If it was just the keeper position that needed sorting then sure, let's be ruthless and replace him. The reality is that we've huge problems in defence, midfield and attack. This is Onana's first season, it's sensible to give him a second one given how much attention is needed in all of the other departments of the team. You've got to have a realistic approach to the ongoing overhaul. Unless a unbelievable deal for a top class keeper presents itself then this is can't be on the list for sorting out this summer. And who knows, a bit of patience may pay off and we see much better performances from him next year.
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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Because we've conceded the most amount of shots in recorded history for a Manchester United side. That's called "facts", not "excuses." And he was in Inter Milan side last year that protected him and got to a Champions League final. I'm sure the middle ground is somewhere in the middle of "he's great" and "he's shit."
I agree with this analysis. We have higher priorities to address than the keeper position, so let's not make the same mistake we made last summer by draining limitedf funds from our transfer warchest, whatever it is, that in so doing would undermine our ability to address those higher priorities.
I think he's been reasonable all things considered . According to the premier League site , he has Slightly higher save percentage than ddg last year , slightly better pass completion , claims more , it's not that bad a first season behind new ever changing players .
I agree with this. We are certainly not going to spend 50+ million on a keeper this summer.
However, we could get a cheap loan, like the Olympiakos keeper, with the option to buy, and use him and Bayındır. Perhaps they are more consistent.
He was worse earlier in the season before the injuries
Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.
Stats are what they are. As a fan I don't feel confident when he faces any shots, partly because I don't know what he's going to do, and oddly I'm not sure he knows either.
Still wouldn't bin him off already though, because he has calmed down a bit since the start of the season. I expect him to be better in certain aspects when it all kicks off again, hopefully with a settled defence in front of him.
Still wouldn't bin him off already though, because he has calmed down a bit since the start of the season. I expect him to be better in certain aspects when it all kicks off again, hopefully with a settled defence in front of him.
All these stats tell me is that he’s played most games and had to face many shots this season which is what we know already.
Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.
Doesn’t really tell me much about his quality.
This thread is far too big considering it's title.
To be fair it's a daft thread which has (unfunny) title changes every other day.
He'd be a great keeper for City or Arsenal. For a crap team like us, you might as well have a specialised shot stopper.
Hopefully we won't be a crap team forever though....
Hopefully we won't be a crap team forever though....
Any other keeper would have given up or what does this mean?
Can someone post the amount of errors he has made this season? There must be some kind of statistic about that since we have a stats brigade on stand by.
Its a common analogy used in a sentence to heighten a point, Captain Literal.Any other keeper would have given up or what does this mean?
I think it's fair to give Onana a second season. Players need two seasons to be judged properly, in my opinion.
Any other keeper would have given up or what does this mean?
Can someone post the amount of errors he has made this season? There must be some kind of statistic about that since we have a stats brigade on stand by.
According to the official Premier League stats site he has only made 1 error leading to a goal in the Premier League this season.
David Raya of Arsenal has made 3 mistakes leading to goals in 6 less games and Allison has made 2 in 10 less games.
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If you want to compare purely pased on stats, DDG was 1st in clean sheet last season. Even last season's de gea was nowhere near as horrific and to watch as onana.
Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.
Onana is obviously going to have made more errors than most keepers this season, he's conceded the most shots!
I don't think reason works anymore, try clowning them? Onana has been pretty solid albeit prone to the odd wtaf moment...
That is why you can't take stats for granted can you?
Some people have convinced themselves that he has been horrific and a disaster but the fact is the stats show he clearly hasnt been.
We've several people here that don't understand the difference between number of shots faced and percentage of shots saved, their minds will go blank at the concept of Expected goals prevented.
Some interesting stats from SkySports. As of the 10th of April his goals prevented was 5.7, so that's dropped quite heavily, probably in no small part due to the horror show against Palace, but still a huge improvement on DDG last season.
Onana is a good keeper, not as good as we would like but certainly not shit either. A better one would be nice but if that required significant finance then the money would be better spent elsewhere, in the near term at least.
Had a good game yesterday. The problem is he has often followed up good performances with howlers in the next game. Really hope he can add some consistency to his game next season, because at his best is good enough, and it is a bonus to have someone so capable with his feet.
Onana has faced 200 shots now this season in the league which is more than any Man Utd keeper in history yet people still critise him for conceeding goals.
As ive said previously there is no goalkeeper in the world that wouldnt have struggled in our team this season with no proper defence or midfield in front of them.
As ive said previously there is no goalkeeper in the world that wouldnt have struggled in our team this season with no proper defence or midfield in front of them.
I thought he played very well last night, yet still conceded 2 goals - aside from his howlers that is the story of his season. He struggles to keep the ball out of his net more often than not.
Let's face it, United aren't going to be looking for a new keeper in the summer, we've got much more urgent problems to resolve and looking for a new world class keeper isn't one of them, especially when we've just forked out millions for him.
At this point in time I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's his first season, he's had to settle into a new country, the pressure and expectation has been on since day one. He's also had one of Uniteds most make-shift defences in front of him all season that I've ever seen. There's been no consistency.
Yes he's made some howlers, but he's also made some good saves. I'm hoping a good summer studying the pace of the Prem and upping his game will see more consistent performances next season.
If he's shite at the end of next season, then maybe look at replacing him. But for now let's get behind him and hope he becomes a legend.
At this point in time I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's his first season, he's had to settle into a new country, the pressure and expectation has been on since day one. He's also had one of Uniteds most make-shift defences in front of him all season that I've ever seen. There's been no consistency.
Yes he's made some howlers, but he's also made some good saves. I'm hoping a good summer studying the pace of the Prem and upping his game will see more consistent performances next season.
If he's shite at the end of next season, then maybe look at replacing him. But for now let's get behind him and hope he becomes a legend.
You wouldn't see a disaster even if it hit your on the forehead. The stupid penalty, goals against Palace, Forrest, Chelsea and they are just of the top of my head. Stats don't list those I suppose?
Great stop with his face last night, pretty sure it’s not the first time as well.
Showboating?
Showboating?
Stats include that all keepers make mistakes. Some make more, some make less. Onana isn't an elite shot stopper, but still good. That's what the stats tell us and what the eye test should also confirm. So he could be improved upon for sure, but it might be helpful to start with actually getting a defensive system that doesn't leak 20+ shots every single match.
Onana makes more is what you want to tell me? Yes I agree and realize that, good shot stopper? I disagree he is a very average shot stopper. The stats also tell us that he has only one mistake leading to goal in the PL while we all remember him making much more than that. He should be improved if we are to be a serious football team, that is of course along the defense.
Other keepers in our history conceded 50 shots per season?
Also, teams are encouraged to take potshots because they know he's an accident waiting to happen, which inflates the number of shots he faces. Our setup certainly doesn't help though.
Clean sheets are a team stat. In the specific goalkeeping ones, Onana clearly comes out ahead of DDG last season. Even if they were even, Onana costs half as much in wages, DDG had to go.
As much as I've strongly critisized him, I am thinking there could be a top goalie in there. I've gone from bobbins to potential world class. Thats football though surely??
Several is quite the understatement. I think a large part of it is that quite a few posters have seen the high profile mistakes he's made and have made up their minds, so any evidence to the contrary is rejected.
I don't think Onana will ever be the world's best shot stopper, he's too prone to calamitous errors, but he has a lot of potential as a sweeper keeper in a team that's comfortable in possession.
Very interesting. Some people think he has been absolutely poor and couldnt save a word file while some thinks he has been doing OK, which is insane since he single handled causes our UCL exit and letting soft goals go in throughout the season after I heard people slamming DDG for doing the same on amuch lesser scale last season.
It's almost like we have been watching different players in a parallel universe.
It's almost like we have been watching different players in a parallel universe.
We can keep for him next season as we need to spend funds elsewhere, but ultimately he'll have to be moved on if it is our intention to challenge for/win the two big trophies.
Onana is twice the keeper as DDG for his last few years. He’s a very good keeper. He could still be world class in the right setup. Same as Mount (sorry not sorry)
Onana is in the top 5 keepers in the league after a horrific early season. First season. Jurys out for me. I like him, he’s a nutter and very good on the ball
Onana is in the top 5 keepers in the league after a horrific early season. First season. Jurys out for me. I like him, he’s a nutter and very good on the ball
DDG also faced significantly less shots.
Learn how to interpret stats before trying to use them to back your arguments.
Onana got better and better this season and looks good. A gk also looks better with a stable back four that we didn’t have for the whole season. Just get a fit top lb, Licha back and a top cb and the whole situation will look different. With a top partner for mainoo it could be enough to suddenly play good football again. This season was a freak season when looking at the injuries