Our Rivals' squads next year - Manchester City (2016/2017)

It's still early days yet, they were far from great today.

Having said that, I was surprised people had doubts, he's such an obvious WC manager.

Yep yesterday was the worst we've probably played all season, and credit to Swansea they pressed effectively and with more intelligence than most other teams have against us which was a big reason in our below par display. We played ok for the most part but the final ball was often awful, especially de Bruyne's, and it was the kind of game that on another day we'd have lost. Still, I've been pleasantly surprised at how quickly the players have adapted to Guardiola's style, long may it continue.

What's your opinion of Guidolin by the way? I hope Swansea stick with him a little bit longer, there were enough positive signs today to merit that I feel.
 
What's your opinion of Guidolin by the way? I hope Swansea stick with him a little bit longer, there were enough positive signs today to merit that I feel.

I think he's starting to get the balance right and has stopped with overly negative formations. He's had it tough from the board, losing Williams and Ayew. The talk of him being sacked is crazy, especially considering his results last season.

I wish the club had bought in some more players though, especially at CB
 
Maybe you guys forgot, but Spurs killed City when KDB was on their team 4-1

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/9...er-League-2015-2016-Tottenham-Manchester-City

KDB scored on a YAYA counter and City were destroyed that game. Losing KDB is a good thing for Pep. He doesn't have to worry about playing KDB-Silva-Gundogan and can just choose 2 of them.
Maybe you forgot, but KDB was by far the best player against us at Old Trafford this season. How can you say it's a good thing to lose one of his best players? Nutty.
 
Leon Britton after Swanseas 3-1 home defeat to City:

“In terms of the passing, I don’t think I’ve played against a team in the Premier League who keep the ball as well they do with the rotation and the movement.

“Look at the keeper. He’s an extra player. He drops his shoulder and beats a man.

“You think you have them pressed in and there was one instance in the first-half when we did it and he just clipped a ball over all of our heads to Kevin De Bruyne on the halfway line and he was the free man.

“Things like that make it so tough for any team that faces them.

“They are the best I have faced in the Premier League.
 
Aguero - 11 goals including 4 penalties


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They were badly shown up today, second best all over the park. All the more embarrassing considering Spurs had a tough midweek trip to Moscow. It takes very little to get them to crack. At last an end to the Pep's Invincibles hyperbole.
 
People talk about their easy fixtures so far, but ours has been easier so far without having to play the derby away and they've played spurs away now... We have played all the dross so far with the exception of City at home and are five points behind.
 
Pep truly outplayed and outthought today by the former Espanyol coach.
 
I think the past week or so has shown that if you try to match City and don't give them time and space on the ball then they're a team you can definitely get something from. Naturally they're very capable on the ball (as all Guardiola teams are), but due to having lesser quality than the two teams he's managed previously they're not quite as comfortable off the ball as, say, his Barca team were. When you give them too much respect and space they'll tear you apart but if you make it difficult for them, they're beatable.

I also think they've got some real weaknesses at the back - Bravo looks like an accident waiting to happen and while Stones has a lot of potential, he's far from the finished product.

Still, you'd imagine missing KDB has had an impact on them and they're still the favourites for the league, comfortably so as well. But I don't think they'll stroll it with ease and I think there are three or four teams with the potential to give them a good race.
 
Spurs were awesome in fairness to City. So aggressive and energetic all over the pitch, fought for everything and won the battle.

City were always going to lose at some point, still favourites for league by a stretch.
 
City won't play a team as good as that, in the league at least. The rematch in Manchester will be a cracker
 
3 games in a row where they have suffered from pressure football, it doesn't take a side the calibre of Spurs to do it since Celtic played this way a few days ago.
If this happened to United we would be panicing. Hell we did panic when this was the answer to the Bastian and Carrick partnership.
 
City won't play a team as good as that, in the league at least. The rematch in Manchester will be a cracker
I agree that Spurs were quality, but Celtic did the same thing (only couldn't quite win). It's the manner you go about pressing them that unsettles their style of play. You don't need to be a world class team to do it, although obviously it helps if you have better players.
 
Instead of buying both Gabriel Jesus and Leroy Sane they should have bought one of them and used the money for the other one on a new FB, IMO.
 
You're not connecting the right dots in my view. It's fine pointing at all the space Kolarov had, but why was he afforded that space? If the striker presses him then he'll play it to the other defender and goalkeeper back and forth until he's got space again. If the striker AND midfielder press him then Fernandinho drops into the space left in the middle and picks it up to feed Gundogan and KDB with an extra man advantage.

It's completely false to say City are always finding space because the other team isn't trying, when in reality our entire game now revolves around moving the ball into that space. If Kolarov doesn't find himself in space then the ball is moved around until somebody is. You're looking at effect and not looking at the range of causes driving the end result.

You haven't been pressed, even unsuccessfully, in any game other than the second half of the United game.

Bournemouth, while still trying to play 'the right way' were just standing off you. Kolarov, being allowed 10 yards of space in the middle of the pitch continuously is anomalous, as you well know.

You're good, but to suggest that Guardiola has you playing football that literally can't even be challenged is ridiculous, as has been already shown in the 2nd half against a poor United team.

As the season unfurls, you'll realize I'm right.

@Manchester Dan Told you.

Within 3 games (Swansea, Celtic, Spurs), Guardiola has been matched and eventually bettered by teams with lesser players because when you get pressed properly and aggressively in midfield, your players fold.

They're not Barca, or even Bayern, and it was obvious that once teams really got at them they'd start faltering.
 
@Manchester Dan Told you.

Within 3 games (Swansea, Celtic, Spurs), Guardiola has been matched and eventually bettered by teams with lesser players because when you get pressed properly and aggressively in midfield, your players fold.

They're not Barca, or even Bayern, and it was obvious that once teams really got at them they'd start faltering.
You wonder how jose didn't see it eh?
 
@Manchester Dan Told you.

Within 3 games (Swansea, Celtic, Spurs), Guardiola has been matched and eventually bettered by teams with lesser players because when you get pressed properly and aggressively in midfield, your players fold.

They're not Barca, or even Bayern, and it was obvious that once teams really got at them they'd start faltering.

Thats not entirely true, we cut through Swansea numerous times and scored 3 times to their 1 so I'd say he was hardly bettered in that game, we just couldn't put them away till late much like Stoke, but till that point results were the same as West Ham and Sunderland none of whom really pressed us. The same Swansea who said we were the best team they've ever faced?

Celtics 3 goals came from 6 shots, one was offside, one a lucky deflection and the other a fantastic pass by Kolorov. I'll admit they did show great heart but we could have won that game 7 or 8-3. They had 6 shots on goal to our 19. 9 to 25 if you count blocked shots. Add to that Celtic have lost 3 times in 25 CL hope games despite their away woes and I'd say we bettered them too but like almost all our previous performances and the Swansea example just didn't kill them off again like West Ham, Sunderland and United.

The only teams we've actually put to bed this season without late goals are BMG and Bournemouth (CL qualifier aside), everything else has been a struggle to close out and we haven't killed games off like we should.

Of the 3 only Spurs and Poch bettered us and they played really well today, wanted it more, worked harder and were good value for their win. Everyone knows high pressing is a way to beat Pep but anything other than Spurs level today and we can cut teams apart. Liverpool will go that way too but expecting teams to do it at a high enough level to beat us regularly is next to impossible. Spurs have the perfect midfield to play that game and them being able to pull it off will be the exception rather than the rule. Its not just something teams can turn on our off either teams of lesser quality will work hard and try to implement whats Spurs did today but won't be able to do the job they did.

Spurs have been building a team based on high pressing and with all the physical attributes to do that for 2 years, Liverpool for just over a year, to expect others to do it to that level is asking alot of them.

In spite of Spurs dominating the game and being very deserving winners we still carved out 6 decent shooting chances 2nd half, one of which Aguero hit the post with, one he fluffed at the death, Iheanacho missed a soft one and than tripped over his feet. Spurs were out on their feet in the last 10-15 minutes but held firm with a super defensive performance when they tired, all credit to them but they had 10% less of the ball, one shot more (13-12) and one shot more on target (7-6) over the 90 odd minutes. Thats in a game we were dominated in.

As I said deserving winners and outplayed us but to say we folded from being pressed is way over the top. We were well beaten by one of the sides many predicted we would struggle against in a one off game, on the back of pummeling Celtic for 90 minutes only to hand them 3 goals, of which only the 2nd was down to their pressing.

We're not Barca or Bayern that I'll give you, not even close to those teams and I'd expect Barca will prove as much in the CL, but I'm pretty confident not many teams in England will be able to do what Spurs did today.
 
Spurs knew City will try to pass it out of defence, so they pressed their back four and goalkeeper to force mistakes. It's hard work, but it can be done by most teams that are willing. It disrupts their whole game really.

And we know Pep has no plan B.
 
Pep truly outplayed and outthought today by the former Espanyol coach.
Is "the former Espanyol coach" supposed to be some sort of slight on Poch? He is going the right way to win plenty in the game before too long and with limited resources to work with.
He did well at Espanyol keeping them clear of the drop, then performed a minor miracle at Southampton.

City were indeed outplayed by an opponent who gave it their all and did a great job in exposing City's weaknesses.
Pep told everyone who would listen that it would take a defeat to learn about the character of the team and how to improve it.
We'll see what the response is but 18 points out of 21 is not too bad with some tough away games out of the way.
 
They really are. What's worse is that they've had those players for a while now, you'd think they would have been replaced
They're squad players now.
Fernando is in his 3rd season and Navas his 4th and are decent reserves. We hopefully won't have to spend big money replacing them as Aleix Garcia is looking good for the DM role and we have an abundance of young players to play wide right in Navas' place when he goes back to Sevilla.
 
Too much is being read into this game. Pochettino is a fantastic coach when it comes to setting up a team to press. City won't face that kind of team every week. 90% of team's pressing is very disorganized.
 
If you can finish above City you'll win the league, I think it's as simple as that.

Can't see anybody doing that.
 
If you can finish above City you'll win the league, I think it's as simple as that.

Can't see anybody doing that.
Why not Spurs?
I agree with you but am interested to hear what you consider will stop you from doing it?
Squad depth and possibly fatigue from your style of play seem to me to be the most likely reasons.
 
Why not Spurs?
I agree with you but am interested to hear what you consider will stop you from doing it?
Squad depth and possibly fatigue from your style of play seem to me to be the most likely reasons.

I just don't think we are quite ready and I also think we will do better in the CL than must people expect us to. I think we could still win our group and with a favourable last 16 draw we could go QF or even SF. Seems a big shout but I think we can raise our game to very high levels for one off matches or even a 2 legged tie. Going deep into the CL will inevitably have some knock on effects.

But on a week to week basis I think we will still lack the consistency of a City and we will likely get a couple of unexpected poor results from time to time. Finally Kane hitting the goal trail will be vital for us, we were very good up top yesterday but it's a one off game that followed a very profligate performance at Middlesboro and a poor performance in the attacking third in Moscow.

On the plus side our defensive play has been very strong, but we will need Alderweireld to stay fit, for me he's the absolute stand out CB in the PL and a bit like City without Kompany things might look different without him.
 
I just don't think we are quite ready and I also think we will do better in the CL than must people expect us to. I think we could still win our group and with a favourable last 16 draw we could go QF or even SF. Seems a big shout but I think we can raise our game to very high levels for one off matches or even a 2 legged tie. Going deep into the CL will inevitably have some knock on effects.

But on a week to week basis I think we will still lack the consistency of a City and we will likely get a couple of unexpected poor results from time to time. Finally Kane hitting the goal trail will be vital for us, we were very good up top yesterday but it's a one off game that followed a very profligate performance at Middlesboro and a poor performance in the attacking third in Moscow.

On the plus side our defensive play has been very strong, but we will need Alderweireld to stay fit, for me he's the absolute stand out CB in the PL and a bit like City without Kompany things might look different without him.
Good answer. Best of luck for the season.
 
Citeh were relatively poor vs Spurs and deserved to lose. But much of their poor performance wasn't down to Spurs tactics and Guardiola being outsmarted but to the fact that KDB, who was out through injury, is a crucial piece in their attack and Navas is far inferior to Nolito. Plus an own goal from Kolarov that definetely helped Spurs. True, Spurs were without Kane but Son isn't any worse at the moment and is more dynamic than Kane.

IMO, Spurs showed that the best way to play vs Citeh is to match the intensity of their moving or outrun them. The much touted tactics of sitting deep, soaking the pressure and hit on the counter isn't going to work in most cases vs Citeh and Liverpool. They are smelling blood when allowed to dominate the game.