They are clearly all midfielders, and if two are garbage then all the more reason we should sell them then isn’t it? And I’m not sure of the relevance of 2 being 30+ either. Does that make them ineligible or something?
Our window isn’t the great success many claim
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They are clearly all midfielders, and if two are garbage then all the more reason we should sell them then isn’t it? And I’m not sure of the relevance of 2 being 30+ either. Does that make them ineligible or something?
Some of those players should have been sold or thrown to the reserves a long time ago. Why we’re still giving minutes to Scott McTominay in 2023 is a thread in itself. Absolute failure from the club to move on deadwood
It’s actually comical seeing a meltdown after one game with no one showing faith in ten Hag despite a successful first season and evidence that he is turning things around. The Cafe has reached new heights of stupidity, well done.
Name an example where throwing a player to the reserves has achieved the desired outcome of the player leaving for a fee?
Think everyone is assuming Donny leaves though. If he does, then we have less senior midfield options then this time last year.
You'd basically be relying on Mainoo to be ready and be able to have a meaningful contribution to first team football right now - which is a big ask for a lad who has 10 minutes of PL experience under his belt.
That is manager's choice. He bought new no10 to play on no8 position. He wants to keep McT.
If he wants Ambrabat then he must approve selling 2 garbage midfielders.
If a player is told bluntly that they’re for sale and won’t be playing then more often than not they leave.
Instead we have Maguire and McTominay not only in the match day squad but making appearances why should they go?
If Maguire doesn’t make the bench until deadline day I’m betting a big chunk of money that he’s gone when the window shuts.
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It’s been one game. Casemiro is 31 not 38.
I definitely think the slowing down / failure of the potential outgoings currently has the window looking less positive than the way it seemed to be heading.
We made three seemingly decent signings given our budget. And looked like offloading a good number of the kids / 'deadwood' to enable a couple more squad players to be brought in. So, at that stage, it was looking like heading for a relative success given the FFP / club ownership issues we were also having to deal with.
But the fact the potential Henderson, Maguire, McTominay, VDB sales now look far less likely - impacting our potential additions - then, yeah, the window currently isn't looking like it's heading to be as successful as it once was.
We made three seemingly decent signings given our budget. And looked like offloading a good number of the kids / 'deadwood' to enable a couple more squad players to be brought in. So, at that stage, it was looking like heading for a relative success given the FFP / club ownership issues we were also having to deal with.
But the fact the potential Henderson, Maguire, McTominay, VDB sales now look far less likely - impacting our potential additions - then, yeah, the window currently isn't looking like it's heading to be as successful as it once was.
Case is only 31, ffs.
By all means, he should be in his prime years still.Case is only 31, ffs.
"Should be" is the key words here. A mediocre Wolves side, who most likely will find themselves fighting for a new contract all season, made him look like a 41 year old.
We saw him like this a few times last season as well, and he improved shortly after so there is still hope of course.
It was one game…you really think that based on this, one of the best DMs of the last decade is suddenly shite? That’s a real “special” take.
He was alone against entire Wolves midfield. Even prime Rijkaard would be overrun in those conditions. Mount adds even less in defence than Eriksen did last year.
Exactly this, people comparing Mount to McFred are off the mark. He's basically a replacement for DVB that wasn't a priority. ETH sees something in him which is fair enough but I've never seen anything to be excited by with Mount.
Onana is a great signing, Holjlund, could be great, but no guarantees.
I fear without at least strengthening at CB and DM / CM we'll struggle for top 4. City, Arse, Pool and Chels look much stronger than us and then there's Newcastle who look great too.
I agree entirely.
I've major concerns about scoring enough goals, and think it's wild that we are relying on a 20yr old Hojlund to fix this.
Mount didn't address the issues of our midfield. If he had come in addition to someone it'd of been fine, but I'm not convinced Casemiro/Mount/Bruno will work.
I've major concerns about scoring enough goals, and think it's wild that we are relying on a 20yr old Hojlund to fix this.
Mount didn't address the issues of our midfield. If he had come in addition to someone it'd of been fine, but I'm not convinced Casemiro/Mount/Bruno will work.
Liverpool who don’t have a holding midfielder? If it wasn’t for erratic play in the final third, Chelsea would’ve easily won. Chelsea will be improved but bedding in that many players will take time. I expect they will challenge for top 4 but will fall short. Liverpool on the other hand have significant work to do since losing out on two prime midfield targets.
Claiming a window is or isn’t a great success before it is even ended, isn’t the great idea that somebody apparently think.
This window might be the death of ETH when viewed with last years.
He needs Mount and Hojlund to do really well this year - and Antony needs to just do well. So far they are three big money players that have to work for ETH, and obvs Onana.
But its the gaps we still have that worry me the most - we lost MG and Martial is not it and that been obvious for a very long time - and the answer is a young unproven centre forward? Is that on ETH
We still have a crap midfield depsite good players on paper. Is that on ETH and his style?
ETH is under pressure this year and I think top 3 and deep cup runs are the basis of expectations
He needs Mount and Hojlund to do really well this year - and Antony needs to just do well. So far they are three big money players that have to work for ETH, and obvs Onana.
But its the gaps we still have that worry me the most - we lost MG and Martial is not it and that been obvious for a very long time - and the answer is a young unproven centre forward? Is that on ETH
We still have a crap midfield depsite good players on paper. Is that on ETH and his style?
ETH is under pressure this year and I think top 3 and deep cup runs are the basis of expectations
If this is it for midfield reinforcements then I am already missing Fred.
Fully agree that the setup was baffling and left Casemiro alone with way too much to handle. I don´t even want to know the thought process of trying to replace actual cm´s like Eriksen, Fred and Scott with an attacking mid like Mount. Maybe he can mould Mount into something we didn´t see against Wolves? Hopefully Erik has a plan there.
But you also have to agree that Casemiro ran like a player way past his prime, he got caught almost jogging with the ball a few times. You would think he would have learned and adapted to the physical challenge and intensity of the PL by now. I am sure he can improve going forward but that was not a comforting display for one of our most experienced and important players.
People realise Mount is there replacing Eriksen right? What’s all this talk of him being Fred’s replacement?
I‘m sure I’ve heard previously that Casemiro is a notoriously slow starter. But it was worrying that at the end of last year he looked to really be struggiling physically but it had been a long season even with all his bans and even then he was tasked with a lot of work.
Just think something wasn’t being executed by the players against Wolves as there is just no way any coach would leave him so exposed.
Casemiro was swarmed by Wolves players on a number of occasions. One game is not enough of a sample to determine his form though.
Can’t wait for the brief next week saying we’re unlikely to add anyone else
didn't even have to wait til next week. came a few hours later
Every year it's a case of it seems like United haven't bought that much/fixed things, yet they're among the top spenders in the league. It's an achievement in itself.
Strange we did not tap up any youngsters. Not like our academy is producing world beaters of late
Our main incomings are already here. Our potential new signings are backup players (defender and dmc). So regarding major incomings this is it. These 3 must make our squad stronger than it was last year.
It is hard to spend year after year after year without selling players.
Our budget is probably so stretched that we can't afford any. Not like they come cheap anymore these days
Greenwood. Like a new signing, if rumors are true
Let's perpetuate them
wait until mainoo is fit, he helps negates the failure to bring in another midfielder. This kid is class.
Primarily poor recruitment structure. Still allowong the manager to choose who he wants. We must have spunked £500m+ between Ole and ETHs poor choices alone.
I’d say the majority of outgoings has been a decent success based on how we usually struggle to bring any money in for outgoings every year although if we could have moved Maguire and Henderson on I’d say it would have been a brilliant success from an outgoings standpoint.
Getting over £40 million in for Fred, Elanga, Kovar, Telles, Iqbal and Savage shows we’re not as big a walkover as we have been for the last decade and getting De Gea, Jones and Tuanzebe off the wage bill instead of ‘preserving player value’ by handing them a new contract is a positive.
Incoming wise I think Onana will be a great buy once he’s settled whilst I think Hojlund will be at worst a decent signing and at best a great signing as long as he’s coached properly and allowed to progress, I’ve never been sold on Mount as a player and seriously worry about him in a midfield with Fernandes and Casemiro but ETH is a better judge than me so we’ll just have to wait and see.
If we bring in Amrabat that’ll be massive but I want to see Mejbri and Mainoo get a good share of game time this season, I think they both have potential to be great players. Mejbri reminds me a lot of a younger Modric in how he plays whilst Mainoo based on what I’ve seen in youth games and pre season just gone can be anything he wants as he looked like a monster.
Getting over £40 million in for Fred, Elanga, Kovar, Telles, Iqbal and Savage shows we’re not as big a walkover as we have been for the last decade and getting De Gea, Jones and Tuanzebe off the wage bill instead of ‘preserving player value’ by handing them a new contract is a positive.
Incoming wise I think Onana will be a great buy once he’s settled whilst I think Hojlund will be at worst a decent signing and at best a great signing as long as he’s coached properly and allowed to progress, I’ve never been sold on Mount as a player and seriously worry about him in a midfield with Fernandes and Casemiro but ETH is a better judge than me so we’ll just have to wait and see.
If we bring in Amrabat that’ll be massive but I want to see Mejbri and Mainoo get a good share of game time this season, I think they both have potential to be great players. Mejbri reminds me a lot of a younger Modric in how he plays whilst Mainoo based on what I’ve seen in youth games and pre season just gone can be anything he wants as he looked like a monster.
This summer is currently on a 3/10 for me after the last few days of news
I’ve been very critical of this window as most of you know.
The signings of Mount and Hojlund are, I think, highly questionable.
And in general I think ETH is a very good coach who is very suspect regarding big money transfers.
But, these signings and thus this window should not be written off at this point, give them time.
Onana is awesome, Mount is a cog who needs to be used correctly.
The really crucial one is Hojlund - we didn’t need Mount, but we really truly did need a CF. Mount can be a failure and it’s not that big a deal really. But ETH needs to make sure Hojlund is a success, especially given the performances of Antony.
So for me, I’d say wait until we’ve seen a few months of performances with ALL the new signings before making any concrete judgments on the window. Give them some time to gel.
And I say that as someone who’s been critical of the window thus far.
The signings of Mount and Hojlund are, I think, highly questionable.
And in general I think ETH is a very good coach who is very suspect regarding big money transfers.
But, these signings and thus this window should not be written off at this point, give them time.
Onana is awesome, Mount is a cog who needs to be used correctly.
The really crucial one is Hojlund - we didn’t need Mount, but we really truly did need a CF. Mount can be a failure and it’s not that big a deal really. But ETH needs to make sure Hojlund is a success, especially given the performances of Antony.
So for me, I’d say wait until we’ve seen a few months of performances with ALL the new signings before making any concrete judgments on the window. Give them some time to gel.
And I say that as someone who’s been critical of the window thus far.
After a very promising start it’s slowly become a bit of a shitshow and our inability to shift players on has directly affected our ability to improve the squad. If we fail to sign another midfielder I’ll be very concerned about the season ahead because our current setup looks very unbalanced and can see us running poor Casemiro into the ground.
At other clubs, one of our summer windows would lead to a clear-out in the transfer department.
At our 'biggest club' in the world, it leads to Murtough fanboys praising the clown and those surrounding him.
I am so tired of these schmucks failing time and again.
If this is it then it's been a poor window tbh. Only Onana instantly improves us. Hojlund is young and raw and will need time once he's back from injury. Mount I'm sorry but I just don't rate at all, I feel Chelsea have mugged us, hope to be proven wrong though.
The club is once again dragging its heels on going full hog and properly backing a manager. Obviously there's still time in the window but it's not looking great, especially when we can't even get a cheap and easy deal like Amrabat over the line.
The club is once again dragging its heels on going full hog and properly backing a manager. Obviously there's still time in the window but it's not looking great, especially when we can't even get a cheap and easy deal like Amrabat over the line.