Ousmane Dembele
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Barca can say there are no discussions because it isn’t happening club to club - it will be getting done through intermediaries. So, statement from Planes is technically accurate.
Yes until the 16th can still buy domestically. But they can’t play in champions league group stages.
I think we will end up buying him because we are run by jokers
O’Campos sounds like a Mexican Irish trad Singer
Concerning that our first 2 alternatives to Sancho are a injury prone Gareth Bale, who seems more interested in lowering his Golf handicap and another Injury prone individual in Dembele who wants to improve his Fortnite leaderboard status.
So much for our new and improved scouting process.
So much for our new and improved scouting process.
This is a clear smokescreen for Sancho, pack it up lads.
it doesn’t matter what anyone says if barca aren’t selling. It’s all clutching at straws, busy fools.
We don't need someone else coming here just to get paid while being injured, we've got enough of them already,
We've never had a good scouting process - our approach to signings last summer was 'let's look at the PL and sign the best CB and RB we can actually sign', and then spent £130m on them.
I read this interview with Monchi recently (DOF of Sevilla), and he talks about their scouting process - they start with thousands, then prune that to about 400 later in the season, and 100 again near the window. Then they ask the manager what sort of player he wants and uses that to sign. Night and day with our process
The club aren’t selling? I swear I’ve heard this a lot recently from another club!
Now all it would take is for Watford totell us to feck off re Sarr
Barca are desperate for cash. They will absolutely let him go if they get a suitable offer.
There's a big question over the 'he doesn't want to come here' thing.
Is it "I don't want to go to England and/or Manchester United", or is it "I want to stay and fight for my place at Barca"? If it's the former, obviously we shouldn't be anywhere near him. But there's nothing wrong with the latter as long as he's changed his mind now and feels we'll be a better option.
Di Maria is the obvious example of the former. He didn't want to leave Real, if he had to leave he wanted to go to PSG, and when neither of those were possible he came to us. As soon as things got a little bit hard he just couldn't be bothered anymore and basically forced us to sell him 12 months later. It's up to Ole and the management team to determine whether it's a similar situation now (possibly with the help of Pogba and our other French players), or whether he actually would be fired up and eager to get his career back on track.
Is it "I don't want to go to England and/or Manchester United", or is it "I want to stay and fight for my place at Barca"? If it's the former, obviously we shouldn't be anywhere near him. But there's nothing wrong with the latter as long as he's changed his mind now and feels we'll be a better option.
Di Maria is the obvious example of the former. He didn't want to leave Real, if he had to leave he wanted to go to PSG, and when neither of those were possible he came to us. As soon as things got a little bit hard he just couldn't be bothered anymore and basically forced us to sell him 12 months later. It's up to Ole and the management team to determine whether it's a similar situation now (possibly with the help of Pogba and our other French players), or whether he actually would be fired up and eager to get his career back on track.
He came back for a brief spell after his first injury and was great, since then he has barely played. Again this lad has played 30 games in nearly two years, didn't want to come here, and has potential attitude issues and we want to pay £60m for him, Feck me... its like we learned nothing from di Maria, Falcao, et al
I find the views of Dembele having a poor attitude as being concrete a bit amusing. Think about the primary sources coming out with the articles that he’s late for training and enjoys playing FIFA? They’re all Barca leaning papers.
Barca spent a huge load of money on Dembele then heaped loads of pressure on him to be a replacement to Neymar. When it wasn’t working and to deflect criticism for their own failings, the Barca board conveniently let these leaks thru that it’s all on Dembele. We’ve seen with the Messi saga how inept the Barca board really is.
Dembele has a “poor” attitude yet he turned down dippers and Juve earlier this summer to prove himself at Barca. He hasn’t agitated for a move out of Barca or asked for a new contract. Now he’s been convinced on United after Barca have set their sights on Depay. Oh Dembele and his piss poor attitude. It’s not always black and white, there’s a lot of BS out there.
Better to be playing Fifa in his living room then keeping himself busy with booze like Gazza and Tony Adams?
I've seen this game before, don't worry Ed always gets his man...
In all seriousness I don't even want Dembele, just to see that do enough to quieten most the fanbase.
Doesn't really matter if they are not on the pitch, and lets be honest the beer didnt seem to have as much effect as staying up all night to play games. does.
I hope we're not doing this just to show BVB we can do deals elsewhere, especially after we opted against Bale because of obvious reasons.
Good player, though, it's just it will require special care from Ole and medical staff to keep him healthy... hopefully they're prepared.
Good player, though, it's just it will require special care from Ole and medical staff to keep him healthy... hopefully they're prepared.
What is surprising is that there are people who believe it’s not done similarily at United. And based on what?
We know there is a recruitment team in place, including Jim Lawlor, Mick Court and Marcel Bout, and that they’re receiving reports from a vast network of scouts, it was 78 scouts I think a couple of years ago. I believe 67 scouting reports were filed on Jude Bellingham alone. We know United have a database of at least a thousand players. We know Solskjær discusses the needs with that team, and we have seen Maguire, Wan Bissaka, James, Bruno, Ighalo and Van de Beek (early days) come in and function to their ability in the team, indicating that the profiling process has worked well.
Where on earth do you get the idea that United just pick a couple of players because they’re local and well known, or that Monchi is doing something completely different even though his MO has been public knowledge for ten years?
The ifs and buts in this thread are indicative of a downtrodden and desperate fanbase who are so browbeaten they would accept anything roundabouts now.
Conditioning at its finest.
What's a genuine concern here is the strain only Dembele coming in puts on Rashford and Greenwood. He breaks down, and they will have to play more games than is healthy for either of them, otherwise we're left with players Ole doesn't even want to field as backups.
Strong squads can bear the brunt of Dembele whether he turns out to be a steal at the 'bargain' price, or not. For us, however, him breaking down has severe consequences across the season.
I rate the player, and have plenty of posts stating such, but we are not in the position where him being our only wing signing (loan or otherwise) makes sense. Is he better than getting nothing at all? Of course, but how has it come down to this? Dembele is by far, far the most talented player we can get in if it's not Sancho, but he is also by far the most unreliable and precarious, to the point him missing a huge portion of the season should be seen as a given and not blind hope and optimism that he can come to a harsher league and magically turn into a bastion of fitness.
The knock-on effect of Dembele breaking down here is Greenwood having to play more games whether fit to do so or not. Handling a teenager's playing time is a genuine thing, so burdening him, as we would be, is such bad diligence.
If any of this Dembele talk is true, we've gone in trying to strong arm another club and got the treatment back, making us look like fools, again. Because if we're buying Dembele instead of loaning him, we're taking on the burden of fixing him completely blindly. At least a loan would give us a chance to look at his physiology and response to certain treatments before then pulling the trigger; a straight purchase, even for the discount, palms a crock onto us with no out for a solid 2.5 years, at least. Falcao, Sanchez, Schweinsteiger, Jones... have we learned nothing?
To be clear, as part of two-wingers coming into the club, or with an already strong squad, Dembele is a player you try to get all day long, hence Liverpool and Juventus' attempts, but in our predicament, and as a straight, standalone purchase, it is negligence that compromises 1, if not 2 of our starters and also puts the spotlight straight back on players who shouldn't even be at the club as they then are back to being stand-ins, just as they were last season whilst Dembele is almost certainly out injured.
Whatever you think of Ole, the club have royally fecked him this window - and it's him that will be held accountable if anything happens to Greenwood, or Rashford goes down once again due to them not getting the downtime they would've with proper attacking reinforcement.
Conditioning at its finest.
What's a genuine concern here is the strain only Dembele coming in puts on Rashford and Greenwood. He breaks down, and they will have to play more games than is healthy for either of them, otherwise we're left with players Ole doesn't even want to field as backups.
Strong squads can bear the brunt of Dembele whether he turns out to be a steal at the 'bargain' price, or not. For us, however, him breaking down has severe consequences across the season.
I rate the player, and have plenty of posts stating such, but we are not in the position where him being our only wing signing (loan or otherwise) makes sense. Is he better than getting nothing at all? Of course, but how has it come down to this? Dembele is by far, far the most talented player we can get in if it's not Sancho, but he is also by far the most unreliable and precarious, to the point him missing a huge portion of the season should be seen as a given and not blind hope and optimism that he can come to a harsher league and magically turn into a bastion of fitness.
The knock-on effect of Dembele breaking down here is Greenwood having to play more games whether fit to do so or not. Handling a teenager's playing time is a genuine thing, so burdening him, as we would be, is such bad diligence.
If any of this Dembele talk is true, we've gone in trying to strong arm another club and got the treatment back, making us look like fools, again. Because if we're buying Dembele instead of loaning him, we're taking on the burden of fixing him completely blindly. At least a loan would give us a chance to look at his physiology and response to certain treatments before then pulling the trigger; a straight purchase, even for the discount, palms a crock onto us with no out for a solid 2.5 years, at least. Falcao, Sanchez, Schweinsteiger, Jones... have we learned nothing?
To be clear, as part of two-wingers coming into the club, or with an already strong squad, Dembele is a player you try to get all day long, hence Liverpool and Juventus' attempts, but in our predicament, and as a straight, standalone purchase, it is negligence that compromises 1, if not 2 of our starters and also puts the spotlight straight back on players who shouldn't even be at the club as they then are back to being stand-ins, just as they were last season whilst Dembele is almost certainly out injured.
Whatever you think of Ole, the club have royally fecked him this window - and it's him that will be held accountable if anything happens to Greenwood, or Rashford goes down once again due to them not getting the downtime they would've with proper attacking reinforcement.
If there was enough budget to acquire Sancho at €100m and if Dembele can be acquired on loan (or even in an outright purchase for €50m), shouldn't the club be in a position to fill other holes? Telles should be a no-brainer, how about adding a back up striker for €30m?
All in, we could be filling out our squad at RW, LB and ST for the price we were willing to pay for Sancho. It's not a swap I would want, but if Sancho is not attainable using that money to strengthen the squad should be the goal before the window shuts.
All in, we could be filling out our squad at RW, LB and ST for the price we were willing to pay for Sancho. It's not a swap I would want, but if Sancho is not attainable using that money to strengthen the squad should be the goal before the window shuts.
This is totally wrong kind of player for us but nothing surprises me about Judge and his scouting team anymore.
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Imagine the 91m Dortmund rejected for Sancho is spent on Dembele instead on a frantic deadline panic from Ed 
Only going on reports I’ve seen but Sancho seemingly has agreed to terms with us and at no point has there been reported he doesn’t want to join. Dembele a week or so back wasn’t interested.
as for his lifestyle I’ve seen people say he doesn’t keep the right diet.
But yeah the major concern is his injury record.
Weve backed ourselves into a corner this window anyway so I really hope we get lucky and he turns out to fulfil his vast potential here
Ole has the final say in all incomings. This story just reeks of Barca wanting to get rid of a player and using our name to get it out there he’s available. They want Depay and need to raise funds. I wonder if we’ll benefit from a sell on clause...
I‘d say it’s more credible we’re after O’Campos, works hard for the team, really improved over the last few years and approaching his prime.
Yes, let's sign Mr. Glas over here. That will go well for us.
I think our transfer negotiating team is now so confused which target is which and who is a priority over who that the ultimate scenario is unfortunately what about 80% of the Caf already know - we won’t end up signing anyone or a really over inflated price for someone that is only coming for the cash.......
Im not sure Ed will want to stay after this debacle......his only grace at the moment is there are no fans in the stadiums - otherwise it is going to be very hostile towards him, very very hostile
We've been "Monitoring FC" and "Preparing FC"... on monday we'll be "fecked it all up FC"
Are you shitting me? That cnut has been balls deep in debacles Since he became CEO (or whatever he feck he is) and he could not give a flying feck what any of us fans think, none of them do.
My point wasn't that our scouting is terrible, rather we seem to go for the most expensive player available in a position. There are alternatives to Sancho - we should be looking at the next crop of wide forwards ala Mane, Salah, Sane etc before they moved to top clubs, that we think can make the jump up. Personally I think there are one or two I think can make the jump up - and that's from casual watching, not scouting.
Though I do take your point and I am being harsh r.e. the lack of scouting, our transfers under Ole have largely improved the team. Just overall our signings post-SAF under Woodward have been a mixed bag.
This is a mistake. Guy doesn't want to come. What happened to building a proper group of players who want a successful Manchester United?
What happened was we chased Sancho all summer and thought it was a bluff, now we are in panic mode. And that after 6 months of time to prepare, Dembele is a serious alternative, tells you everything you need to know about the club, Ed, Ole and the scouting department.
We still had 2 months after the 10th August, but yeah, we were probably doing nothing and waited until the last week to start and do something, like the kid at school that does his homework the next morning in the bus 10 mins before the school starts.
Not sure we can blame Ole for this...it isnt him signing the cheque...
Woodward said feck that. My errrrritage is to buy random players with no plan.
Ole is responsible with the coaching staff and scouting for alternatives. If Dembele is the best they can come up with after months, well yeah, then our manager is not completely blameless. Ed didnt get Sancho over the line, right or wrong, but i doubt he is the one after Dembele without consulting with the rest. They are in it together. They are all stealing a living in terms of recruitment and player contracts, absolute shit at it
We can't blame Ole but he should surely have alternatives in mind and not have let it get to this point where we're falling all over the place trying to get a high profile player on loan from Barcelona at the last minute. Again it's ultimately Woodwards fault but our manager needs to lay down the law also surely.
He's the idiot who said "We can exploit smaller clubs."
Almost every fecking club we negotiate with now will be thinking "These twats think they can push us around."
If you are quoting you’d expect it to be accurate....
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