Until it isn't and Ole is figuring out who deserves to be here for 2021/22. Spoofing.
Ole says this season will be used to find next season’s squad
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Until it isn't and Ole is figuring out who deserves to be here for 2021/22. Spoofing.
Well that someone's club couldn't get close Jose's United and even last season, after a poor season by our own standards they were still far behind us and this season they are second without multiple windows and a billion pounds spent on English players. All this means that when they both their jobs Ole had a better team but Rodgers has turned it around whilst Ole has allowed his to stagnate despite actually spending more than Rodgers and taking his first choice defender in the process.
You say Greenwood has one less appearance than Lingard but how many starts has Lingard been afforded despite doing nothing creatively and if you compare their minutes in the league this will also show. Greenwood is being held back and Lingard is being given every chance to the detriment of the team hence we find ourselves writing off the season at Christmas and looking to spend 19 PL matches to decide what everyone already knows.
People keep blaming the likes of Young, Rojo, Shaw etc but forgets who is picking them at every opportunity. If we were in a proper rebuild and had spent the last half of the season having banished Young, Lingard, Rojo, Shaw and Matic from the 1st team and were building with youth then the excuse would fly but we keep recycling the players that have let us down and use the odd appearance given to youth as a sign that we are losing because we have a young team when some of the losses are down to persisting with useless players and not being brave enough to try the youth.
When you look at Fred and McTominay, none of them has the potential to be an elite passer yet we play them away at Watford where we need a top passer, Garner who has potential to be isn't given that chance then we are shocked when we come out with a loss at the worst side in the league.
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This shouldn’t be news to anybody with half a brain
If he believes he is going to be afforded that sort of time then fair enough, I have no doubt at all that he will make us better than we are just now next season. but this would a special case for us, and virtually any top team to do this assuming we carrying on as are until the summer.
I'm happy for us to stick with Ole for now, but I want to see a couple of players in January for him, this way we can just use the rest of the season to see if he can improve us now, if he can't, then we move on in the summer, and he can have no complaints.
I'm happy for us to stick with Ole for now, but I want to see a couple of players in January for him, this way we can just use the rest of the season to see if he can improve us now, if he can't, then we move on in the summer, and he can have no complaints.
Seriously, what must have happened to you to want this guy for a decade? Everything under him has reached new lows. He's totally clueless and his sound bites are worse than the previous manager combined.
Should have let go a long time ago as it was obvious he doesn't care enough to do the right thing himself. Only he himself is at fault for tarnishing his reputation and feck anyone who attacks the ones that call him what he is, a clown.
Who will want to join this circus? League's worst manager who gives up on another season before half of the games have been played. Young non-mercenaries, like Sancho, are undoubtedly queueing up.
Should have let go a long time ago as it was obvious he doesn't care enough to do the right thing himself. Only he himself is at fault for tarnishing his reputation and feck anyone who attacks the ones that call him what he is, a clown.
Who will want to join this circus? League's worst manager who gives up on another season before half of the games have been played. Young non-mercenaries, like Sancho, are undoubtedly queueing up.
I can understand when people say Ole is mediocre and all that... and yet... it would annoy me if other people in the club currently were to survive while he gets sacked, and get yet another "chance" under another manager. To an extent you can blame him for the Watford and Everton games, but IMO some of the players dropped below the baseline of acceptable performance even if they didn't have a manager.
So in that sense, him going and them still surviving afterwards (because most likely Ed will renew their contracts) is annoying to me. And that doesn't even touch on Ed still carrying on as usual without restructuring. That said, I don't really have a lot of confidence in his ability on the pitch as a coach, so he still has a lot to prove there.
So in that sense, him going and them still surviving afterwards (because most likely Ed will renew their contracts) is annoying to me. And that doesn't even touch on Ed still carrying on as usual without restructuring. That said, I don't really have a lot of confidence in his ability on the pitch as a coach, so he still has a lot to prove there.
Been saying, he is too content in his approach. We are just going to waste season after season if he acts like this. And the audacity of him and the board to not take this January window seriously speaks volume about the way we are been run.
I think you need to include McKenna and Carrick in that also.
I cant embed media but I'll copy and paste a headline taken from the studio
I'm going to try and get a job like Ole has and speak all the time about the future': Jose Mourinho aims sly dig at Man United successor Solskjaer on live TV ahead of Liverpool game
We tried maintaining high standards, it "didn't work" so we just accept mediocrity then?
Sounds as good of a plan as this "rebuild" which generally does not exist in football in this form. No good plan includes going backwards and becoming a mid table side in the hopes of an underqualified manager improving and developing players. Besides, what's happening this season is not consistent with what people were saying before it started. The general opinion was that all we needed was a preseason and now sitting in 8th is somehow considered "doing OK in the league" even though that kind of form got previous managers sacked.
Every season should be like that.
He's just making it up as he goes. There's no chance he deserves another season. Simply not good enough
Moyes would have us higher in the league for sure.
Listening to the endless comments from the manager and players alike is becoming tiresome.
Just do your job, the one you are being paid an obscene amount of money for, and do your talking on the pitch.
Did no one ever tell these guys that actions speak louder than words?
Just do your job, the one you are being paid an obscene amount of money for, and do your talking on the pitch.
Did no one ever tell these guys that actions speak louder than words?
Okay. But you can't deny that it's also his fault to a certain extent. If He knew an attacking midfielder would be so important for his system, Why didn't We try to sign any? relying on Lingard was never an option. Mata is old, We all knew that.
I thought He won't be relying so much on a creative midfielder was the reason why He didn't sign one. I thought He had other formations or tactics that don't require one to flourish. But in reality his subs and in game management have been questionable. Natural creativity cannot be coached but tactical plans can be and so far We look like a team that's been drilled to only play on the counter. That's criticsm number one.
Number two, what message did this send to the players? We know most them were a bunch of overpaid lazy arses with weak mentality when Jose's here. Ole's strong message when He came was that He wanted a cultural change and mentality shift. That's what We expect to happen. But what do We have here? He starts coming up with excuses mid season, not good. When the players are struggling, instead of doing something about it He and his team of coaches just sat there looking dejected, not good. Imagine struggling with your jobs only for your boss to say "Oh well, this year is a write off anyway".
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If you don't realise that you can't just get rid of 12-14 players in one season and bring in a whole new team...
We've had 5/6 leave, brought in 3 and promoted some academy lads, of course this season was a 'pray our best players don't get injured year' with a threadbare squad with some deadwood left to plug the gaps. Pogba and Martial both suffered injuries and so we've suffered.
Mata, Matic and Young are obviously past it but are still experienced heads to have in the dressing room, so makes sense to retain. Jones and Rojo are purely cover, with Tuanzebe being an inexperienced option who they hope will grow into the job. That said, as I said in another thread, the lack of a quality first choice number 10 when you want to play 4-2-3-1 is negligent. All three options for that role are underwhelming and that was clear from the get go.
Best thing we can hope for now is that we retain our best young players and give them adequate playing time so they can step up, as well as weeding out the shite and bringing in some top players where the squad is clearly weak.
I dont think Ole is the right man long term but this would have been the case no matter who was in charge. The clearout is going well, we just need to keep making the right signings.
Didn't he say that last season and will probably say the same next season.
When you're not capable of performing the actions you need to use words to spin it in your favour.
Points were invalid with a trap involved, not wasting my time.
It was after the Cardiff game when he said some of these players have played their last game. The only one who has left (on loan) from that game is Smalling who is one of the better players and is still a United player. Ole isn't very consistent in what he says.
Yes, but some do it better than others. Let's compare the ways.
Moyes - Transformed a title wining squad into Everton 2.0 in less than 6 months.
LVG - Tried to make us possession based but didn't let the players take shots without a million passes first.
Jose - Mental Abuse at it's finest.
Ole - Ole's way or the highway.
So season after next we will win the league and next season CL qualification?
Moyes transformed us into Everton, Ole is transforming us into Cardiff. I know which one I would choose.
He's in survival mode. Every interview carries a comment trying to justify his stay for another year.
The only great job he's done is of brainwashing others. Almost everything right
It's like there's an alternate universe where Ole is doing a terrific job.In a lot of ways he sounds like Mourinho
"A broken squad left by the previous managers". I have never heard that one before, when Van Gaal came, when Jose came, none. They were all expected to make us better regardless of the squad They had. Excuses. Becoming the person We hated.
"Bad players left by the previous managers" is the new football heritage.
"Bad players left by the previous managers" is the new football heritage.
Same shit we hear every season. Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild. Without proper funding and a decent scout team and manager that gets us the right players this will again lead to nothing. What pull has Ole got to get us the "right" players?
Possibly, but we did cut a large number of players from squad and tried to clear more. The Glazers pulled the plug on Rojo's transfer, for example.
Unless you are willing to have a window of spending £500m+ along with the clearout (which we're not able or willing to do) it's going to take a number of windows to correct the balance of the squad, and as we've seen in recent years transfers don't always work out or take a while to bed in.
Whether this strategy will work out depend on how much the better young players (Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, McTominay, James, AWB, Williams, Garner, etc etc) who are getting time now learn and improve over the next season or two, and if we can get the quality to support them.
See the thing is that I feel that we're yet to appoint a manager who is both genuinely world class and not over-the-hill. With Jose, we all thought that we've got that. But he was coming off another meltdown and this time it genuinely seems that he has become quite outdated for modern football.
For LVG, we were optimistic and confident because we were of the opinion that Moyes could only have been a blip. But it was clear soon enough, almost everyone could see that he wasn't suited to our style of play and it wasn't going to be a happy arrangement. His eventual sacking also came a bit too late. Wolfsburg should've been the end for him. You could argue that insanity on the club's part could also be giving failing managers repeated opportunities when it's clear its not going to work out in the long run.
I'm open to giving managers time to rebuild even if it means another season outside the top 4. But I don't have faith in Ole anymore. He came in with a message that the squad is already quite strong and "football is easy when you have good players". As soon as the going got tough, we never recovered. It was blamed on the squad but yet a strong sample set of the last 25 games have yielded 30 points. The minor upgrade from Smalling to Maguire for 80 million hasn't convinced me that Ole got the transfer priorities right and overall I'm unconvinced that he is the right guy.
I would prefer it if we got a proven manager in and trust him to handle our rebuild and be patient but with consistent progress. I don't want to throw any names but I genuinely believe that there are many managers who would be motivated to get a club like ours back to where we belong.
Clearly the twitter used his quote on Lampard to Ole. He didn’t exactly said it was the easiest job
Unfortunately, if he wants to speak all the time about future, he will need to learn how to moan and throw his players under the bus. When talking about future means you are dealing with lot of young players and should expect inconsistent performance.
Fans need not bother turning up for the rest of the season, when the club has thrown the towel in?
Absolutely disgraceful, i would say i'm surprised, but i'm not.
Absolutely disgraceful, i would say i'm surprised, but i'm not.
Whether Ole is up for it, who knows. But at least he is trying to change the culture of the club that was damaged since Ferguson left. Ferguson would never have signed Mata or Fellaini or Di Maria or Mykitarian and so on.
We have been grossfully mismanged since Ferguson retired. At least Ole is trying to stabilize the ship.
We have been grossfully mismanged since Ferguson retired. At least Ole is trying to stabilize the ship.
We gave it to caliber manager who can win CL like Jose & LVG. Oh boy, it worked well didn’t it?
Management is not always as black and white as that. Zidane, Guardiola, Ten Haag etc are examples of managers who had no track record, yet thrived due to inheriting insanely gifted squads, and forged strong reputations by shaping these squads, in a philosophy that was in align with the traditions of the club.
Ole is being mentored by Mike Phelan who is a phenomenal no.2 to have beside you in the dugout. It's not like Ole has 'pulled a Moyes' and has rocked up to Man Utd with a backroom team entirely consisting of Yes men from Molde, who he worked with previously there.
And the next season will be used to find the squad for the season after next. Winning is overrated. Squad finding is all the rage these days.
Buying Maguire for £80m, letting Smalling go, ignoring midfield and attack. I'm not buying it at all. Another window will just be more of the same.
Ole is not the one. We will win nothing with him.
Ole is not the one. We will win nothing with him.
We tried maintaining high standards, it "didn't work" so we just accept mediocrity then?
Sounds as good of a plan as this "rebuild" which generally does not exist in football in this form. No good plan includes going backwards and becoming a mid table side in the hopes of an underqualified manager improving and developing players. Besides, what's happening this season is not consistent with what people were saying before it started. The general opinion was that all we needed was a preseason and now sitting in 8th is somehow considered "doing OK in the league" even though that kind of form got previous managers sacked.
No.
Accept that we are in rebuilding process. It means, it will take time, the aim is to improve players & develop them. Inconsistent performance is to be expected from bunch of young team. But if they can improve to be better players (which so far have shown sign of improvement), surely you know what direction we are aiming for and where we are going to as a team.