I have to give Pep some credit, I thought he´d struggle with the mediocre defensive midfield and defense at City, but just like at Barcelona he just keeps the ball away from his own backline and passes the opposition into submission. He´s truly a Never Sick Garbageman. Takes out the trash every weekend.
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You are boring me now. Our record in the derby is vastly superior to yours & it's not even our biggest game of the season. This thread is supposed to be about 16/17. No point arguing about the past as as you can see the facts are against you.
That's funny because I could've sworn it was you who dredged up the past, claiming we had no successs in the derbies prior to the takeover - a myth that I smashed to smithereens, pointing out our most recent derby record immediately prior to the takeover. You're off your rocker mate and make it up as you go along - a Spurs fan has also pulled you up on your comment that you're everybody's biggest game. You probably think you're funny with your wumming but I don't see anyone else laughing and you'd be well advised to turn it in as you won't last very long with that attitude.
If you'd just said Liverpool, I would have disagreed with you, but nevertheless I might have thought that perhaps you actually believed it.
But saying that United v Chelsea is a bigger game? Well you are either completely deluded, or trolling. The latter I think.
Why is it hard to believe that game vs Liverpool is still our biggest game?
I didn't say it was hard to believe. I simply said I don't agree.
I've no idea how many united fans I have as friends and acquaintances, but it's many and my own personal experience is that the majority of them think of the derby as the biggest game. Maybe 10 - 15 years ago it was different, but then further back when I was at school the derby was definitely the biggest too.
This is like the silent domination bullshit Nev peddled for Rooney.
The Utd friends you have obviously know nothing of our history. Ask any true Utd fan if they'd rather the 6-1 at OT been against City or Liverpool they would answer City. How many other clubs would have these opinions about another club on their doorstep. We spent nigh on 30 years trying & succeeding to overhaul Liverpool as the Country's most successful club. While we were doing this you were a yo-yo team. The derby has had little significance for Utd during the 80's, 90's & most of 2000's.
It hurts many City fans that they are seen as an irrelevance by most other clubs & especially Utd. You can only chase what's in front of you though. The ambition of City is to be the biggest club in Manchester & most successful in the country. If they manage this the derby will then be the biggest game for both teams. As it stands Utd & Liverpool are way out in front.
In 2014 people were praying to God that City wins a league instead of Liverpool. I think that says a lot.
Ok for your friends but many here would tell you that Liverpool is a bigger game still.
It's a weird one, obviously at the moment and certainly in recent years the Derby is the biggest game but I don't think that necessarily means city are hated more than Liverpool amongst the entire United fan base.
I think it's more down to city now being a major threat whereas Liverpool have been a threat once in about 30 years. But you only have to look at the absolute delight of United fans when city pipped Liverpool to the title a few years ago to see that Liverpool will always ultimately be the number one enemy but a lot of that is probably due to the title count duel that we currently have.
You also have to consider the manchester factor. The majority of Manchester based United fans will likely see city as the bigger game and the number one rival due to the fact they're surrounded by city fans, allowing the rivalry/banter to develop. Which you yourself confirmed.
Anywhere else in the country and United fans will be surrounded by Liverpool fans thus making them the biggest game and number one rival in those fans eyes.
Back when I was in school nobody gave a shit about the Manchester derby because nobody supported city, United/Arsenal was the biggest game, followed by United/Pool. But what do kids know?
Location almost certainly plays a big part in it and which fans one comes into contact with most on a day to day basis. While it cannot be denied that the United fans I know in Manchester have a strong dislike of Liverpool, the derby has always had huge significance for them even if we weren't anywhere near United's level on the pitch. A mate of mine is quite clear as to which team he hates the most and his view pre-dates the 2008 takeover: "It's you blue c*nts because I have to put up with your shite, day in day out, whereas I don't know any Liverpool fans!" or words to that effect. Others aren't quite so certain and dislike both teams but are probably swayed one way or the other by who is the bigger threat at the time so when United and Liverpool were challenging each other in the mid-late 90's and City were doing our best yo-yo act and not even in the same division, the hatred was almost all directed at Liverpool whereas we were seen as more of an irritant for winding our red mates up in the pub when United suffered a rare defeat. And of course there's the general underlying theme of the Manchester/Liverpool rivalry. As such, City fans aren't keen on the Merseyside clubs either, although we've tended to have more problems with Everton fans down the years funnily enough.
Step outside Manchester and the immediate surrounding area though and it does indeed become a different story. There are more United and Liverpool fans in the country than any other so it's understandable that in most areas that those two sets of fans will see each other as their biggest rivals. I'd imagine it's exactly the same in Ireland too. In London I think it's slightly different as there are other big clubs down there. I met a female United fan from London once and she despised Arsenal more than any other club - probably because she knew more Gooners than any other set of fans.
Tell you something though - during that 2013-14 title race many of us City fans felt the thought of Liverpool winning it would be every bit as unbearable as United winning it, if not more so, due to the huge media w*nkfest that would've ensued if Liverpool had been successful!
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Sure, I agree.
The context of this debate was some pillock claiming that United v Liverpool; United v Arsenal; and United v Chelsea are all bigger games than United v City. As I said my original reply, if he'd kept it to United v Liverpool I could have taken him seriously. But as it stands, it was a ridiculous post.
Fair point M18CTID. My experiences are almost entirely in Manchester. Not surprising if in Manchester, the Manchester derby is the biggest game, but I can see how elsewhere United v Liverpool could be considered more emotive.
So Pep has frozen out Yaya Toure because his agent talked shit about the club/the manager to the media once again and Pep is having none of it. It's really ridiculous how much power those agents (think) they have and it's refreshing for once that one (Yaya's agent) has to apologize to the club to help his player get back into the team.
Although I think it's sad and a bit wrong that Pep has to do it now and that it hadn't be done before – as far as I understand Yaya's agent has been talking nonsense for quite a while now?
Although I think it's sad and a bit wrong that Pep has to do it now and that it hadn't be done before – as far as I understand Yaya's agent has been talking nonsense for quite a while now?
Yaya's been incredible for us over the years and arguably has been one of the best players in the PL, if not - at times at least - THE best. But the shite we've had to put up from him and his agent has been unbelievable and we've had a weak manager in Pellegrini who didn't have the bottle (or the backing perhaps) to do anything about it.
Can you *imagine* for 1 nano-second SAF putting up with the shite Seluk and Yaya have been spouting for the past 3 years. Cake-gate, the perenially threating to leave, saying Sheikh Mansour has disrespected him etc etc etc.
Brilliant player, absolute nob-end of a bloke. About time someone has stood up to him.
Absolutely loving what Pep did, so Pep too. There's history there between all parties really, Txiki, Pep, Seluk & Yaya - it initiated a change in the club's approach to avoiding douche agents as much as possible. Mendes only recently got a Barcelona client, first in nearly 15 years
No question, Pep is in charge
Still, I suspect Seluk knows what he is doing and somehow hoping this will help expedite his client's exit although I think they've miscalculated the deep pockets that call the ultimate shots
No question, Pep is in charge
Still, I suspect Seluk knows what he is doing and somehow hoping this will help expedite his client's exit although I think they've miscalculated the deep pockets that call the ultimate shots
Say what you want about the self-righteous, bald-headed, fullback-inverting, false-9-playing, arm-waving bellend but ultimate respect for standing up to Yaya and that cnut of an agent. He's a goner.
Contrast this to 'BobbyManc' when Tevez refused to come on as a sub against Bayern and subsequently told he has no future at the club, only to be found galavanting around the world playing golf and embarrassingly recalled to the squad a few months later.
Contrast this to 'BobbyManc' when Tevez refused to come on as a sub against Bayern and subsequently told he has no future at the club, only to be found galavanting around the world playing golf and embarrassingly recalled to the squad a few months later.
Could watch this on a loop all day
Derbies are a wierd thing. Psv has been a much bigget rival for Ajax than Feyenoord for the last 20 years, but 'de Klassieker' is still a much bigger game than Ajax - Psv is. Maybe if Psv are their only rival for another 20 years it will change, but City need to play at this level for a lot longee to be considered a rival like Liverpool I think.
Difference is, United City is a derby, and Ajax - Psv for instance is not.
Difference is, United City is a derby, and Ajax - Psv for instance is not.
Also seasonally courting PSG and how they are a great club with an interesting project. I don't pity him one bit.
I much rather have City win the league than Liverpool. I dont really care about City bar the few games we play them every season..
Good smattering of Academy players in squad for tonight's LC match at Swansea.
GK Angus Gunn, FB's Maffeo and Angelino, CB Adarabioyo, DM Aleix Garcia and AM Brahim Diaz all in the squad.
The dogs are barking about Brahim in particular; very promising lad.
GK Angus Gunn, FB's Maffeo and Angelino, CB Adarabioyo, DM Aleix Garcia and AM Brahim Diaz all in the squad.
The dogs are barking about Brahim in particular; very promising lad.
Let's analyze the current best player of ManCity - De Bruyne playing now in the central midfield
- 2 goals + 3 assists this season in 7 games
- His positioning in the 4-1-4-1 system
- Availability: he tries to offer solutions
- Assists
- Pressing
- 2 goals + 3 assists this season in 7 games
- His positioning in the 4-1-4-1 system
- Availability: he tries to offer solutions
- Assists
- Pressing
Well there was Vinnie's yearly appearance, see you again in 2017. Looked like the calf gone again as opposed to the groin. Guy seriously needs to take up yoga.
Still three years under contract on £120K? Doubt he will be going anywhere unless someone matches those terms. In-fact since he signed that 5 year deal he's either been utter shit or injured.
He'll go nowhere, just another 4 months in the physio room, than play a game, than repeat.
What the hell do we expect, asking him to do running and walking and stuff. I mean honestly is it any wonder he gets injured. feck me he could injure himself laughing.
Such a shame but the guys muscles seem so tense. Most players who are kind of injury prone has one bad muscle group (Kun's Hamstrings) but every muscle in Kompany's legs are fecked. Guys got some serious alignment problems or something. either way I think he's pretty much finished as a top player.
Kompany's their Sturridge. It's ridiculous the amount of bad luck he's had recently with injuries. I don't think they'll be as vulnerable without him this season based on how Otamendi and Stones have done so far.
Wish Kompany and Aguero weren't so prone to injury and Touré wasn't so lazy. City could have been a great team these past few years.
Why would a United fan wish for things to make city better?
Read Pep is scouting Grimaldo to come to City.
One of La Masia's most hyped prospects that Lucho got rid of and is probably better than Digne.
One of La Masia's most hyped prospects that Lucho got rid of and is probably better than Digne.
That's nothing recent. He was known as the Man of Glass during his time at Hamburg.
Because Otamendi, Stones and Kolarov have been doing so well at the back of late I think it's added a new dimension to the entire situation with Kompany. When he was injured before we used to descend into mass panic, but now we not only seem slightly more assured in defence but potent enough going forward to redeem ourselves for any defensive mishaps. With Kompany we can now, somewhat unfortunately, get someone in to do his job. I think he'll be gone by the summer if he can't stay fit.
I fully expect us to be back in for Laporte next summer. He's recovered from his injury and is back playing for Bilbao.
Wasn't he the one who rejected City and signed a new contract? Fail to see why he would decide to go now
Yes he is.
I stand by my OP.
Don't think laporte +Stones is good. Actually, I think Stones is overrated AF and Laporte should pair up with Otamendi and find a way for Mangala to be Otamendi's backup....