Ole says this season will be used to find next season’s squad

Ok Ole and I guess when next season it’s the same position we’re in it’ll be ‘we’re looking at the season after that’

Ole has the Easiest Job in football.

How come Rogers has managed to progress Leicester while we’re regressing under Ole? We deserve everything we get for sticking with Ole to be honest. Good luck to the teams who have a plan & ambition
 
ivaldo said:
You mean those same players who haven't been applying themselves for one reason or another for 5 years and 3 managers now? We can't keep laying the blame at the feet of the manager.

Ole can't do the DoF role. He's woefully under-qualified for it. I don't think people really understand the magnitude of what is required for that job. It isn't an established role for someone to walk into. We need someone to completely structure a new approach from the top down.

I point to Pogba because who else is there? Every top team has a least a few creative outlets. We have one who has been out since August. We have an 18 year old with no prior first team experience as our only attacking option off the bench. We are still playing Young regularly and are expecting a CM with half a season of first team football to hold our midfield together. His partner Fred, has been the subject of fans ire from way before Ole joined the club, and the vast majority simply believe he's not good enough.

You could see the difference Pogba made when he came on. He played a few passes no other player at our club can. But you're right, we shouldn't be relying on Pogba. We shouldn't be relying on a 34 year old converted winger at fullback, we shouldn't be relying on McTominay to hold our midfield together, or Greenwood to be our only impact player. We shouldn't be relying on a bare XI with no variation on players. We can't cross the ball to Martial because he's no good in the air, we can't play through teams because we lack creativity, we can't use our pace against teams that sit deep. We need to improve this squad. We all knew we were rebuilding this season so why are we expecting anything different?
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Let's go through the squad and see who has and who hasn't been applying themselves. Our best XI, imo:

DDG - Signed new long term deal, form dropped but still better than most. Decline started under Jose.

AWB - New signing. Mostly excellent defensively but need to improve his attacking threat.

Lindelof - has improved drastically since he came in. Is he the best around? No, not really, but I think he has been better than Maguire. Improvement started under Jose.

Maguire - New signing. Seemingly our new captain but there needs to be an improvement. Wanted by Jose.

Shaw - feel like the injury has done him, thought he was real talent but always had issues with fitness going back to Southampton. Needs to be back up.

McSauce - hint is in the name. But he was good under Jose.

Fred - greatly improved, can do better and I expect him to improve further. Gotten better under Ole.

Andreas - I'm only putting him here as it would be unfair to Pogba as he has been out injured most of the season. Definitely a weak link, though, he still has some decent moments.

James - fantastic signing by Ole. Was completely wrong about him. He'd start outside any of the top 6 based on this season. He'll improve further no doubt.

Rashford - having a season of his career. Improvement under Ole.

Martial - improvement under Ole but he's an enigma for me. Came back from injury and suddenly we started to look better, now he's back to glimpses of magic one minute to strutting around like he could give two fecks the next.

Lingard - lost cause. Needs upgraded on asap. Should be nowhere near the first team. Dismal.

Pogba - world class. Thought he downed tools under Jose but few French folks on here assure me I'm mistaken so I'll take their word for it but we all know his quality we've seen just on Sunday when he came on.

Greenwood - 7 goals this season. Can't ask for more.

Mata - over the hill but can still pick a ball out and do the job imo. Got a new contract so he's here for another 12.

Young - Is done.

I'm forgetting a couple here and I know its more than 11 players but these players who generally make up our match day squads. Whatever your views are, we've picked up 30 points. Thirty. In 25 games. Thats relegation. The list of teams we've dropped points to this season and last is shocking and very concerning. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if we performed relative to our squad but we show how well we can play against teams who don't sit deep. That's concerning. Essentially, I can't see past that, unfortunately. Replacing Lingard, Shaw, and adding Saul, how many extra points would it bring to us? I don't think we'd see a significant uptick in results, they'd get better because we'd clearly have more individual brilliance but they would still fall short off what we need, ultimately.

If Ole is under underqualified for DoF role than he's not qualified to be a head coach of United either. I do get what the role entails and I actually think that he would be good at it. He'd have probably the same role as Ribalta did. I'm sure Judge and Woodward would still run the business side of things.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on this topic. I know I'm not going to change my opinion unless we suddenly start breaking teams down. And you believe what wrote and I respect that.
 
AneRu said:
Well that someone's club couldn't get close Jose's United and even last season, after a poor season by our own standards they were still far behind us and this season they are second without multiple windows and a billion pounds spent on English players. All this means that when they both their jobs Ole had a better team but Rodgers has turned it around whilst Ole has allowed his to stagnate despite actually spending more than Rodgers and taking his first choice defender in the process.

You say Greenwood has one less appearance than Lingard but how many starts has Lingard been afforded despite doing nothing creatively and if you compare their minutes in the league this will also show. Greenwood is being held back and Lingard is being given every chance to the detriment of the team hence we find ourselves writing off the season at Christmas and looking to spend 19 PL matches to decide what everyone already knows.

People keep blaming the likes of Young, Rojo, Shaw etc but forgets who is picking them at every opportunity. If we were in a proper rebuild and had spent the last half of the season having banished Young, Lingard, Rojo, Shaw and Matic from the 1st team and were building with youth then the excuse would fly but we keep recycling the players that have let us down and use the odd appearance given to youth as a sign that we are losing because we have a young team when some of the losses are down to persisting with useless players and not being brave enough to try the youth.

When you look at Fred and McTominay, none of them has the potential to be an elite passer yet we play them away at Watford where we need a top passer, Garner who has potential to be isn't given that chance then we are shocked when we come out with a loss at the worst side in the league.
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That's weird, because according to the cafe, Chilwell is better than Shaw, Pereira is better than AWB, Madison is a must signing, Vardy is the type of striker we need, soyuncu is an upgrade on Maguire, Tielsman is an inspired signing, while Ndidi is the defensive midfielder we've been missing all this time. This type of flawed logic is often rolled out, and in doing so, completely ignores any and all variables. How do you think Leicester would fair if they had the same injuries to key players as we had?

So you think if Greenwood was starting instead of Lingard (4-4-2 I take it?) We wouldn't be in this situation now? You don't think having to rely on an 18 year old with no prior first team football under his belt is an issue? Seriously?

Shaw, Rojo and Matic have barely played his season. So you think if we chucked in Greenwood, Gomes, Tuanzebe, Williams and Garner into the starting XI everything would be better do you? We'd be in the same position as we are now, expect those youngsters with basically zero first team experience would be crushed. Ole has moved on and moved out a huge amount of players in a relatively short amount of time. It's, frankly, bizarre you've offered up Matic and Rojo when they are two players that have basically been removed from major first team football.

Remove DDG and our average age against Watford was 24. And you want to chuck in a few more 18 year olds into the mix...

Have you not seen Garner play? Clearly he's got talent but when he's been given opportunities he's been very average. I'm a big fan but nobody can say with a straight face he's ready to be starting games in the PL.

Ultimately, your solution here is to throw in a bunch of inexperienced 18 year old and you expect results. Feel free to offer up a single example of this type of 'rebuild' ever happening.
 
Rafaeldagold said:
How come Rogers has managed to progress Leicester while we’re regressing under Ole? We deserve everything we get for sticking with Ole to be honest. Good luck to the teams who have a plan & ambition
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He has a striker coming towards the end of his peak, happy and banging the ball into the back of the net for fun, the most creative midfielder not called Kevin in the league and one of the best defensive midfielders in the league.

He's doing an excellent job, but lets see how he does once they leave - which they will in the next few years
 
Drainy said:
Possibly, but we did cut a large number of players from squad and tried to clear more. The Glazers pulled the plug on Rojo's transfer, for example.

Unless you are willing to have a window of spending £500m+ along with the clearout (which we're not able or willing to do) it's going to take a number of windows to correct the balance of the squad, and as we've seen in recent years transfers don't always work out or take a while to bed in.

Whether this strategy will work out depend on how much the better young players (Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, McTominay, James, AWB, Williams, Garner, etc etc) who are getting time now learn and improve over the next season or two, and if we can get the quality to support them.
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As long as he realises that Lingard, Pereira and Mata are not up to it as well. Also Young should be gone. Let Williams grow into the LB role and if Shaw isn't happy with that, replace him.
 
How does Ole still have so much support, this is crazy.

Is Ole a top manager? No
Has he ever been looked at as a top manager? No
Has he been successful with us so far? No
Has he been successful with any club outside Norway? No
If he leaves us will any top club look his way? No
Has he done a better job than Mourinho or LVG so far? No

So how are some happy to give this man the keys to our future, it makes no sense.

"But he got rid of the deadwood and all his signings have been good". This is the biggest load of shite mainly because anyone can make the decision to get rid of Sanchez, a stroppy Lukaku and Fellaini. He even made mistakes in that because he loaned out Smalling and gave new contracts to Mata and Jones. All the signings have been good is a fair point but he spent £130m on the defence and it's worse than it was last year so his coaching is still exposed.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
No.

Accept that we are in rebuilding process. It means, it will take time, the aim is to improve players & develop them. Inconsistent performance is to be expected from bunch of young team. But if they can improve to be better players (which so far have shown sign of improvement), surely you know what direction we are aiming for and where we are going to as a team.
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We are in rebuilding process. And it does take time. But we've got a manager who isn't good enough so it's definitely not happening under him no matter how much excuses Ole serves the fans to buy himself more chances.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
So season after next we will win the league and next season CL qualification?
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What we've seen so far has been glimpses of a good team, we've been very inconsistent, which I put down to having a very inexperienced team, long term injuries to important players and a paper thin squad. If Ole gets the backing he needs, I don't see why we shouldn't be challenging for top 4 this season if we get a couple of players in January. If he isn't backed until Summer, I would expect him to challenge for top 4 next season. I'm as annoyed as anyone about our current situation but this comment is to be expected, it's realistic and it's motivational.
 
Majima said:
Buying Maguire for £80m, letting Smalling go, ignoring midfield and attack. I'm not buying it at all. Another window will just be more of the same.

Ole is not the one. We will win nothing with him.
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He asked for a striker in the summer to replace Lukaku- We tried to get Dybala. He wanted Longstaff as a budget midfielder with potential for cover. We didn't get either. Pogba and Martial get injured and the lack of cover is exposed.

Just because he's tried to make the best of it with what he has and not tipping the table over doesn't mean he doesn't see the problems.
 
It will remain "next season" as long as you continue playing players like Lindelof and Lingard, while we have a perfectly fine defender playing out the season in Italy. Yea there are many defenders who are better than Smalling, but none of them are at United. Everyone could see that we needed a creative player in the middle of the pitch to create chances for the strikers, but the area is ignored every season. Results against lower-level teams are proving how much of an impact this has made.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Let's go through the squad and see who has and who hasn't been applying themselves. Our best XI, imo:

DDG - Signed new long term deal, form dropped but still better than most. Decline started under Jose.

AWB - New signing. Mostly excellent defensively but need to improve his attacking threat.

Lindelof - has improved drastically since he came in. Is he the best around? No, not really, but I think he has been better than Maguire. Improvement started under Jose.

Maguire - New signing. Seemingly our new captain but there needs to be an improvement. Wanted by Jose.

Shaw - feel like the injury has done him, thought he was real talent but always had issues with fitness going back to Southampton. Needs to be back up.

McSauce - hint is in the name. But he was good under Jose.

Fred - greatly improved, can do better and I expect him to improve further. Gotten better under Ole.

Andreas - I'm only putting him here as it would be unfair to Pogba as he has been out injured most of the season. Definitely a weak link, though, he still has some decent moments.

James - fantastic signing by Ole. Was completely wrong about him. He'd start outside any of the top 6 based on this season. He'll improve further no doubt.

Rashford - having a season of his career. Improvement under Ole.

Martial - improvement under Ole but he's an enigma for me. Came back from injury and suddenly we started to look better, now he's back to glimpses of magic one minute to strutting around like he could give two fecks the next.

Lingard - lost cause. Needs upgraded on asap. Should be nowhere near the first team. Dismal.

Pogba - world class. Thought he downed tools under Jose but few French folks on here assure me I'm mistaken so I'll take their word for it but we all know his quality we've seen just on Sunday when he came on.

Greenwood - 7 goals this season. Can't ask for more.

Mata - over the hill but can still pick a ball out and do the job imo. Got a new contract so he's here for another 12.

Young - Is done.

I'm forgetting a couple here and I know its more than 11 players but these players who generally make up our match day squads. Whatever your views are, we've picked up 30 points. Thirty. In 25 games. Thats relegation. The list of teams we've dropped points to this season and last is shocking and very concerning. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if we performed relative to our squad but we show how well we can play against teams who don't sit deep. That's concerning. Essentially, I can't see past that, unfortunately. Replacing Lingard, Shaw, and adding Saul, how many extra points would it bring to us? I don't think we'd see a significant uptick in results, they'd get better because we'd clearly have more individual brilliance but they would still fall short off what we need, ultimately.

If Ole is under underqualified for DoF role than he's not qualified to be a head coach of United either. I do get what the role entails and I actually think that he would be good at it. He'd have probably the same role as Ribalta did. I'm sure Judge and Woodward would still run the business side of things.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on this topic. I know I'm not going to change my opinion unless we suddenly start breaking teams down. And you believe what wrote and I respect that.
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I'm lost now. You've listed a bunch of players, a lot who you admit have improved under Ole or have been a good signing under Ole. So what are you saying? They should've improved even more under him? That they should now been capable of filling the very obvious gaps in our team, like creativity? If he's improving the squad by signing good players and getting more out of the current ones, then surely the issue isn't his coaching ability but the overall ability of the actual players, the majority of who have already failed under two of the most successful managers in modern history.

We are 8th. Taking into account last season's results and applying it to a new season and saying it's relegation form is just odd.

Lets hear a solution then. We all know we are struggling against teams that sit deep. We don't have creativity outside of Pobga and we don't have a single centre forward who can be a threat from the air. We also don't have any genuine goal threat from midfield. So what should Ole be doing?
 
What the hell was the second half of last season for? The pre-season to the squad idea season?

Infuriating sometimes this man.
 
I think Ole is desperately trying to buy himself some more time. Was it LVG who asked the fans to judge him after 3 months, and then later revised that to 3 seasons?

The sad truth is the Ole experiment has failed in spectacular fashion. Even Moyes wasn't this bad. He is and always was just meant to be a stopgap, a temporary solution as a caretaker manager whilst we recruited a sporting director and a more competent manager with better credentials. Instead we appointed the Molde manager full term and are almost too embarrassed to sack him because of sentiment or whatever; and just when it looks like the writing's on the wall he'll pull a result out of the hat that'll keep Woody off his back.

I know he's in his dream job at the club he loves, but I wish Ole would do the right thing and realise he's way out of his depth and step down, because this club aren't proactive enough to sack him. It will be the best thing he can do to avoid tarnishing his legacy and saving the club.
 
Drainy said:
He asked for a striker in the summer to replace Lukaku- We tried to get Dybala. He wanted Longstaff as a budget midfielder with potential for cover. We didn't get either. Pogba and Martial get injured and the lack of cover is exposed.

Just because he's tried to make the best of it with what he has and not tipping the table over doesn't mean he doesn't see the problems.
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Dybala was given to us on a plate by Juve, late in the window as part of the Lukaku deal. We didn't target him at all. We were likely interested because of his massive commercial profile (more Insta followers than the club).

If he asked for a striker to replace Lukaku, 2 simple questions:

  1. Why wasn't we linked to any names earlier in the window?
  2. Why allow Lukaku to leave, almost as the window shut, if we weren't able to get a replacement?

If he really wanted a budget midfielder, why didn't we get anyone else? Longstaff for £50m was really budget. Longstaff was the only name on his list?

The lack of cover excuse is hilarious. It was clear to anyone in the summer that we needed more bodies.

You see, it doesn't cut it, it's all excuses to me.

He was obviously happy with the results of the window at the time. I'm not having the back-pedaling excuses now that's it's all gone sideways.
 
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UNITED ACADEMY said:
We gave it to caliber manager who can win CL like Jose & LVG. Oh boy, it worked well didn’t it?
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Imagine applying this sort of logic to any other profession

"So the last qualified guy we hired didn't actually work out, so I decided instead to hire someone completely unqualified instead! Oh and he's actually doing an even worse job than the qualified guy did, but I'm not going to sack him in favour of trying with someone qualified again, because obviously if it didn't work last time it won't next time, right?"
 
ivaldo said:
I'm lost now. You've listed a bunch of players, a lot who you admit have improved under Ole or have been a good signing under Ole. So what are you saying? They should've improved even more under him? That they should now been capable of filling the very obvious gaps in our team, like creativity? If he's improving the squad by signing good players and getting more out of the current ones, then surely the issue isn't his coaching ability but the overall ability of the actual players, the majority of who have already failed under two of the most successful managers in modern history.

We are 8th. Taking into account last season's results and applying it to a new season and saying it's relegation form is just odd.

Lets hear a solution then. We all know we are struggling against teams that sit deep. We don't have creativity outside of Pobga and we don't have a single centre forward who can be a threat from the air. We also don't have any genuine goal threat from midfield. So what should Ole be doing?
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I'm saying that we need some additional players, without a doubt but the results are inexcusable. Yeah some improved under Ole but we sacked the previous coach for having better results with largely same group of players who downed tools.

And I don't know the solution to be honest, if I did, I'd maybe become a coach. Though throwing money at the problem won't necessarily give us the solution either. Definitely not guaranteed.
 
I'm sure the season ticket owners will be thrilled by Ole's comments.
 
Dante said:
"Buck up and show some effort. Or you won't be in the squad next season"

That's his message to the players.

It's as much of a motivational statement as anything.
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When Jose did it it was called throwing players under the bus. I disagreed with that approach and disagree with this. If it is motivational it should be in private. Same impact.

He has done this publically became the needs an excuse for his poor management.
 
Nickelodeon said:
See the thing is that I feel that we're yet to appoint a manager who is both genuinely world class and not over-the-hill. With Jose, we all thought that we've got that. But he was coming off another meltdown and this time it genuinely seems that he has become quite outdated for modern football.

For LVG, we were optimistic and confident because we were of the opinion that Moyes could only have been a blip. But it was clear soon enough, almost everyone could see that he wasn't suited to our style of play and it wasn't going to be a happy arrangement. His eventual sacking also came a bit too late. Wolfsburg should've been the end for him. You could argue that insanity on the club's part could also be giving failing managers repeated opportunities when it's clear its not going to work out in the long run.

I'm open to giving managers time to rebuild even if it means another season outside the top 4. But I don't have faith in Ole anymore. He came in with a message that the squad is already quite strong and "football is easy when you have good players". As soon as the going got tough, we never recovered. It was blamed on the squad but yet a strong sample set of the last 25 games have yielded 30 points. The minor upgrade from Smalling to Maguire for 80 million hasn't convinced me that Ole got the transfer priorities right and overall I'm unconvinced that he is the right guy.

I would prefer it if we got a proven manager in and trust him to handle our rebuild and be patient but with consistent progress. I don't want to throw any names but I genuinely believe that there are many managers who would be motivated to get a club like ours back to where we belong.
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It's easy to say that now though. We signed Jose who had won the league at every club he had been at. He had a meltdown after winning the league with Chelsea, but this wasn't out of character for him. LVG came in off the back of leading a very ordinary Dutch side to 3rd in the world cup. They weren't over-the-hill managers when they joined. We decided they were after they had left.

You say we've given managers too long but have we really? We've appointed widly different managers, who have inherited an amalgamation of very different players and expected them to be back on top (after Georgie) within a couple of years. Each time we've sacked we've started from scratch, brought in a manager who has in turn brought in players with a very different approach, and wonder why they can't succeed when the majority of the squad aren't suited to how they play. At the moment we are still starting players who have been signed under 5 completely different managers. This squad was in desperate need of gutting, and that's what has happened. Just look at that squad and tell me they are in a position to be much higher.
 
Lynty said:
Ye i agree.

To be honest, I never for a second thought he'd take us to the top. But this long term 'plan' he has, will leave us in a better position when he leaves - whether that is this season or next. The same can't be said of LVG and Jose, who left the squad in a shambles, squandered finances and damaged the progression of players.
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His signings are not the greatest we have spent better part 130million on two defenders who frankly are just above average how exactly he would leave us in better position is nothing but wishful thinking.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The only great job he's done is of brainwashing others. Almost everything right :lol: It's like there's an alternate universe where Ole is doing a terrific job.
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Offloading a mountain of passangers, mediocrity and mercenaries, while replacing them with hungry talented kids who dream of playing for the club, is no easy task and takes extreme patience.

These are kids who are being gently developed, kids who never in a million years would have seen regular game time under Jose.

There were moans at the start of the season that Greenwood was years away from being first team material, after an underwhelming start, yet Ole persisted and already he has become an important squad player.
The general consensus on here last season was that Scott McT would never be more than a squad player, but Scott has been our best player in quite a few games this season.
There were howls of anguish when we signed Daniel James, but despite a recent dip, no one is howling in anguish anymore.
Brandon Williams, Tuanzebe, and soon to be James Garner hopefully, all are looking like first XI material for many years to come, who will only go from strength to strength despite expected ups and downs as they mature.

It takes balls to persist with kids, even though they may have had a run of 5 poor games in a row at the start of their careers. It takes a special type of manager also to know which ones are ready, and who is going to be good enough. Van Gaal just threw every kid from the academy into the first team, without being able to establish who was a Man Utd player and who was not. Moyes had no track record with kids, ditched Zaha, and worshipped Januzaj, and he got found out. Jose has never developed a young player in his life.

When you consider the size of Ole's task, there is a feeling that little by little progress is constantly being made, despite results suggesting the contrary.

When we beat Ajax in the 2017 Europa final, they looked bang average. De Ligt, and Ziyech were in the first XI, Frenkie De Jong, David Meres and Van de Beek on the bench. Nobody would have said to you that day, that by summer 2019, two years later, that this Ajax team would be the hottest team in Europe.
 
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"Buck up and show some effort. Or you won't be in the squad next season"

That's his message to the players.

It's as much of a motivational statement as anything.
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Isn't that what he done last season? And I still see the usual suspects here in Young, Jones, Mata & Lingard.

His words hold zero weight. I'm sure the players are shaking in their boots as we speak.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I'm saying that we need some additional players, without a doubt but the results are inexcusable. Yeah some improved under Ole but we sacked the previous coach for having better results with largely same group of players who downed tools.

And I don't know the solution to be honest, if I did, I'd maybe become a coach. Though throwing money at the problem won't necessarily give us the solution either. Definitely not guaranteed.
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No one can offer up a solution. Overwhelming, the games we have lost have been because we can't breakdown a deep defense. We just don't have the tools at our disposal to do that. So I'll pose a hypothetical to you. If you add two class creative players to this squad, say Sancho and Maddison, do you think we would be having this conversation right now?
 
He will use this season to find next season's squad.
He will use next season's squad to find next season's squad.
And so on...

Jose wrote off last season, before it started.
This season was also a write-off and Ole now seems to be preparing fans for this.
If Ole is still here next season, that too, will be a write-off.
Woodward is the man who is in charge of all of this. I place this shambles squarely on him. He couldn't manage Jose, so he hired a "yes man" who isn't good enough to manage a club in the Championship. We've gone from 2nd place to 8th place, in the space of 2 years and Woodward is saying that this is progress.

For the record I believe Ole will not be manager next season and if he gets some bad results, there is still a good chance he will be gone within the next few weeks.
Remember, this is the worst start to an EPL season for MUFC, ever! Ole is breaking negative records which even the previous 3 managers did not break.

Absolute shambles!
 
Majima said:
He was obviously happy with the results of the window at the time. I'm not having the back-pedaling excuses now that's it's all gone sideways.
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Oh yeah of course he was. Going from wanting 5 or 6 at the start of the summer to being happy with 3..

if you don't realise that there is someone in charge of the transfers who over promises and under delivers to the managers, I don't know what to say to you. Mourinho was willing to poison the club over it, and you are dismissive of Ole for keeping a lid on his disappointment to keep a positive atmosphere? Ok
 
We are going to start raiding leicester for players just like Liverpool raided Southampton.
 
I find Ole to be maybe the most naive manager I have seen. It's like he is on another planet.

In his defence I guess it stems from him being a bad manager and wanting desperately for us to succeed. I don't dislike him for it but am just exasperated by it.


Like we need to end this experiment and soon. We will go further backwards more so than we had.
 
gajender said:
His signings are not the greatest we have spent better part 130million on two defenders who frankly are just above average how exactly he would leave us in better position is nothing but wishful thinking.
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Just above average? Get out of here man. That post is a disgrace.
 
What is our club seriously doing? Again this is pretty much saying we are going to underinvest in January because who care where we finish in the league now.

Out of all the big clubs in the world we are most in need of top class signings. 4 or 5 of them to make us competitive. Anything less we will fall short again and again next season too.
 
Imagine we gave Moyes this amount of time.

He may as well stay till the end of the season, there’s nothing to rescue. But surely after that enough is enough, starting to ruin his own legacy.
 
ivaldo said:
No one can offer up a solution. Overwhelming, the games we have lost have been because we can't breakdown a deep defense. We just don't have the tools at our disposal to do that. So I'll pose a hypothetical to you. If you add two class creative players to this squad, say Sancho and Maddison, do you think we would be having this conversation right now?
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Those players would definitely improve us but I can't say with any degree of certainty just by how much. Again, I'm done with Ole, I can't see him taking us forward. Put it this way, I'd rather Poch in right now than those two in January. But hey, I will happily own up to the fact I was wrong if we sign a couple of class additions and start looking like a proper cohesive football team. All I want is us to get back to Champions League football and see us play good football as I'm sure you do. We just have different opinions on how to proceed. We shall see soon enough as I don't think Ole is getting sacked before next season. Although, I think we should sack him now and hire Poch, I still think Ole will be given 2 more windows. If he proves me wrong then fantastic. I already said to one of the other posters that 2 wins against City and Spurs sucked me back in and gave me a glimmer of hope but Sunday, was devastating, infuriating and I'm just tired now.
 
Champagne Football said:
Offloading a mountain of passangers, mediocrity and mercenaries, while replacing them with hungry talented kids who dream of playing for the club, is no easy task and takes extreme patience.

These are kids who are being gently developed, kids who never in a million years would have seen regular game time under Jose.

There were moans at the start of the season that Greenwood was years away from being first team material, after an underwhelming start, yet Ole persisted and already he has become an important squad player.
The general consensus on here last season was that Scott McT would never be more than a squad player, but Scott has been our best player in quire a few games this season.
There were howls of anguish when we signed Daniel James, but despite a recent dip, no one is howling in anguish anymore.
Brandon Williams, Tuanzebe, and soon to be James Garner hopefully, all are looking like first XI material for many years to come, who will only go from strength to strength despite expected ups and downs as they mature.

It takes balls to persist with kids, even though they may have had a run of 5 poor games in a row at the start of their careers. It takes a special type of manager also to know which ones are ready, and who is going to be good enough. Van Gaal just threw every kid from the academy into the first team, without being able to establish who was a Man Utd player and who was not. Moyes had no track record with kids, ditched Zaha, and worshipped Januzaj, and he got found out. Jose has never developed a young player in his life.

When you consider the size of Ole's task, there is a feeling that little by little progress is constantly being made, despite results suggesting the contrary.
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Scott McTominay is average. Daniel James is average. They are ok, but let's be realistic, they are not going to help us get back to the top.

I don't think it takes balls to persist with kids. Not when there is no pressure on the club to succeed. Ole says it's fine losing, it's a long term plan, everyone buys it, sounds like a cushty job to me.

Also, the kids are being developed with what culture? The loser mentality? Team full of losers with no experienced winners is really going to help them reach their full potential isn't it?

Since when do you breed success, inside an environment with no high standards and expectations being set?

We've got a coaching team who don't know what it's like to win anything, coaching a group of young players who don't know what it's like to win anything. That sounds like a flawed plan to me. Like the blind leading the blind to be exact.
 
ivaldo said:
He's had one transfer window. One. Should we be performing better? Yes. Should he be performing to the level some of our delusional fans expect? No.
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Aaaah yes - the delusional fans.
We are 8th place after almost half the season.
How are some fans not seeing this and being so apathetic to this?
We were 2nd place 2 years ago and after spending more money, we are now 8th!

We have one of the most expensive squads in the league and we have just lost to Watford - the worst team in the league. Watford are so bad, that after getting 3 points against us, they are still at the bottom of the league.

Are some people on here on a wind-up?
"He needs more time to beat the worst team in the league".
"He needs another transfer window."

WTF!

PS. although Ole is completely out of his depth, it is Woodward who I want gone.
Let the DoF (who replaces Woodward) find a manager to replace Ole.
Replacing Ole with a better manager (with our current structure) won't see us win the title.
 
Diabolical manager uses the best manager in world football experiences with Liverpool as an example to gratify he's failings currently ?
 
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