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I don't get all this confidence bollocks. He's either match-fit or he's not match-fit. I've never heard of any other player having confidence issues when coming back into matches.

When Solskjaer returned, as soon as he got fit he was put right back into the squad.

I don't know what to believe with Hargreaves.

Having torn my knee ligaments, and had 3/4 of the cartlidge removed myself after knackering my knee whilst training, it took me a while to come back. When I did make a comeback, I was weary of the knee and though I probably got it back to 95%, I wasn't confident felt some thing with the knee and ended up with a second op, which the surgeon basically said all they did was hoover up some debris in the knee. I got the knee back and I returned to playing. From my own experience I can understand Hargreaves lack of confidence, something very minor and you think it's trouble. Add to the fact that if this doesn't work he's finished, and that's obviously playing on his mind, not wanting to (a) risk rushing back and (b) not wanting to risk any major tackles just in case.

During the madness that is the transfer deadline day, one of the rumours on the BBC website was that we were going to send Hargreaves to Preston for some match practise, which wouldn't have been a bad idea. However it was just a rumour that never got off the ground.
 
Owen Hargreaves struggling to make World Cup finals | Football - Times Online

Owen Hargreaves struggling to make World Cup finals

Fabio Capello’s hopes of having Owen Hargreaves fit for the World Cup finals have suffered another huge blow after Sir Alex Ferguson removed the Manchester United midfield player from his Champions League squad.

Ferguson’s decision raises fresh doubts about the player’s chances of returning to action this season. Hargreaves has been sidelined for the past 16½ months after having operations on both knees to cure chronic tendinitis that has restricted him to 25 starts for United since his projected £20.2 million move from Bayern Munich in July 2007.

Ferguson, the United manager, claimed last week that he hoped to have Hargreaves available for the first leg of his team’s Champions League round-of-16 tie away to AC Milan on Tuesday week.

But the decision to replace him with Ritchie de Laet, a 21-year-old full back who has made only four starts, in the revised 25-man squad submitted to Uefa this week for the Champions League knockout phase is a worrying turn of events for United and England.

Ferguson included Hargreaves in his original 25 for the Champions League group stage in the belief that the player would be back at the start of November, but although Hargreaves had always had last month in mind as a more realistic return date, his failure to make even a reserve-team appearance by now is a cause for concern.

As the only world-class midfield anchorman available to Capello, Hargreaves would bring an added dimension to England’s midfield and give the Italian more options, but the chances of him being ready for South Africa appear to be fading fast.

Ferguson suggested last week that Hargreaves was suffering from a crisis of confidence after so long out. “Owen is alternating his training with the reserve and first-team squads, working for two days and then resting a day,” Ferguson wrote in his programme notes to preview the second leg of United’s Carling Cup semi-final against Manchester City at Old Trafford eight days ago. “It’s a matter of him regaining his confidence and when he is able to train every day, that will be the moment for him to return to match play.”

Hargreaves is contracted to United until June next year, but if he fails to prove his fitness this season, Ferguson may be forced into the transfer market for a defensive midfield player in the summer, a situation the manager hopes to avoid, given that the majority of his transfer budget is likely to be earmarked for at least one more striker, a creative midfield player and another defender, should Nemanja Vidic leave.

Hargreaves’s most recent appearance came in the 1-1 Barclays Premier League draw away to Chelsea in September 2008, since when Dr Richard Steadman, the world renowned knee surgeon, performed two operations and oversaw the player’s rehabilitation in the United States.

Rio Ferdinand’s appeal hearing over the increased ban he received for violent conduct is unlikely to take place before United’s league match away to Aston Villa on Wednesday. The defender was banned for three games for an incident involving Craig Fagan, the Hull City striker, during United’s 4-0 win last month and given an additional one-match suspension after an FA independent regulatory commission ruled that his decision to contest the charge was “frivolous”.

Ryan Giggs, the United midfield player, has said that Wayne Rooney is “getting nearer that group” of Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Kaká, the players widely acknowledged to be the best in the world.

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Aside from the whole Hargo issue, I find it funny that The Times - who last week claimed Smalling's signing was a step towards Vidic's sale - now says we will bring in another centerhalf IF Vidic leaves.
 
Owen Hargreaves struggling to make World Cup finals | Football - Times Online

Owen Hargreaves struggling to make World Cup finals

Fabio Capello’s hopes of having Owen Hargreaves fit for the World Cup finals have suffered another huge blow after Sir Alex Ferguson removed the Manchester United midfield player from his Champions League squad.

Ferguson’s decision raises fresh doubts about the player’s chances of returning to action this season. Hargreaves has been sidelined for the past 16½ months after having operations on both knees to cure chronic tendinitis that has restricted him to 25 starts for United since his projected £20.2 million move from Bayern Munich in July 2007.

Ferguson, the United manager, claimed last week that he hoped to have Hargreaves available for the first leg of his team’s Champions League round-of-16 tie away to AC Milan on Tuesday week.

But the decision to replace him with Ritchie de Laet, a 21-year-old full back who has made only four starts, in the revised 25-man squad submitted to Uefa this week for the Champions League knockout phase is a worrying turn of events for United and England.

Ferguson included Hargreaves in his original 25 for the Champions League group stage in the belief that the player would be back at the start of November, but although Hargreaves had always had last month in mind as a more realistic return date, his failure to make even a reserve-team appearance by now is a cause for concern.

As the only world-class midfield anchorman available to Capello, Hargreaves would bring an added dimension to England’s midfield and give the Italian more options, but the chances of him being ready for South Africa appear to be fading fast.

Ferguson suggested last week that Hargreaves was suffering from a crisis of confidence after so long out. “Owen is alternating his training with the reserve and first-team squads, working for two days and then resting a day,” Ferguson wrote in his programme notes to preview the second leg of United’s Carling Cup semi-final against Manchester City at Old Trafford eight days ago. “It’s a matter of him regaining his confidence and when he is able to train every day, that will be the moment for him to return to match play.”

Hargreaves is contracted to United until June next year, but if he fails to prove his fitness this season, Ferguson may be forced into the transfer market for a defensive midfield player in the summer, a situation the manager hopes to avoid, given that the majority of his transfer budget is likely to be earmarked for at least one more striker, a creative midfield player and another defender, should Nemanja Vidic leave.

Hargreaves’s most recent appearance came in the 1-1 Barclays Premier League draw away to Chelsea in September 2008, since when Dr Richard Steadman, the world renowned knee surgeon, performed two operations and oversaw the player’s rehabilitation in the United States.

Rio Ferdinand’s appeal hearing over the increased ban he received for violent conduct is unlikely to take place before United’s league match away to Aston Villa on Wednesday. The defender was banned for three games for an incident involving Craig Fagan, the Hull City striker, during United’s 4-0 win last month and given an additional one-match suspension after an FA independent regulatory commission ruled that his decision to contest the charge was “frivolous”.

Ryan Giggs, the United midfield player, has said that Wayne Rooney is “getting nearer that group” of Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Kaká, the players widely acknowledged to be the best in the world.

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Aside from the whole Hargo issue, I find it funny that The Times - who last week claimed Smalling's signing was a step towards Vidic's sale - now says we will bring in another centerhalf IF Vidic leaves.

Times = fantasist cnuts
 
Owen Hargreaves struggling to make World Cup finals | Football - Times Online

Owen Hargreaves struggling to make World Cup finals

Fabio Capello’s hopes of having Owen Hargreaves fit for the World Cup finals have suffered another huge blow after Sir Alex Ferguson removed the Manchester United midfield player from his Champions League squad.

Ferguson’s decision raises fresh doubts about the player’s chances of returning to action this season. Hargreaves has been sidelined for the past 16½ months after having operations on both knees to cure chronic tendinitis that has restricted him to 25 starts for United since his projected £20.2 million move from Bayern Munich in July 2007.

Ferguson, the United manager, claimed last week that he hoped to have Hargreaves available for the first leg of his team’s Champions League round-of-16 tie away to AC Milan on Tuesday week.

But the decision to replace him with Ritchie de Laet, a 21-year-old full back who has made only four starts, in the revised 25-man squad submitted to Uefa this week for the Champions League knockout phase is a worrying turn of events for United and England.

Ferguson included Hargreaves in his original 25 for the Champions League group stage in the belief that the player would be back at the start of November, but although Hargreaves had always had last month in mind as a more realistic return date, his failure to make even a reserve-team appearance by now is a cause for concern.

As the only world-class midfield anchorman available to Capello, Hargreaves would bring an added dimension to England’s midfield and give the Italian more options, but the chances of him being ready for South Africa appear to be fading fast.

Ferguson suggested last week that Hargreaves was suffering from a crisis of confidence after so long out. “Owen is alternating his training with the reserve and first-team squads, working for two days and then resting a day,” Ferguson wrote in his programme notes to preview the second leg of United’s Carling Cup semi-final against Manchester City at Old Trafford eight days ago. “It’s a matter of him regaining his confidence and when he is able to train every day, that will be the moment for him to return to match play.”

Hargreaves is contracted to United until June next year, but if he fails to prove his fitness this season, Ferguson may be forced into the transfer market for a defensive midfield player in the summer, a situation the manager hopes to avoid, given that the majority of his transfer budget is likely to be earmarked for at least one more striker, a creative midfield player and another defender, should Nemanja Vidic leave.

Hargreaves’s most recent appearance came in the 1-1 Barclays Premier League draw away to Chelsea in September 2008, since when Dr Richard Steadman, the world renowned knee surgeon, performed two operations and oversaw the player’s rehabilitation in the United States.

Rio Ferdinand’s appeal hearing over the increased ban he received for violent conduct is unlikely to take place before United’s league match away to Aston Villa on Wednesday. The defender was banned for three games for an incident involving Craig Fagan, the Hull City striker, during United’s 4-0 win last month and given an additional one-match suspension after an FA independent regulatory commission ruled that his decision to contest the charge was “frivolous”.

Ryan Giggs, the United midfield player, has said that Wayne Rooney is “getting nearer that group” of Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Kaká, the players widely acknowledged to be the best in the world.

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Aside from the whole Hargo issue, I find it funny that The Times - who last week claimed Smalling's signing was a step towards Vidic's sale - now says we will bring in another centerhalf IF Vidic leaves.

They say IF now so they can look ahead of the pack when they decide to break an "exclusive" that Vidic is going on holidays NEAR Spain, and that he's gona nip over to Madrid to sign a contract
 
Surely De Laet has been added to the squad in place of O'Shea?

EDIT - didn't realise Hargreaves was in the squad named at the beginning of the season. Who else has been added to the squad then?
 
If he has been omitted from the CL squad then it does not look good at all, although I would like to hear confirmation. Our worst fears could be realised
 
If he had the condition before he arrived, how the feck did our medical staff give him the all-clear in his medical? It's an absolute scandal that our £18m investment has only appeared in 25 games in nearly 3 years.

How come we waited and waited for Hargreaves? There was better, cheaper, and less injury-prone talent available for us to sign. Mascherano, Palacios, Yaya Toure, and Diarra to name a few, were all players available during the year we waited to sign him at a cheaper price than what he eventually cost.

Bayern must have laughed all the way to the bank.
 
If he had the condition before he arrived, how the feck did our medical staff give him the all-clear in his medical? It's an absolute scandal that our £18m investment has only appeared in 25 games in nearly 3 years.

How come we waited and waited for Hargreaves? There was better, cheaper, and less injury-prone talent available for us to sign. Mascherano, Palacios, Yaya Toure, and Diarra to name a few, were all players available during the year we waited to sign him at a cheaper price than what he eventually cost.

Bayern must have laughed all the way to the bank.

We were all set to sign Senna for £3.5 million werent we? Before we fecked him around trying to get a deal done for Hargreaves, and he told us where to stick it.
 
We were all set to sign Senna for £3.5 million werent we? Before we fecked him around trying to get a deal done for Hargreaves, and he told us where to stick it.

Yeah I remember that. We could have used Senna during that season aswell. The lack of a ball-winner in Milan was a major reason for getting our arse handed to us by Kaka and Seedorf.

Lassana Diarra is the one I'm gutted about though. Chelsea sold him to Arsenal for £2m whilst we sat with our thumb up our arse waiting for the man Casualty was based on :annoyed:
 

Not sure whats so funny about what he said, the last time Hargreaves played for England at a major international tournament he was by a country mile our best player and easily one of the best in that role in the world at the time, just because injury has hampered him since dosnt change that.

Some people have very short memories, Hargreaves is a top player when fit.
 
Not sure whats so funny about what he said, the last time Hargreaves played for England at a major international tournament he was by a country mile our best player and easily one of the best in that role in the world at the time, just because injury has hampered him since dosnt change that.

Some people have very short memories, Hargreaves is a top player when fit.

Finally someone with some sense. He'll be back to his best eventually. He wasn't a waste of money, regardless of what service he's done so far. The Brazilian Ronaldo had similar problems 10 years ago but he still came back and returned to be BPITW
 
Not sure whats so funny about what he said, the last time Hargreaves played for England at a major international tournament he was by a country mile our best player and easily one of the best in that role in the world at the time, just because injury has hampered him since dosnt change that.

Some people have very short memories, Hargreaves is a top player when fit.

People seem to forget people didnt say to fergie "he'll be good for a while but then he's goinhg to be seriouslyfeck and always three weeks away from a return".

He was buying a top player, who still is a top player and hopefully will be again
 
Not sure whats so funny about what he said, the last time Hargreaves played for England at a major international tournament he was by a country mile our best player and easily one of the best in that role in the world at the time, just because injury has hampered him since dosnt change that.

Some people have very short memories, Hargreaves is a top player when fit.

In a WC where England was very poor generally speaking, it wasn't anything special for Hargreaves to be the best player of England.I don't think there is a huge doubt regarding his ability but let's not make the opposite effect of overrating him
 
Not sure whats so funny about what he said, the last time Hargreaves played for England at a major international tournament he was by a country mile our best player and easily one of the best in that role in the world at the time, just because injury has hampered him since dosnt change that.

Some people have very short memories, Hargreaves is a top player when fit.

Beckham, Gerrard, and Carrick were better. Hargreaves ran around a bit against Portugal, without actually influencing the match.
He was really never world class, not even close.

Hargreaves was average for United in central midfield, though he did put in some good performances on the right. Sadly, I doubt he'll ever play again.
 
Not sure whats so funny about what he said, the last time Hargreaves played for England at a major international tournament he was by a country mile our best player and easily one of the best in that role in the world at the time, just because injury has hampered him since dosnt change that.

Some people have very short memories, Hargreaves is a top player when fit.


good post
 
Hargreaves had one good match at the WC, against Portugal when we were down to 10 men. He ran his socks off, and yes, was our best player that day. Scored his penalty to, did he not?

Then the British public voted him England player of the tournament :lol:
 
In a WC where England was very poor generally speaking, it wasn't anything special for Hargreaves to be the best player of England.I don't think there is a huge doubt regarding his ability but let's not make the opposite effect of overrating him

I understand your point mate, but Hargreaves was actually the best player for England during the last WC. He wasn't the best from the worst, his performances were at the level of the competition.

And I also believe Hargo is very underrated. When he is fit as someone said before, he is top class. A lion on the midfield, I would love to see him back, he will give us more order and strengh, it would be easy for us to connect the defensive part with the offensive. (Besides he is very good at free kicks and he could be a solution to create more chances from set pieces)

Maybe the short-term memory disease doesnt help, but it's also true that he couldn't stay fit for too much time at United. That's maybe the reason about the question mark which has been created around him.


When He comes back, He will have the opportunity to change and polish out all doubts. I can't see it different because I know about the football attributes of Hargreaves and I've faith on him.
 
Hargreaves had one good match at the WC, against Portugal when we were down to 10 men. He ran his socks off, and yes, was our best player that day. Scored his penalty to, did he not?

Then the British public voted him England player of the tournament :lol:

It was enough to convince Fergie to kick Senna into touch and turn a blind eye to Lass Diarra, Yaya Toure, Mascherano and co.

I think he's a top-class player but I'm very sceptical about his chances of a return or even getting back to his best.
 
Hargreaves had one good match at the WC, against Portugal when we were down to 10 men. He ran his socks off, and yes, was our best player that day. Scored his penalty to, did he not?

Then the British public voted him England player of the tournament :lol:

Yeah, bizarre isn't it? The sad thing is, the best performance by an English player in that World Cup came in the previous match, and that player was duly dropped. That decision cost England dearly.



If Hargreaves was such a world-class player, how come he was never first choice for us and how come we've not missed him in the slightest?
 
I understand your point mate, but Hargreaves was actually the best player for England during the last WC. He wasn't the best from the worst, his performances were at the level of the competition.

And I also believe Hargo is very underrated. When he is fit as someone said before, he is top class. A lion on the midfield, I would love to see him back, he will give us more order and strengh, it would be easy for us to connect the defensive part with the offensive. (Besides he is very good at free kicks and he could be a solution to create more chances from set pieces)

Maybe the short-term memorie disease doesnt help, but it's also true that he couldn't stay fit for too much time at United. That's maybe the reason about the question mark which has been created around him.


When He comes back, He will have the opportunity to change and polish out all doubts. I can't see it different because I know about the football attributes of Hargreaves and I've faith on him.


Good post and i actually think you hit the nail on the head with that part especially, hopefully he can make a recovery and get back to something like the form that he produced in the last world cup and in his first season with us, theres a reason why Sir Alex played him in every big game possible in the 07/08 season, and as you rightly said his ability at set pieces (another underrated aspect of his game) would also provide us with some much needed quality in an area weve been pretty toothless this season.
 
If Hargreaves was such a world-class player, how come he was never first choice for us and how come we've not missed him in the slightest?

We have missed him in a number of games, most notably the 2009 European Cup Final, and the game against Liverpool at Old Trafford last season.
 
We have missed him in a number of games, most notably the 2009 European Cup Final, and the game against Liverpool at Old Trafford last season.

And many other big games as well, it was interesting to note sunday was our first league win away from home to a fellow 'big 4' side since December 2007 at anfield, where Hargreaves started.....
 
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Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has challenged midfielder Owen Hargreaves to stake a claim to be involved with his squad for the Champions League last-16 encounter with AC Milan this month.

• Fergie: Hargeaves nearing comeback - September 25

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Owen Hargreaves: Played a key role in Manchester United's 2008 Champions League triumph.

Hargreaves has not played for United since aggravating a long-standing knee-injury against Chelsea in September 2008, and has struggled in his rehabilitation after surgery on both knees last year.

The England midfielder has been training with the squad for four months and after a couple of false-starts, Ferguson is now hoping that Hargreaves - who played a key role in United's Champions League triumph in 2008 - can play his way into contention for the crunch match with AC Milan on February 16.

"I would like to seem him make the squad for the Champions League fixtures against AC Milan, but we won't rush him," Ferguson said.

"We are being patient with the rehabilitation following his knee operations and he is alternating his training with the reserve and first-team squads, working for two days and then resting a day.

"It's a matter of him regaining his confidence and, when he is able to train every day, that will be the moment for him to return to match play."
 
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February 3, 2010

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Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has challenged midfielder Owen Hargreaves to stake a claim to be involved with his squad for the Champions League last-16 encounter with AC Milan this month.

• Fergie: Hargeaves nearing comeback - September 25

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Owen Hargreaves: Played a key role in Manchester United's 2008 Champions League triumph.

Hargreaves has not played for United since aggravating a long-standing knee-injury against Chelsea in September 2008, and has struggled in his rehabilitation after surgery on both knees last year.

The England midfielder has been training with the squad for four months and after a couple of false-starts, Ferguson is now hoping that Hargreaves - who played a key role in United's Champions League triumph in 2008 - can play his way into contention for the crunch match with AC Milan on February 16.

"I would like to seem him make the squad for the Champions League fixtures against AC Milan, but we won't rush him," Ferguson said.

"We are being patient with the rehabilitation following his knee operations and he is alternating his training with the reserve and first-team squads, working for two days and then resting a day.

"It's a matter of him regaining his confidence and, when he is able to train every day, that will be the moment for him to return to match play."

This was already posted earlier
 
We have missed him in a number of games, most notably the 2009 European Cup Final, and the game against Liverpool at Old Trafford last season.

We missed Fletcher that game. But in truth, we were just outclassed by a better team, no shame in that. If you think Hargreaves playing would have changed that result, then you must think he's some kind of Super player.

With the Liverpool game, we were in control and 1-0 up, until Vidic had a spaz attack (in an otherwise faultless season), and then Evra gave away a penalty. Once again, Hargreaves wouldnt have made any difference. Like Fergie said, we somehow lost that game 4-1, yet bizzarly, we were the better team.
 
So I'm guessing people think that either Barry is a world class defensive midfielder ... or that Carrick is a defensive midfielder? :wenger:

Or that England have no World Class defensive midfielder?
 
Having torn my knee ligaments, and had 3/4 of the cartlidge removed myself after knackering my knee whilst training, it took me a while to come back. When I did make a comeback, I was weary of the knee and though I probably got it back to 95%, I wasn't confident felt some thing with the knee and ended up with a second op, which the surgeon basically said all they did was hoover up some debris in the knee. I got the knee back and I returned to playing. From my own experience I can understand Hargreaves lack of confidence, something very minor and you think it's trouble. Add to the fact that if this doesn't work he's finished, and that's obviously playing on his mind, not wanting to (a) risk rushing back and (b) not wanting to risk any major tackles just in case.

During the madness that is the transfer deadline day, one of the rumours on the BBC website was that we were going to send Hargreaves to Preston for some match practise, which wouldn't have been a bad idea. However it was just a rumour that never got off the ground.

I did my knee in the 90's. I had the surgery and 6 months later I was back playing American football with a rigid ACL brace. I didn't drop the brace for a year and a half.
 
Yeah, bizarre isn't it? The sad thing is, the best performance by an English player in that World Cup came in the previous match, and that player was duly dropped. That decision cost England dearly.



If Hargreaves was such a world-class player, how come he was never first choice for us and how come we've not missed him in the slightest?

Yes because Carrick hasn't lost a game in an England shirt ever. :rolleyes:

He made Four Hollywood passes against an Ecudor side and England got nothing from any of them, he was given Man of the Match before the game was played in my opinion. Ecuador nearly scored because Carrick offered nothing in terms of protection or ball winning. Without Ashley Cole's saving clearance, England probably would've went out on penalties. Carrick robbed Ashley Cole of being the deserved Man of the Match.

The fact that England could only beat Ecuador 1-0 and hail it as a world class performance highlights how much England overacheieved in that World Cup, but the Euro qualifiers showed them for what they really were.
 
Yes because Carrick hasn't lost a game in an England shirt ever. :rolleyes:

He made Four Hollywood passes against an Ecudor side and England got nothing from any of them, he was given Man of the Match before the game was played in my opinion. Ecuador nearly scored because Carrick offered nothing in terms of protection or ball winning. Without Ashley Cole's saving clearance, England probably would've went out on penalties. Carrick robbed Ashley Cole of being the deserved Man of the Match.

The fact that England could only beat Ecuador 1-0 and hail it as a world class performance highlights how much England overacheieved in that World Cup, but the Euro qualifiers showed them for what they really were.

This is a very special post.
 
As usual Sam displays his total ignorance on all subjects Hargreaves!

The guy hasn't been fit since sept 2006 was it when he snapped his leg. He was out nearly the entire season due to that break and we signed him in the summer. He was unfit when he was pushed into the squad and clearly was lacking the sort of confidence a player only develops when they have had a run in the first team while fit and are comfortable in their surroundings. Hargreaves was none of these things, and the fact that during that first season he was at WORST on par with our other CM's speaks volumes.

Hargreaves during the 2007/2008 season fought niggling injuries as a result of his broken leg all season. He would get a run of games, start to find his legs and some form and go out with an injury for a week or two. Carrick then stepped up and it became a situation where SAF played a very versatile player where we needed him.

It was towards the end of the season when Hargreaves finally seemed to stay reasonably healthy, enough that he started to get that confidence and form that we brought him in for. It just so happened that he was playing as a right midfielder during this time. His performances stood out, he was the best player for us in a couple big games.

Battling recovery injuries, lacking confidence and trying to settle into the team in a new league = bad player right Sammie?

Finding some fitness, gaining confidence and settling into the team and getting comfortable = good player?

You shouldn't think too hard, but you should think about it none the less. Consider it training your critical thinking skills ;)
 
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