Our Rivals Squad's next year - Liverpool 2015/2016

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If they had this squad at the start of last season, they'd be set for a good season.

The trouble for them is that they've moved two steps forward while the teams around them get ready to move four.

Forgetting the top 4 for a minute, if teams like Palace and Stoke are attracting players like Cabaye and Shaquiri (and I expect a few more of these sort of deals before the window is out) there is going to be a lot finer margins involved in picking up points right across the table.

Signing Danny Ings and James Milner isn't going to put a huge gap between them and the midtable let alone catch the Top 4.
I'm not sure such linear progress is ever so straight forward. To suggest each of the top 4 + Liverpool will all get appreciably better is unlikely. Whatever happens, regression will be a feature of at least one of those teams.

The trick is being able to predict which one.
 
I'm not sure such linear progress is ever so straight forward. To suggest each of the top 4 + Liverpool will all get appreciably better is unlikely. Whatever happens, regression will be a feature of at least one of those teams.

The trick is being able to predict which one.
This is always the case. We talk about progression and transfers taking clubs forward but often even with the new players brought in, the team regresses. Sometimes it's difficult to put a finger on exactly why; the manager, players failing to gel as a team, time to adapt, injuries or simply the wrong players for the system / club / country. The yardstick is Europe and PL teams have clearly regressed in terms of European dominance so one would also have to conclude they are either treading water or have regressed, and that goes for all of the top teams in the PL.
 
People assume our starting position is from where we ended last season. But that's not the case, there's no Stevie Gerrard conundrum for Rodgers to waste half a season on for a start.

Our starting position isn't from where we ended 2nd either as that too was skewed by the presence of Suarez. We're somewhere in between so two steps forward is decent if we indeed do make that.
Where do you reckon you belong in the table as of now? That is considering all the transfers up to this point.
 
People assume our starting position is from where we ended last season. But that's not the case, there's no Stevie Gerrard conundrum for Rodgers to waste half a season on for a start.

Our starting position isn't from where we ended 2nd either as that too was skewed by the presence of Suarez. We're somewhere in between so two steps forward is decent if we indeed do make that.
And Arsenal have signed a top GK, won't waste half a season with Arteta and Flamini as DMs since that French lad had a break out season and could sign Lacazette which would screw us both.
We no longer have to waste half a season on the Falcaol/RVP/Rooney conundrum, have sorted our fullback issues, we are no longer one Michael Carrick injury away from going bust and we have added goals in Depay plus we aren't done yet!
Those are the teams you realistically hope to catch because City and Chelsea could be beyond even us. You and us still need to do more.
 
Where do you reckon you belong in the table as of now? That is considering all the transfers up to this point.
Very difficult to answer. Looks like fifth right now but I'd have said top four last summer and fifth the summer before that. Neither were correct - predicting how new players gel is almost impossible.
 
And Arsenal have signed a top GK, won't waste half a season with Arteta and Flamini as DMs since that French lad had a break out season and could sign Lacazette which would screw us both.
We no longer have to waste half a season on the Falcaol/RVP/Rooney conundrum, have sorted our fullback issues, we are no longer one Michael Carrick injury away from going bust and we have added goals in Depay plus we aren't done yet!
Those are the teams you realistically hope to catch because City and Chelsea could be beyond even us. You and us still need to do more.

True, LvG is one more season settled now. Arsenal really have made big strides and they've lost their bottlers tag with successive trophies. City haven't moved anywhere really.

No team last season had the problem of being decimated like us (Suarez/Sturridge) while having to play a club legend for 18 games as he kept threatening to leave (which he eventually did). Completely messing up a tried and tweed style of playing that would have got us fourth even with the likes of Balotelli in the team. Yes we spent big but the real issue was taking two steps back playing Gerrard.

LvG saw Falcao and Di Maria were playing shit...off to the bench they went. No such graces for us unfortunately, we had no key to unlock our substantial handcuff. Not having Gerrard this season is like being free of a huge weight and boy were we drowning.
 
I think Rodgers tried the whole "top manager,top players" thing last season and realised its not his style, so he has gone after his type of players which might actually improve the team next season.
 
Very difficult to answer. Looks like fifth right now but I'd have said top four last summer and fifth the summer before that. Neither were correct - predicting how new players gel is almost impossible.

Given that Spurs have finished above Liverpool in every season since after 2008-09 (bar one season when you had no European football to contend with), why do you think that sequence going to change next season ... especially when, although you may have strengthened in some areas, you are about to lose your best player (Sterling)?
 
Raheem is gone - £49m. Fingers crossed we can bring in a quality forward now :drool: Lacazette is the dream, but Benteke would more than satisfy me.
 
Just had a look on Twitter and even the official Southampton Twitter account is taking the piss out of Liverpool.

 
Early days but theyre repeating last season so far. Theyve sold their best player again and brought in very solid but very average players to replace him. Who provides the threat now? Coutinho is far from consistent enough.
 
Early days but theyre repeating last season so far. Theyve sold their best player again and brought in very solid but very average players to replace him. Who provides the threat now? Coutinho is far from consistent enough.

It's nowhere near that extreme.

We played Sterling as a striker last season and he scored 7 goals in the league - We're not replacing anyone of Suarez's quality this time around. I'd say, so far, our squad is probably better than it was this time a month ago. If we sign a first choice striker (Lacazette is the dream, Benteke would be great), then we'll be in a much better position than we were the season gone.
 
Given that Spurs have finished above Liverpool in every season since after 2008-09 (bar one season when you had no European football to contend with), why do you think that sequence going to change next season ... especially when, although you may have strengthened in some areas, you are about to lose your best player (Sterling)?

We didn't have a 'best player' last season.

Must admit, that is pretty damning though. Goes to show how utterly average we've been since Rafa's last season.
 
We didn't have a 'best player' last season.

Must admit, that is pretty damning though. Goes to show how utterly average we've been since Rafa's last season.
I disagree, I think Coutinho was a cut above the rest for you last year, I know it doesn't seem like high praise but whenever I saw him he looked really good.
 
I disagree, I think Coutinho was a cut above the rest for you last year, I know it doesn't seem like high praise but whenever I saw him he looked really good.

Perhaps. But we didn't have a stand out player who consistently outshone everyone else.
 
Perhaps. But we didn't have a stand out player who consistently outshone everyone else.
I'll take your word for it as you obviously see more of them than I do, at least next year you have Firminho who looks an exciting player along with Coutinho and Sturridge it could make a good front 3 I reckon.
 
Early days but theyre repeating last season so far. Theyve sold their best player again and brought in very solid but very average players to replace him. Who provides the threat now? Coutinho is far from consistent enough.

I think they'll score goals just fine if they get 25-30 games from Sturridge. I just don't think they'll defend well enough to finish top 4.

One of Sakho or Skrtel should do well but both or Lovren would be surprising.

At the other defensive spots, Moreno, Mignolet, Lucas and Clyne (in his first season) are 4 first choice defensive players that look like 5th-8th place level starters on the whole. Maybe one has a great season, but they probably need 3 to play to a top 4 level and I don't see that happening at all.

They really need to buy some defensive talent.
 
I think they'll score goals just fine if they get 25-30 games from Sturridge. I just don't think they'll defend well enough to finish top 4.

One of Sakho or Skrtel should do well but both or Lovren would be surprising.

At the other defensive spots, Moreno, Mignolet, Lucas and Clyne (in his first season) are 4 first choice defensive players that look like 5th-8th place level starters on the whole. Maybe one has a great season, but they probably need 3 to play to a top 4 level and I don't see that happening at all.

They really need to buy some defensive talent.

They'll be nailed on for their usual 6-7th place finish with the solid squad they now have. Milner will do a good job for them there. Who is the spark to elevate them to the top 4 though? Only Coutinho but hes too inconsistent.

I think Suarez hugely flattered Sturridge and even when fit he wont get near that form again.
 
Given that Spurs have finished above Liverpool in every season since after 2008-09 (bar one season when you had no European football to contend with), why do you think that sequence going to change next season ... especially when, although you may have strengthened in some areas, you are about to lose your best player (Sterling)?
In truth, Liverpool were in free fall after the FA Cup semi - Spurs stumbled to 5th despite being behind Liverpool all season. I expect Liverpool to finish above them. Might be wrong.
 
Interested to see what they'll do with the Sterling cash now.

Shame Rafa's no longer there to splurge it all on about 30 medicore Spanish players.
 
Sterling gone. Coutinho next summer.
Has to be the model, unfortunately. It's about strong reinvestment. Firmino could go to Real / Barca in two years time.

Big players leave clubs. But the clubs live on.
 
Interested to see what they'll do with the Sterling cash now.

Shame Rafa's no longer there to splurge it all on about 30 medicore Spanish players.
Yep. Torres, Mascherano, Alonso and Sterling all bought by Rafa. Just add up the profits for those players alone. Future managers were the beneficiaries of that business.
 
So which Liverpool players think Jordan Ibe is ready to step in for Sterling? For me, he's a good talent but Sterling was extra-ordinary. Don't think Liverpoo will find it easy to replace him inspite of the fact that he wasn't at his best last season(partially due to Brendan playing him in different positions).
 
Yep. Torres, Mascherano, Alonso and Sterling all bought by Rafa. Just add up the profits for those players alone. Future managers were the beneficiaries of that business.

4 out of about 50, the rest of whom were painfully average at best.
 
So which Liverpool players think Jordan Ibe is ready to step in for Sterling? For me, he's a good talent but Sterling was extra-ordinary. Don't think Liverpoo will find it easy to replace him inspite of the fact that he wasn't at his best last season(partially due to Brendan playing him in different positions).

They've already replaced Sterling with Firmino and he's going to be very good for them. They need a striker and several players in other positions though.
 
Has to be the model, unfortunately. It's about strong reinvestment. Firmino could go to Real / Barca in two years time.

Big players leave clubs. But the clubs live on.

Don't disagree.

Where do you think the Sterling money will be reinvested? How do you even think you'll line up next season?

Personally I'd play a diamond like you had success before with, Henderson & Milner on the sides with probably Can holding. Coutinho floating as a #10 and Firmino as one of the forwards?
 
So which Liverpool players think Jordan Ibe is ready to step in for Sterling? For me, he's a good talent but Sterling was extra-ordinary. Don't think Liverpoo will find it easy to replace him inspite of the fact that he wasn't at his best last season(partially due to Brendan playing him in different positions).

Henderson, Coutinho, Milner and Mingolet think he is ready. Joe Allen and Sakho are on the fence while Lucas and Skrtl think he would benefit from another loan first.
 
Liverpool will probably finish somewhere between 7th and 5th. The only problem with that is it may cost Rodgers his job, which would be a shame.
 
They've already replaced Sterling with Firmino and he's going to be very good for them. They need a striker and several players in other positions though.

I am not sure he is a direct replacement, it's hard to say at the moment.

I would like to think Ibe will get more game time, which he deserves.

Personally I still rate Lallana highly, he never got going last season. Got a bad injury in pre-season and a few others later on too that disrupted his availability on a regular basis.
I think assuming he stays fit he could benefit a lot from Sterling going.

Markovic has a lot to prove still.
 
We didn't have a 'best player' last season.

Must admit, that is pretty damning though. Goes to show how utterly average we've been since Rafa's last season.
I take you were a hermit in a mountain retreat in China in 2013/14 then ? Rafa may have delivered the CL but none of his teams ever played the type of exhilarating football we did for the majority of the 2013/14 season.
 
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I think they'll score goals just fine if they get 25-30 games from Sturridge. I just don't think they'll defend well enough to finish top 4.

One of Sakho or Skrtel should do well but both or Lovren would be surprising.

At the other defensive spots, Moreno, Mignolet, Lucas and Clyne (in his first season) are 4 first choice defensive players that look like 5th-8th place level starters on the whole. Maybe one has a great season, but they probably need 3 to play to a top 4 level and I don't see that happening at all.

They really need to buy some defensive talent.
Mignolet is constantly under-valued because he can be inconsistent but there was a seismic shift in the way he approaches in-game decisions and that resulted in his almost winning the Golden Gloves last year. Surprising perhaps if our defence is as bad as some would have us believe.
I'm not sure Lucas will be here come the end of the transfer window but the results when he plays show that, despite BR's belief to the contrary, we need a DM. Schneiderlin would have been perfect for the way we play, I've heard he's about to move somewhere else though.
Clyne is PL tested and proven, I'm pretty confident he'll have a very good season for us, especially with the strong likelihood we'll now be reverting to a 442 diamond or 433, maybe that will help Moreno too - though I'm far less confident there, so hopefully Flanno will recover sooner than the January date given by the physios to give us more defensive strength at LB in the games where it's required.
Very confident in Sakho and Skrtel is a consistent 7.5/10 season after season. Lovren ... well I guess there's still hope however I'm far more excited about Gomez' arrival (though I guess it will be a couple of seasons at least before he challenges for a regular place).
 
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