And yet since Ole has become manager, we have given contract extensions to the likes of Young, Jones, Mata and De Gea, and failed to clear out deadwood such as Pereira, Lingard, Matic and Rojo (despite Ole's hollow threats after the Everton thrashing at the end of last season.) It all sounds good in theory what you are saying, but I see it as just further evidence of the lack of coherent planning that has been a feature of the post-Fergie era (you might even argue that it began before Fergie retired, but that's a different discussion.)
Ole says this season will be used to find next season’s squad
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It would be considered a miracle if ole got to the final of the EL in December and a greater miracle of he got into the CL final in December even though we aren’t participating in it this year.
That’s a bit unfair I think.
I’m backing Ole, but if he goes of course we should get someone best qualified for the job, you could argue that in a way the likes of Jose, LVG and Moyes weren’t qualified.
They had good records but didn’t really fit with what the supporters are looking for long term.
I wouldn't mind keeping those if he sign top class players to strengthen us. DDG worries me, he was once our rock, but not sure he is in this day and age.
Ah, the old "building a foundation" excuse. Remember hearing it a lot from fans during LVG's second season. Turns out, there was no plan and no foundation being built all along.
You’d like to think they’re looking at talented players to bring in January and the summer, if we can’t get them then we need to change it for someone who can.
I agree with you about De Gea, but I doubt there are any plans to replace him, even though they maybe should be.
Who gives a shit that we have one of the most expensive squads? What an utterly pointless metric to base a point on. Measure it on how good the squad. And if you're going to cut my post down to three lines, don't just ignore the context in the rest of the post. You're better than that. It's almost as bad as using strawman arguments and putting those in quotation marks... Oh wait, you did that too.
'We just lost to Watford.' If I had said, 'We have just beaten City and Spurs,' last week and used that to justify everything I've said, it would look a little silly, wouldn't it.
It is absolutely insane.
Why do the elite send their children to the best schools in the world under the best teachers? How stupid are they, just send them to the local college instead. They will do as good of a job developing them.
Whoever actually thinks it is a successful strategy to have young kids develop inside of an environment with no high standards and expectations being set is mad.
Blind leading the blind sums up our current strategy.
Ole " In this envelope is a plan but I wont open the envelope and show the plan in another....umm...few years...I guess ? "
The envelope is empty.
I would love to see Henderson back.
Me too mate, he’s a really talented keeper and his mentality is fantastic.
He carries himself like a proper united player, I think if we don’t make use of him he’ll find himself at one of the bigger clubs anyway.
So your Ole
You've been left a squad with shit attitudes, poor quality and mercenarys
You're hamstrung by a very slow moving recruitment team, who have sanctioned sales but not replaced adequatley
You're left with academy players and inexperienced players to plug the gaps
Did anybody else think this season would be anything other than an inconsistent mess, until at least 6/7 replacement players could be brought in?
I think there is far too much panty wetting going on until Ole can pick from a greater depth of players, Ole hasn't been helped with a lot of the better players making stupid mistakes De Gaea, Lindelof, Rashford
I'm willing to be patient and wait until after the next two transfer windows, when more dead wood will be moved on and we 'l see if Woodward and his team of merry men have sorted their shit out and had an efficient two transfer windows
You've been left a squad with shit attitudes, poor quality and mercenarys
You're hamstrung by a very slow moving recruitment team, who have sanctioned sales but not replaced adequatley
You're left with academy players and inexperienced players to plug the gaps
Did anybody else think this season would be anything other than an inconsistent mess, until at least 6/7 replacement players could be brought in?
I think there is far too much panty wetting going on until Ole can pick from a greater depth of players, Ole hasn't been helped with a lot of the better players making stupid mistakes De Gaea, Lindelof, Rashford
I'm willing to be patient and wait until after the next two transfer windows, when more dead wood will be moved on and we 'l see if Woodward and his team of merry men have sorted their shit out and had an efficient two transfer windows
My point is he keeps fobbing the fans off with excuses. He said it last season, and he’ll say it again next season to justify why we’re sat in 15th by November.
Where did you think this squad would finish pre season? Whining about being 8th after 18 games doesn't make much sense if you thought we were likely to finish 6th. And if you thought we were going to finish much higher than 6th you aren't a very good judge of player quality.
Basically Ole needs better players to do it for themselves on the pitch. No guidance, little coaching/patterns of play
The senior management definitely have finances at the top of their agenda, but that doesn't mean we'll be signing anyone just for the brand.
Part of the finances being number 1 priority for the club is cashflow management and not overspending in one transfer window is clearly the way that the club wants to go. The club is clearly moving in an 'academy first' direction, with players being brought in to cover gaps where the academy can't. Which seems like a smart move since transfer inflation is out of control.
If you've followed u18s/23s football over the last few years you'll know that the current batch is quite promising in the 18-21yo group. We've restructured the academy and the scouting network (after Moyes decimated it), when people are asking 'where are the scouts looking', most of the scouts appear to be focused on youth football and we've been bringing in some really highly rated 15/16yo players (a few of whom are injured at the moment so hype hasn't started building yet).
We have a lot of 21-25yos in our first team squad, and a few weak links in the 26-30 age range which partly explains why our mentality and quality is so inconsistent. From my perspective, Ole is trying to bide time so our best 21-25yos become the seasoned pros that are leading our squad along with the best of the current 26+ players and we get the the next batch through, along with new signings to cover the notable gaps in experience in the squad, and what is being produced from the academy (or where the academy lads don't make the grade). The obvious gaps in the squad being number 10, Striker and a deep lying midfielder - where our cover is basically some young lads who aren't ready for the job consistently. The reporting in the press is that Ole is more than aware of those and trying to fix over the next 2 windows.. we'll have to see if the club backs him properly.
It's clear that he wants to impose his own brand of football on the team as well, with a 4-2-3-1 high press system that the players seem to be struggling with. It can't change overnight given the hand he was dealt and where he wants to get to. He's made a start with shifting 7 and bringing in 3.
If he gets to this point next season and we've backed him and its still not working then we should be looking at a new manager that plays in a similar style but has a more proven track record. Hopefully with a more balanced squad they will be able to produce.
It would be a very, very big mistake if we don't wait and see what he does next season.
When was the last time we were good and winning against the bigger teams?
We all know there is no squad depth and that is visible vs the other teams and that is why we don't win plus the weak De Gea who has made 6 mistakes that have led to goals - more errors than any other player in the PL.
In addition to that, he is missing his best player, according to most of you - Pogba.
When was the last time we were good and winning against the bigger teams?
We all know there is no squad depth and that is visible vs the other teams and that is why we don't win plus the weak De Gea who has made 6 mistakes that have led to goals - more errors than any other player in the PL.
In addition to that, he is missing his best player, according to most of you - Pogba.
Yeah the longterm goal is to build a team good enough to win premier league. But you do have short goals too. And top for 4 and good results can make it easier to attract top talents and player. Because if you finish between 6-10 th place and Chelsea got ch.league spot. And both teams want Jadon Sancho. Sancho might pick Chelsea over United.
So before this season start. The team shall be good enough for top 4. This is United. The lowest goal shall be top 4. You can’t say we don’t fight for ch.league spot. Because results are not important. We are on rebuilding.
United central line/spine are not so worst. Fully fit and on theirs best.
De Gea - Maguire - Pogba & McTom and Rashford.
I am agree with the longterm. Everybody who are realistic know United are not there with Pool and City. But again short goal shall be there. Winning most matches as possible and get top 4. Half season and 6 months shall be enough time to figure out your team weakness and strength. And the key to success is always. Solve your weakest point and biggest problem to survive first. And that is the reason of United poor result this season. United biggest weakness didn’t get solve in summer transfer window.
United would get top 4 this season. If they keep Smalling, not buying Maguire and spent 80 mill on a really good creative cm instead. Then they might could come back for Leicester younger CB Suyuncu or other really good CB next summer.
So done is done. Let we see which cm Ole and DOF is buying this January. If not next summer. A nr.8 and RW are United weakest link before last summer. Didn’t fix and solve it. So it wasn’t about time. But due to prior. Ole want Maguire first. When United had CBs good enough for top 4 this season. Smalling, Jones, Bailly, Lindelof and Tuanzebe are good enough for top 4. They did it under LVG and Mourinho. Without Pogba, another cm and a top RW. There s United problem. Domino effect. Because of that. Plus unlucky with Pogba injury. Poor result come and excuses.
But in the end. If the club give him time and two summer transfer windows. I will take all mine words above back. The club and Ole have another strategy and plan. There are many ways and paths to the top of the mountain. Nothing right or wrong. They have chosen another path. But in a 2/3 years, if United dont get top 4. Then we will be sure they were on the wrong path. That didn’t lead to the top is calling top 4.
My path and philosophy is I always fix and solve my weakness and biggest problem first, then lesser and lesser. And i do not know Ole strategy and plan. But to be hones. If you end 7-10 th place. Then there are no excuses.
So before this season start. The team shall be good enough for top 4. This is United. The lowest goal shall be top 4. You can’t say we don’t fight for ch.league spot. Because results are not important. We are on rebuilding.
United central line/spine are not so worst. Fully fit and on theirs best.
De Gea - Maguire - Pogba & McTom and Rashford.
I am agree with the longterm. Everybody who are realistic know United are not there with Pool and City. But again short goal shall be there. Winning most matches as possible and get top 4. Half season and 6 months shall be enough time to figure out your team weakness and strength. And the key to success is always. Solve your weakest point and biggest problem to survive first. And that is the reason of United poor result this season. United biggest weakness didn’t get solve in summer transfer window.
United would get top 4 this season. If they keep Smalling, not buying Maguire and spent 80 mill on a really good creative cm instead. Then they might could come back for Leicester younger CB Suyuncu or other really good CB next summer.
So done is done. Let we see which cm Ole and DOF is buying this January. If not next summer. A nr.8 and RW are United weakest link before last summer. Didn’t fix and solve it. So it wasn’t about time. But due to prior. Ole want Maguire first. When United had CBs good enough for top 4 this season. Smalling, Jones, Bailly, Lindelof and Tuanzebe are good enough for top 4. They did it under LVG and Mourinho. Without Pogba, another cm and a top RW. There s United problem. Domino effect. Because of that. Plus unlucky with Pogba injury. Poor result come and excuses.
But in the end. If the club give him time and two summer transfer windows. I will take all mine words above back. The club and Ole have another strategy and plan. There are many ways and paths to the top of the mountain. Nothing right or wrong. They have chosen another path. But in a 2/3 years, if United dont get top 4. Then we will be sure they were on the wrong path. That didn’t lead to the top is calling top 4.
My path and philosophy is I always fix and solve my weakness and biggest problem first, then lesser and lesser. And i do not know Ole strategy and plan. But to be hones. If you end 7-10 th place. Then there are no excuses.
Can’t wait to see his clueless reaction when Ed sacks him. What he hasn’t realized is that this season is also about finding a new manager for next season. The same way your 3 predecessors had no idea the sack was coming and you’re more deserving of it than any of them. Never thought Ole would get to this point, the manager who has “United DNA” feck off Ole. To say a season is basically a write off at club like Manchester United is ridiculous and the fact that some fans are actually fine with it is even more baffling.
He never said that so...
He's just a terrible manager that's forcing everyone to accept mediocrity to make his job looks far better than what it has been even though he has been doing an extremely bad job. For an ex legend he's sure as hell not doing anything to prove he knows the inside of the club or what everyone wants to hear/watch. He plays defensive counter attacking football contrary to what everyone want to see, signs players that suit this defensive style rather than an offensive possession based on style and goes on lowering expectation in each one of his quotes.
Never mind I'm 100% sure he won't be here next season. Ed can defend him as much as he wants but finishing 6th-7th and not winning EL will see him gone by May especially with Poch around. Let some proper manager does the rebuild job instead of this terrible experiment.
Never mind I'm 100% sure he won't be here next season. Ed can defend him as much as he wants but finishing 6th-7th and not winning EL will see him gone by May especially with Poch around. Let some proper manager does the rebuild job instead of this terrible experiment.
Didn't Pep do the same in his first season, hasn't Klopp been doing the same since he joined Liverpool in 2015 in regards to the league.Ole has changed the complete system the team plays, no long balls en masse from central defence. Those changes take time.He's played most of the season without his centre forward in Martial and his only source of creativity from midfield in Pogba. He's moved on some deadwood, he needs to move more. His mistake was not replacing Lukaku, but that hopefully gets addressed in Jan and we will continue to upgrade in summer. You can see Ole has a long term plan, you see it in the players he wants.His record isn't too dissimilar to Klopp at the same stages of their rebuild, and that's what it is, a rebuild.
26 is too old? God forbid we sign a player entering his prime!
The Ole cult is out of control.
With big question marks on their overall ability, like Lukaku for example.
Maguire is 26 I think and I think he’s a good signing, that’s the difference I mean.
To put it simply:
Good 26+: Maguire
Bad 26+: Lukaku, Alexis etc.
The problem with Ole is that in his management, the whole has been less than the sum of the parts. I don't think anyone has played better under Ole than for example under Mourinho.
I have a soft spot for Ole. I like him and I want to see him succeed but you'd never see such statements by the people i charge at Bayern, Juve, Real, Barca... I'm fine with rebuild and I honestly believe he's taking necessary steps in trimming the squad but I just can't see progress. And you can't go through a whole season at this mid table level Manchester United without progressing with the team. That said, I don't believe Woody will sack him. I don't believe the board have a clue what they're doing other than commercial.
I have a soft spot for Ole. I like him and I want to see him succeed but you'd never see such statements by the people i charge at Bayern, Juve, Real, Barca... I'm fine with rebuild and I honestly believe he's taking necessary steps in trimming the squad but I just can't see progress. And you can't go through a whole season at this mid table level Manchester United without progressing with the team. That said, I don't believe Woody will sack him. I don't believe the board have a clue what they're doing other than commercial.
If Ole lasts the full season and the summer transfer window as well, all other 19 teams need to have a meltdown of epic proportions.
it just isn’t happening,
it just isn’t happening,
Just like he says he's analysing the players to see who is going to cut it into next season's squad, he should know that his performances are as bad if not worse that his player's showings, the very same players he drummed up at the beginning of his tenure by saying "football can be so easy when you've got good players".
For a club like United in the state that we're in at the moment, a long term approach is the only way to fix this circus and we all agree on that, but that does not mean that we sacrifice the short term and accept the mediocrity that has been our worst ever start to a season breaking all the negative records. Build for the long term alright, but all that should be under a manager with the tactical acumen to identify and adequately drill a system that's effective against a variety of opponents, or even a variety of systems to deal with the various set ups that a team will inevitably face across a season.
What we've seen so far is a management team that can't , for whatever reason, get the team to open up packed defenses with combination plays and forward movement. Maybe the squad isn't as equipped, but if that was really the case, why do they keep rehashing the same formation despite the results? Why do they keep on trying what's obviously failed?
We've got more problems than Ole and his coaching team, but they are a hindrance to our team as they've shown they don't possess the tactical knowhow and flexibility to traverse different challenges presented by a league filled with diverse teams offering different challenges. The rebuild can continue with a better team coaching the players, we shouldn't keep him on for something that should be done by a DOF anyway.
For a club like United in the state that we're in at the moment, a long term approach is the only way to fix this circus and we all agree on that, but that does not mean that we sacrifice the short term and accept the mediocrity that has been our worst ever start to a season breaking all the negative records. Build for the long term alright, but all that should be under a manager with the tactical acumen to identify and adequately drill a system that's effective against a variety of opponents, or even a variety of systems to deal with the various set ups that a team will inevitably face across a season.
What we've seen so far is a management team that can't , for whatever reason, get the team to open up packed defenses with combination plays and forward movement. Maybe the squad isn't as equipped, but if that was really the case, why do they keep rehashing the same formation despite the results? Why do they keep on trying what's obviously failed?
We've got more problems than Ole and his coaching team, but they are a hindrance to our team as they've shown they don't possess the tactical knowhow and flexibility to traverse different challenges presented by a league filled with diverse teams offering different challenges. The rebuild can continue with a better team coaching the players, we shouldn't keep him on for something that should be done by a DOF anyway.
Ole needs better players to play better football. No shit, Sherlock. Everyone can manage Man Utd then. It will take 2-3 years to change all the starting 11 players. Only after that can a manager be held resposible? What if he spends more than half a billion in the meantime and fails. What if the players that he bought turn out to be crap? Is it not his main fooking responsibility to start improving the team from day one? Is not each and every game should be a step closer towards success? The longer he manages a team the better it should get right? If he does not get us i top 4 by the end of the season, sack him. Especially, if he is given the money to spend in January.
What a guy 
Utterly pathetic from Solskjaer - shamelessly trying to buy time, and now clearly putting his own career ahead of the club now.
This is his lowest move yet, imo, and I could quite easily start to actually dislike him if this is what we're gonna be hearing from him.
He needs to go - awful appointment, backed by an utterly awful board and fans who are hopelessly sentimental to the point of delusion.
Pull the feckin' trigger ffs.
Absolutely pathetic from OGS. Pathetic.
Hopefully it will also be used to find a better manager.
To the it’s not on Ole set: So, it’s about right that we’ve lost to watford, et. al? Even if you think the squad isn’t good enough, surely it’s better than that? When you lose to teams you are more talented than, doesn’t that make you wonder, a little? Or, is 18th about the level you see us at?
In that case would the club be kind enough to refund all the season tickets. After all this season is just a big friendly tour throughout the country.
This is what I don't get it. When Mourinho was imploding, we said the Squad was good but poorly coached. No Ole that Ole is in, we say that the squad is shit and ole is working on improving it. Well even if our squad is not good enough to challenge for the title why are we being consistently beaten and drawing with much much worse squads and teams than us?
Why are Leceister much better than us? We bought their star CB for a world record fee.
It’s worrying how confident he seems about his long term future when he’s performed so badly, almost like he’s untouchable while doing a terrible job.
Hes forever talking about the future, he needs to start winning games now because losing to the likes if Watford, Newcastle etc is unacceptable no matter who he wants to change in his squad.
Hes forever talking about the future, he needs to start winning games now because losing to the likes if Watford, Newcastle etc is unacceptable no matter who he wants to change in his squad.
Why don’t we see how we get on in The Europa league this season then?
The club will still drop him should he fail to achieve CL football this season or next, regardless of how safe he thinks he is.
He's not going to say "I'm shit, I should be sacked or will be soon."
He'll be gone in the summer if not before. At least if our results dont improve. If he isn't then Woodward is even more mental than I thought.
Ole please... it's so obvious who shouldn't play for this club.
Complete the clear out so the club can start breathing fresh air.
Complete the clear out so the club can start breathing fresh air.
He said that last season didnt he?
I dont think hes an awful manager tbh. I do think with a better squad and filling in our gaps would improve us loads. But I don't think he'll ever be more than competing for top 4. We need a manager who can implement a style where we impose ourselves on every team we play and know how to break down teams who sit back. We're clueless at it as it stands.
I dont think hes an awful manager tbh. I do think with a better squad and filling in our gaps would improve us loads. But I don't think he'll ever be more than competing for top 4. We need a manager who can implement a style where we impose ourselves on every team we play and know how to break down teams who sit back. We're clueless at it as it stands.