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Olympics boxing controversy - IBA bans lifted on Lin and Khelif by IOC
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Right? You’ve gotta figure an IOC lawyer was sitting there banging his head on something
It could be both. In the case of Imane Khelif the algerian federation said that she was following a treatment in order to be within the qualification limits. It could be DSD or it could one of the other disorders that increase levels of testosterones or androgens(for example virilization).
Anyway they opened the door for more speculation and less clarity.
I’d not seen the statement from the Algerian federation. That at least narrows it down a little bit.
And yes, agreed, the IOC itself isn’t really helping things much with their statement
I think the IOC president was just reiterating the message of the spokesperson here, but mixed up his terms.
The IOC aren’t testing female boxers for DSDs and it isn’t part of their eligibility criteria.
Thank you, I’d thought that was the case but with them correcting that statement, I was then wondering if something had changed.
She won easily enough today, so now guaranteed a bronze I think. She would have been due to face the Olympic champion but she lost her bout, so will re-face the fighter she beat in the SF of the worlds last year (before she got DQed). Probably will at least make the final now.
Glad she won, that Hungarian boxer is an awful person.
To be fair, apparently she was very generous in defeat.
The media are just scum.
Almost makes up for the copious bile and vitriol she was sharing to thousands beforehand. Almost.
New reporting from highly respected Olympics journalist, Alan Abrahamson
August 3, 2024
IBA letter to IOC, June 2023: Boxer's 'DNA was that of a male consisting of XY chromosomes'
PARIS – The athlete who has ignited a worldwide controversy in Olympic women’s boxing was disqualified from the 2023 International Boxing Assn. world championships in New Delhi after two tests, one in India amid that tournament and a prior test in Turkey in May 2022, “concluded the boxer’s DNA was that of a male consisting of XY chromosomes,” according to correspondence the IBA sent in June 2023 – more than a year ago – to the International Olympic Committee.
The June 5, 2023, letter, spotlighting Algeria’s Imane Khelif, reads, “This situation epitomizes the importance of protecting safe sport, and the integrity of sport in which the Olympic Movement is jointly committed to.”
3 Wire Sports has seen the letter and the tests.
The documents shed new light on the controversy enveloping Khelif and, as well, Yu Ting Lin of Chinese Taipei that has erupted at these Paris 2024 Games.
https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2024/8/3/0d4ucn50bmvbndhhqjohaneccoqueq
https://annenberg.usc.edu/faculty/alan-abrahamson
August 3, 2024
IBA letter to IOC, June 2023: Boxer's 'DNA was that of a male consisting of XY chromosomes'
PARIS – The athlete who has ignited a worldwide controversy in Olympic women’s boxing was disqualified from the 2023 International Boxing Assn. world championships in New Delhi after two tests, one in India amid that tournament and a prior test in Turkey in May 2022, “concluded the boxer’s DNA was that of a male consisting of XY chromosomes,” according to correspondence the IBA sent in June 2023 – more than a year ago – to the International Olympic Committee.
The June 5, 2023, letter, spotlighting Algeria’s Imane Khelif, reads, “This situation epitomizes the importance of protecting safe sport, and the integrity of sport in which the Olympic Movement is jointly committed to.”
3 Wire Sports has seen the letter and the tests.
The documents shed new light on the controversy enveloping Khelif and, as well, Yu Ting Lin of Chinese Taipei that has erupted at these Paris 2024 Games.
https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2024/8/3/0d4ucn50bmvbndhhqjohaneccoqueq
https://annenberg.usc.edu/faculty/alan-abrahamson
I'm a bit confused. How has Abrahamson seen the tests? I was of the understanding that the IBA had not released the tests.
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He probably saw a piece of paper that said, "Imane is male, love the IBA", like most people arguing she is a male.
From what I understand he is basing this article on letters from the IBA. Now as outsiders we don't know what is true or not and the IBA hasn't tried to make things clear but I'm a bit bemused by the idea that they did tests in 2022 and only got the results nearly a year later but somehow managed to get the results of a second test within days if not hours in 2023.
Abrahamson is claiming to have seen the actual tests though:
Yet on this page we have an interview with the CEO of the IBA in which he says that those tests remain confidential and so refuses to reveal their contents. My guess is that Abrahamson has seen the results, but not the test.Article said:
With regards to the 2022 tests the IBA says that the results were available by the end of the 2022 World Championship, so I don't think it took a year. It does seem a bit odd that they would not act on those results though, then wait till midway through the next years competition before deciding to retest.
You are right, I misread it.
From how I read it in the article, it seems as if the IBA has allowed him to see the letter & tests to show him what they were & that they were sent to the IOC
From the article:
To this part, it seems as if Abrahamson is saying that there’s no way the IOC hadn’t seen the tests, despite what they’ve said.
Boxing group answers some questions but raises many more about tests on Imane Khelif, Lin Yu-ting
https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-boxing-imane-khelif-iba-a26248f5285889dae13743f535ef9ed3
https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-boxing-imane-khelif-iba-a26248f5285889dae13743f535ef9ed3
The guy is literally considered "the" reporter on the Olympics.Love the addition of the ‘highly respected’
This is basically: ‘trust me, bro’
But go on son
@stepic - take it up with the University of Southern California, who wrote this as his bio...
"One of the world’s foremost experts on the Olympic movement, Alan Abrahamson is an award-winning sportswriter, best-selling author and in-demand television analyst."
"His website, 3 Wire Sports, launched in 2010, has been described as “the world’s best source of information about the [Olympic] Games and the culture that surrounds them.”
"From 2006 until 2010, Abrahamson served as a columnist at NBCOlympics.com, NBCSports.com, and UniversalSports.com. For the 17 years before that, he was a staff writer at the Los Angeles Times — nine years in news, the last eight in sports. The 2020 Tokyo Games marked his eleventh Olympics, Summer and Winter; he is a member of the International Olympic Committee’s press committee."
"One of the world’s foremost experts on the Olympic movement, Alan Abrahamson is an award-winning sportswriter, best-selling author and in-demand television analyst."
"His website, 3 Wire Sports, launched in 2010, has been described as “the world’s best source of information about the [Olympic] Games and the culture that surrounds them.”
"From 2006 until 2010, Abrahamson served as a columnist at NBCOlympics.com, NBCSports.com, and UniversalSports.com. For the 17 years before that, he was a staff writer at the Los Angeles Times — nine years in news, the last eight in sports. The 2020 Tokyo Games marked his eleventh Olympics, Summer and Winter; he is a member of the International Olympic Committee’s press committee."
I’m sure he is the best of the best, but my point remains. All he said basically boils down to: ‘trust me, bro’. That is: sweet feck all.
Cool beans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cwy77419n37o
Khelif wins again to reach final amid eligibility row
Hope she wins it.
100%
Good on her, well-deserved.
From what has come out since, he seems a complete numpty if he just believed whatever they fed him, because they themselves seemingly don't even know what tests these two women failed.
Well the other women on the podium looked absolutely gutted and heart-broken and couldn't wait to get away from Khelif.
Not.
Not.
Good on her. I watched the fight and it's not like she overpowered her opponent.
And even if she had have done, who cares.
The whole controversy is bs. And people like Elon Musk, Trump, Piers Morgan and J.K. Rowling are fecking cancer in our society.
She was born with and still has a vagina, to the best of our knowledge. The same people who are questioning her, are the same people who will also say that god only created two sexes and you should use the bathroom that corresponds. So if she cant compete in women's boxing because you believe she had heightened testosterone levels, then which bathroom should she be using?
It is great to see the people of Algeria have her back.
And even if she had have done, who cares.
The whole controversy is bs. And people like Elon Musk, Trump, Piers Morgan and J.K. Rowling are fecking cancer in our society.
She was born with and still has a vagina, to the best of our knowledge. The same people who are questioning her, are the same people who will also say that god only created two sexes and you should use the bathroom that corresponds. So if she cant compete in women's boxing because you believe she had heightened testosterone levels, then which bathroom should she be using?
It is great to see the people of Algeria have her back.
Well then the question comes up of if the IBA falsified the chromosomal reports from the CAP accredited & IOC certified lab in New Delhi… which, if they did, then that should be the final nail in the coffin for the IBA.
Glad she won. The way they celebrated in Algeria warms your heart.
nah man, didn’t you know he’s literally considered "the" reporter on the Olympics?
It’s confirmed that they got the letter he reported on. If his reporting ends up proving someone is lying about it or falsifying documents from an accredited lab, then what are you going to say?
Faked ot not, the fact that IBA has been as vague as they have been, giving differing and contradicting statements regarding the type of tests, while also repeatedly implying that the two women might be trans, should have had normal people taking a step back.
They might well have XY chromosomes, but what we're seeing here is a bigger, more bigoted and more demeaning version of the circus Semenya got subjected to and any serious person should have distanced themselves from it.
This Abrahamson fella also comes across as a bit of a weirdo with a trans bee in his bonnet, so I'm going to write him off as a clown.
Et tu, Brute?
This is the monster that assholes on Twitter demonized by the way...