this one to di Canio, please...

5.all those mentioned by you are proven goal-scorers - "super-subs" have to be capable of scoring from the bench, (i asked if anyone had the stats on his goal-scoring record), let's not bring all these other names into the mix without knowing how di Canio can be used - for example as a penalty-box poacher? i don't believe he has either the inclination or the mental discipline to do that if need be...
on the other hand, both Ruud and Ole can be used deeper if needed, admittedly without the playmaking ability of di Canio, but that's why we paid 28.1m for Veron, we also have Scholes, Becks and Giggs to orchestrate the moves...
i never suggested Crespo, i'm not sure where that came up, maybe one of the other threads has something on Crespo...
as far as getting some "high-valued superstar" and having to tell Ruud and Ole, i didn't suggest that, so once more i suggest you read my previous post again...


part II
1.we need a 4th striker for the PL who is a proven, consistent goal-getter - i do not believe that is di Canio, plus which, he does not strike me as someone who would wear the tag '3rd choice' very well...
2.this thread is not about 'do we need a 4th striker?', but instead 'is di Canio is that 4th striker?', and also, apparently,
about Boring being/not being, an old woman and Davo being/not being tiresome and or arsey...
also see 1. (part II) above

3.see point 1 (Part I) above.

if you doubt that Keano and Becks have the temperament to play at the highest level, week in, week out, you'll find that most peeps on this forum would disagree with you, because they have been doing precisely that for a good few years now...
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keano and becks might have the same problem with temper as PDC, he isn`t worse than keano... I have read your previous posts, and im not totally against you, only trying to state that IF there isn`t more money than the Disco cash, PDC is the only option - and the fact that SAF admires him - only makes it clear that he might be of some value for the team and bring another style of play to the squad. Im sure that PDC himself would look at this possible move as his last chance to win a trophy, and show all the sceptics (yourself included) that you are dead wrong about his qlty.

He would probably last for two seasons, i guess. But next summer we can get that "man for the future" that you obviously wants now. This is a matter of getting a player to register for the CL, and having a 4th striker before the transfers are put on hold.

I agree with you that the best thing would be to buy another striker, one with more than 1 or 2 seasons left in his career. But PDC will deliver, and to things RVN/OLE isnt capable of. Eric Cantona was the Messiah when he came in (you`re right, that was a different time), but PDC could have that same effect. And if he doesn`t - hell, he did only cost us small change... <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
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