Out of control dogs/dog attacks

My mate treats his rabbits awfully. Could they kill someone?
 
@langster what is the minimum threshold of potential threat that you think is bannable?

On a scale from hamster to lion at what point do you accept the animal maybe has certain natural tendencies or at the least naturally occurring features E.g. muscle mass, teeth etc that make it a viable and significant threat?
 
I put you in a boxing match with a 2 year old or prime Mike Tyson. Whilst both could potentially cause you injury who is more likely to be able to do with significant consequences?
 
Even if we say it’s the owner and that such breeds usually have bad owners, usually owned by criminals and gang members etc. if that even really is the case then why do you think this specific breed is usually picked by bad owners to carry out their dirty work? Would a corgi or Jack Russell not suffice? Do they know something we don’t? More dangerous than other breeds, perhaps?

It’s the same thing with guns. Why are knives not usually the choice of weapon in mass killings in America? Why do we not hear about yet another ‘school stabbing’ in the states. Can’t be cos one does more damage than the other and the perpetrators are aware of that, surely?
 
I give you prime Ronaldo or Weghorst while both could score a league goal…
 
I raise you Bebe during his stint at United and prime Ribery. Both could run down a wing :wenger:
 
Sara125 said:
I raise you Bebe during his stint at United and prime Ribery. Both could run down a wing :wenger:
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You say that but Bebe could easily dribble a small child or a weak person to the floor, then he would attack the space vacated. And Bebe could easily get to a baby in a pram or cot and do the same.
 
hobbers said:
Jack Russells were bred to flush foxes and badgers out of their dens, not to fight to the death.

Dogs that were bred to fight other dogs to the death for sport do not compare.
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They can use the toilet?
 
Obviously bad ownership leads to badly behaved and out of control dogs but there Is also an obvious connection here between certain breeds and their behaviour/relative strength. Some of that is due to ownership, some due to breeding and some due to the dog itself. All aspects need to be assessed really and tighter ownership and breeding laws are the long term goal with banning an understandable solution for the now.
 
My other half was walking the other day at a nearby lake where she encountered an XL bully being walked. The first thing the guy said was ‘watch out, he’s a bit reactive’. This is a hot spot for dog walkers and just walkers/runners generally. What kind of thick cnut takes a reactive XL bully to a place full of people? And with no muzzle.

I think banning the breed is right but why aren’t they taking this chance to make owing dogs a more regulated thing? It seems a no brainer and probably a money spinner. Have pit bulls been ‘officially’ banned in the uk for years or was that just a myth?
 
Jack-C20 said:
My other half was walking the other day at a nearby lake where she encountered an XL bully being walked. The first thing the guy said was ‘watch out, he’s a bit reactive’. This is a hot spot for dog walkers and just walkers/runners generally. What kind of thick cnut takes a reactive XL bully to a place full of people? And with no muzzle.

I think banning the breed is right but why aren’t they taking this chance to make owing dogs a more regulated thing? It seems a no brainer and probably a money spinner. Have pit bulls been ‘officially’ banned in the uk for years or was that just a myth?
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Pit bull terriers are one of the current 4 banned breeds but people just mix them or defy the law altogether
 
Jack-C20 said:
My other half was walking the other day at a nearby lake where she encountered an XL bully being walked. The first thing the guy said was ‘watch out, he’s a bit reactive’. This is a hot spot for dog walkers and just walkers/runners generally. What kind of thick cnut takes a reactive XL bully to a place full of people? And with no muzzle.

I think banning the breed is right but why aren’t they taking this chance to make owing dogs a more regulated thing? It seems a no brainer and probably a money spinner. Have pit bulls been ‘officially’ banned in the uk for years or was that just a myth?
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This is the mystery for me, unless I'm mistaken there has been no talk of dog licences, breeder licenses etc that all make sense.
 
Sara125 said:
Pit bull terriers are one of the current 4 banned breeds but people just mix them or defy the law altogether
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I’ve seen plenty over the years. I guess it must be hard for someone to prove 100%. I’ve got a feeling most people that own XL bullies won’t give a damn about these new laws. A small part of me thinks we might even see an increase in XL bullies. Would love to see more regulation on the actual owners/breeders. Kind of feels like they’re just side stepping a problem instead of fixing it properly.
 
hobbers said:
Could have been, but probably one of the breeds that were bred to guard livestock from wolves and bears, like Anatolian shepherd dogs. Which are all mastiffs, nothing like our versions of shepherd dogs.
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Thanks, would never had guessed that was the type of dog involved.
 
Can't help but feel that some of the folk who buy these breeds do it purely to "prove the authorities wrong" or because they know it's not the best idea, and are immediately drawn to doing it like a moth to a flame. The same people that spend their days loitering around trying to start arguments so that they can "win" or rehearsing lines from their latest family drama by shouting at their significant other in the street, making their business everyone else's problem.
 
The "a pomerian killed a baby in 2012 hence it is the owner not the breed" argument is a fairly common one.

I just did not expect to encounter it in a forum with a promotion system.
 
Hound Dog said:
The "a pomerian killed a baby in 2012 hence it is the owner not the breed" argument is a fairly common one.

I just did not expect to encounter it in a forum with a promotion system.
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Come to think of it my goldfish has been looking at me funny recently and I’ve never taken it for a walk before…
 
MadMike said:
Literally, "no u". You and Langster are literally missing all the valid points being made, sitting in an echo chamber and pretending no one is understanding you points.

All big dogs above certain size and weight should require license and insurance and then let the insurance companies calculate the risk of any "marketing" breed. They tend to be very good at that. So the next time someone comes up with the new marketing ploy breed called "Baby Butcher XX-fecking-L" you don't need to do feck all. Their weight and size will immediately mark them as dogs needing insurance and the insurance companies will charge premiums based on a number of factors including statistical precedence. And when the premium for baby butcher comes out to a grand month, that will prevent legal ownership of them by the vast majority. Problem sorted



Agree 100% with the above though.
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Did you read my post? You've basically just copied what I've said and then said I disagreed with you. Bizarre to be honest.

The only thing I'd argue against is that all dogs regardless of size should require a licence. The inbreeding of pure breeds is what leads to extreme extenuations of genetics, as well as being ridiculously cruel. At one point (not sure if still the case, because they actually did step in) there were 50 pugs in the gene pool for every 1000.
 
Spark said:
Did you read my post? You've basically just copied what I've said and then said I disagreed with you. Bizarre to be honest.

The only thing I'd argue against is that all dogs regardless of size should require a licence. The inbreeding of pure breeds is what leads to extreme extenuations of genetics, as well as being ridiculously cruel. At one point (not sure if still the case, because they actually did step in) there were 50 pugs in the gene pool for every 1000.
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But they do? My dog has a license anyway.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ireland. They’re mandatory here. I always assumed dog licenses were mandatory in the UK too?
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Literally anyone can have a dog in the UK with no licence. Ireland doing things better in that regard.

I shit you not, when I lived in Hoxton in London, there was a bloke walking a Kangal around Shoreditch Park. Supposedly lived in a two bed flat… He had to walk it with this weird rope lead that wrapped round his body.

A dog bred to guard sheep from wolves in the Turkish mountains with a 40 mile range, in central London… Famous for having zero recall and basically considering everything it steps on its territory :lol: Probably confused as feck by all the cockerpoos knocking about.

That’s the level of moron we’re dealing with.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That’s very sad but in rural Greece they might be needed to protect livestock from Wolves? Very different to penis extensions living in suburban semis. Obviously similar issues around controlling your animal but at least ownership is justified.
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I work with a similar dog breed. It's a central Asian shepherd/Caucasian mix and this thing is bloody terrifying when it's in defense mode. I suppose they have to be pretty intimidating to ward off wolves and bears but would absolutely be a liability in a built up area.
 
Spark said:
Literally anyone can have a dog in the UK with no licence. Ireland doing things better in that regard.

I shit you not, when I lived in Hoxton in London, there was a bloke walking a Kangal around Shoreditch Park. Supposedly lived in a two bed flat… He had to walk it with this weird rope lead that wrapped round his body.

A dog bred to guard sheep from wolves in the Turkish mountains with a 40 mile range, in central London… Famous for having zero recall and basically considering everything it steps on its territory :lol: Probably confused as feck by all the cockerpoos knocking about.

That’s the level of moron we’re dealing with.
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I'd still feel much safer around a Kangal than a Pitbull. A Kangal won't just maul you for sneezing in it's direction.
 
MiceOnMeth said:
I'd still feel much safer around a Kangal than a Pitbull. A Kangal won't just maul you for sneezing in it's direction.
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It’s the equivalent of having one of those Greek shepherds in inner London. Also a Kangal won’t necessarily maul you, but taken out of its natural habitat it’ll grow restless and therefore have a higher chance of reactivity. And they’re fecking massive, can’t be let off lead and naturally hate other dogs (“instinctive weariness”).

Should be required to own an acre of land securely fenced if you want one in the UK, yet alone live in a 2 bed flat in central London.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ireland. They’re mandatory here. I always assumed dog licenses were mandatory in the UK too?
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How enforced are they down south though mate?

They're mandatory up here in the North too but to be honest most people don't bother even getting one. I have licences for ours but to be honest I can't remember ever being asked for them for anything. Training, Vets etc.
 
stevoc said:
How enforced are they down south though mate?

They're mandatory up here in the North too but to be honest most people don't bother even getting one. I have licences for ours but to be honest I can't remember ever being asked for them for anything. Training, Vets etc.
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Yeah I'd say they're pretty meaningless. Little more than a municipal cash grab. It's unlikely that a bureaucrat would ever get off their arse to give you a citation for having an unlicensed dog and it's not like you have to demonstrate any competence when getting that license anyway.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Yeah I'd say they're pretty meaningless. Little more than a municipal cash grab. It's unlikely that a bureaucrat would ever get off their arse to give you a citation for having an unlicensed dog and it's not like you have to demonstrate any competence when getting that license anyway.
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Yeah same up here, I send the Belfast City Council £12.50 every year and they send me a piece of paper that I shove in a drawer never to think about again.
 
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