Owen Hargreaves | 2009/10 Performances

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Injections of what, I wonder?
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I assumed steroids but what do I know? I can bluff my way through a wee bit of sports medicine but get out my depth pretty quickly!

Got a PM from one of the newbies - called Thoraximus -whose old man is a surgeon.

Hi Pogue,

I'm still a newbie so can't reply in that Hargo thread. My father is a surgeon and was just talking to him about United, and Hargo, just thought I'd pass on about the injections..they are Aprotinin which apparently help tendinopathies by restoring the enzyme balance in the tendon in the knee.

It's totally normal and people shouldn't worry, it will definitely be a part of his treatment plan.

Feel free to post this info, may put some people's minds at rest!
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Pogue Mahone said:
I assumed steroids but what do I know? I can bluff my way through a wee bit of sports medicine but get out my depth pretty quickly!

Got a PM from one of the newbies - called Thoraximus -whose old man is a surgeon.
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Thanks, Poque and Thoraximus.

'Restoring enzyme balance' sounds like something off a Yakult advert, but I hope it works even if I don't understand it.
 
The German/English/Canadian thing has been mentioned before. A quirky hybrid of German and English yes, but i'm just not hearing anything resembling a Canadian accent at all.
 
As much as we could have hoped for tonight, lets hope it does not take too long before he is ready for the first team
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I assumed steroids but what do I know? I can bluff my way through a wee bit of sports medicine but get out my depth pretty quickly!

Got a PM from one of the newbies - called Thoraximus -whose old man is a surgeon.
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Basically he had a patellar tendinopathy, which comes from overuse of the tendon below the kneecap. Ya can end up overusing it for one of a million reasons, it might be that he had an unusual technique of kicking the ball, or running, that he jumped a lot or had flat feet (though I doubt that's the issue). Rafa Nadal is the same, again I'm not sure why his is but again I assume it's just some anomaly in his technique.

The issue with tendinopathys is that it's not a normal tear, nor is there inflammation involved (hence the death of the term tendinitis, and replacing it with tendinopathy). What you get is degeneration of the tendon, and new small tiny blood vessels appear in the tendon and they cause pain. Usually the way I'd manage that is with a certain type of squats because they put
so much strain through the tendon it obliterates these new blood vessels (or neovascularisation).

Again, I'm assuming this didn't work with Hargreaves. So then he ended up needing the surgery. I'm not overly sure what this involves to be honest, because my patients don't have access to Dr. Richard Steadman, but I'm assuming they cut out a big chunk of the shit tendons and replace them with a graft from somewhere else.

This brings us to where we are now with Hargreaves. It's basically a case of seeing where he is on a daily basis and how he's doing.
 
Reminds me of what they used to do in Horse Racing with a supposed tendon injury, when they 'fired it' with a hot iron and put it in a field for a year to recover.

Now reckoned the 'firing' did feck-all, but the year's rest often worked.
 
fearghal said:
Basically he had a patellar tendinopathy, which comes from overuse of the tendon below the kneecap. Ya can end up overusing it for one of a million reasons, it might be that he had an unusual technique of kicking the ball, or running, that he jumped a lot or had flat feet...
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Hargreaves said his tendinitis came from when he broke his leg. He returned too soon and rather than his muscle around the knee taking all the strain it was his tendon.

It was something like that anyway.
 
cw1984 said:
Hargreaves said his tendinitis came from when he broke his leg. He returned too soon and rather than his muscle around the knee taking all the strain it was his tendon.

It was something like that anyway.
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Yep. Thats what he said.

"I didn't have the same quality muscle as before," Hargreaves told the Daily Telegraph.

"Instead of muscles taking the shock absorption, my tendon was.

"It wasn't dealt with the way it should have been initially.

"I saw so-called specialists who said 'this is what you need and you will have absolutely no reaction' and I had a massive reaction.

"You like to think you will get the best advice possible but that is not always possible."
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fearghal said:
Basically he had a patellar tendinopathy, which comes from overuse of the tendon below the kneecap. Ya can end up overusing it for one of a million reasons, it might be that he had an unusual technique of kicking the ball, or running, that he jumped a lot or had flat feet (though I doubt that's the issue). Rafa Nadal is the same, again I'm not sure why his is but again I assume it's just some anomaly in his technique.

The issue with tendinopathys is that it's not a normal tear, nor is there inflammation involved (hence the death of the term tendinitis, and replacing it with tendinopathy). What you get is degeneration of the tendon, and new small tiny blood vessels appear in the tendon and they cause pain. Usually the way I'd manage that is with a certain type of squats because they put
so much strain through the tendon it obliterates these new blood vessels (or neovascularisation).

Again, I'm assuming this didn't work with Hargreaves. So then he ended up needing the surgery. I'm not overly sure what this involves to be honest, because my patients don't have access to Dr. Richard Steadman, but I'm assuming they cut out a big chunk of the shit tendons and replace them with a graft from somewhere else.

This brings us to where we are now with Hargreaves. It's basically a case of seeing where he is on a daily basis and how he's doing.
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Very informative, you know your stuff
 
Raoul said:
The German/English/Canadian thing has been mentioned before. A quirky hybrid of German and English yes, but i'm just not hearing anything resembling a Canadian accent at all.
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I think he says aboot instead of about :p
 
fearghal said:
...my patients don't have access to Dr. Richard Steadman, but I'm assuming they cut out a big chunk of the shit tendons and replace them with a graft from somewhere else.
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Nice informative post.

On a side note, does anyone remember Gary Walsh having some operation (on his wrist I think) back in the 90s when he was with us that involved grafting on some goat bone or something?

When I mention this, people think I'm making it up. :wenger:
 
Delighted that he's back playing in any form, and I really hope that this is something that can be managed and he can get back to being a footballer
 
Raoul said:
Some footage of him during the match at the beginning of this one.

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Some sexy little turns in that vid, god he'd have been great in our midfield had he been injury free.. hope this isn't a false dawn.
 
Mockney said:
I thought this. That's really not what he sounds like in most of his interviews....he's regressed back to his Bayern days somehow
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Perhaps we have replaced the Man Utd Hargreaves with an improved Hargreaves accompanied with German reliability.
 
Finally back. Great addition for the next months.

We are gonna be stronger in midfield with him now.
 
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