Think Maguire and Shaw have not been the same as last season, can understand it as they played non-stop for some time now. But can't think about individual performances isolated from organisation of defence and team in general and that's job of coaching staff so perhaps with other coaches we become more stabile at the back again.
Our Defence - Has it actually been fixed?
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AWB isnt even on a good level, nevermind elite. He will never reach it. The only thing he is good at is tackling, after often being out of position in the first place.
Conclusive ‘NO’
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DDG is right and he has a better view than any of us, we play like kids.
Burning money on every possible defender out there is hardly fixing stuff and possibly we're about to spew another chunk of budget on RB.
The whole team feels like it's being made of parts that are not entirely matched to fit each other. No chemistry and on top of that formations being separated against each other instead gelling them together into unit.
Harry Maguire returns from the international tournament in which only couple of Italian defenders could match his overall superiority and now is being reduced to Titus Bramble drone without basic sense of positioning. Shit has hit the fan on entire football club level.
The whole team feels like it's being made of parts that are not entirely matched to fit each other. No chemistry and on top of that formations being separated against each other instead gelling them together into unit.
Harry Maguire returns from the international tournament in which only couple of Italian defenders could match his overall superiority and now is being reduced to Titus Bramble drone without basic sense of positioning. Shit has hit the fan on entire football club level.
I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he will improve but his positioning just never seems to get better. Last year against Leipzig (away) showed how badly our full backs can get dragged all over the place and it just seems to happen too often.
Our defence is a disorganized rabble and has been for way too long
Valid case to be made that a new manager will ideally want three new first choice defenders and a new GK.
It's a complete disaster.
Just looks so fecking disjointed but it’s never helped when Matic is expected to play 90 minutes when his legs went a good couple of years ago, defensively Dalot and Telles are always have a mistake or two in them whilst Fred couldn’t trap a concrete block and has the worst first worst touch I’ve ever seen from a Brazilian.
You’d think an apparent world class defender would improve things, not make it worse.
It's all big lump Harry's fault. Oh wait...
Teams create far too many chances against us which is ultimately down to the midfield.. wouldn’t say it’s down to the defence being poor.
today it was all down to loss of midfield control second half. That is on Rangnick
Varane doesn't look any better than Maguire and Lindelof. How the hell do we still need a whole new defence and midfield. Matic playing 90 minutes shouldn't happen. Asking for trouble.
We have no midfield. The defence is literally exposed every game. Players run right through us. I swear every game the opposition have a mini Messi in their team.
This. Judging the Lindelof-Varane partnership tonight is like trying to judge the handling of a car without a steering wheel.
Nope.
As I keep telling you all, we have a World Cup winning, multiple CL winning French International CB, England's best CB, Sweden's captain and Eric Bailly, who when fit is one of the best CBs in the league.
The problem is not and has never been our individual defenders. Our midfield is arguably the worst in the league and we have a GK who is capable of making the odd reflex save but does nothing at all for his back four.
The problem is not and has never been our individual defenders. Our midfield is arguably the worst in the league and we have a GK who is capable of making the odd reflex save but does nothing at all for his back four.
Our midfield isn't anywhere near good enough in both defensive and offensive transitions. And when your midfield is worse in comparison to mid table clubs, then you're in trouble. Our aim should be to have a midfield which is comparable to teams like City, Bayern, Madrid etc, when it comes to controlling games both in/out of possession. And our midfield isn't anywhere close to the aforementioned teams, and if i'm honest, I doubt any one of Mctominay, Fred, Matic, even make the Aston Villa first 11.
Improve the midfield and improve the fullbacks, and there'll be a big improvement collectively when it comes to defending imo.
Improve the midfield and improve the fullbacks, and there'll be a big improvement collectively when it comes to defending imo.
Its impossible to tell with our midfield.
This. Our defence is doing well imo.
Our midfield is shambolic. If they had Ndidi for example protecting them, we'd have a lot more points than we do now.
On what planet is this statement true, because it isn't this one.
Pretty obvious there’s a lack of organisation and responsibility regardless of who plays. Shame Harry didn’t play so the blame could have been on him.
We were pretty solid until Matic gassed out and we had zero options to replace him. Be nice if Ralf was allowed to bring in a cheap punt to at least give us numbers.
Our midfield was madness.
Cavani appeared to be defending slightly left, Bruno was in cm, matic was deeper and Fred was our furthest forward player without the ball.
I can't for the life of me work out what was going on.
Midfield is the real problem. With the midfield we have, we’d make a home game against Plymouth Argyle an end-to-end battle where we have to rely on the superior quality of our forwards to win us the game. We’ve barely had an easy/comfortable game, at ANY level, for about 3 or 4 years.
How hard can it be to keep two or three clean sheets in a row? God.
So long as we have the most timid goalkeeper in world football playing for us then our defence will never be fixed.
We could have Maldini and Baresi playing in defence and we would still concede goals because they get no help at all from the goalkeeper.
Yes, he's a decent shot-stopper, as all goalkeepers are, but the fact is that there is more to goal-keeping than shot stopping and when it comes to the other aspects such as communication, command of the box, distribution, sweeping and organising the defence, De Gea may as well not be there.
Elite level sport is all about fine margins and this is costing us week in week out.
How anyone can watch a Man Utd match and not see how much of a major concern this is is baffling to me.
I'm not saying it's our only problem at all, I agree the midfield is a shambles too but, in my opinion, De Gea's blindingly obvious flaws are the main reason we concede a lot of possession, chances and ultimately, goals.
We could have Maldini and Baresi playing in defence and we would still concede goals because they get no help at all from the goalkeeper.
Yes, he's a decent shot-stopper, as all goalkeepers are, but the fact is that there is more to goal-keeping than shot stopping and when it comes to the other aspects such as communication, command of the box, distribution, sweeping and organising the defence, De Gea may as well not be there.
Elite level sport is all about fine margins and this is costing us week in week out.
How anyone can watch a Man Utd match and not see how much of a major concern this is is baffling to me.
I'm not saying it's our only problem at all, I agree the midfield is a shambles too but, in my opinion, De Gea's blindingly obvious flaws are the main reason we concede a lot of possession, chances and ultimately, goals.
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Agree 100%.
No hope for these clowns.
Shaw and Harry are beyond saving.
Maguire and Shaw are the new chuckle brothers
Telles would have played if he’d been available. Maguire is crap though.
I swear they had more comedy situation this season alone than Jones and Smalling ever had.
I'm convinced that Maguire will never fit into a back 4 that plays a high defensive line.
It is absolutely shocking what we paid for Maguire. That decision in itself has proved to be extremely costly.
It won't be fixed until Maguire is moved on
Whilst he's here he'll always play because of his price tag and the captaincy
Whilst he's here he'll always play because of his price tag and the captaincy
The goal was disappointing again. Wouldn't mind seeing the Varane/Lindelof pairing. Still not convinced what our best back four is though.