If you beat a top six side once and then lose/draw to a weaker team, yeah, maybe it's about motivation. When It's happens time after time for half a season, I can't put it down to that. It's about football, not mental issues.
Ole says this season will be used to find next season’s squad
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If you beat a top six side once and then lose/draw to a weaker team, yeah, maybe it's about motivation. When It's happens time after time for half a season, I can't put it down to that. It's about football, not mental issues.
Darmian stayed here 3 seasons more than we wanted him here as no other club could match the huge salary we were paying him. Rojo too. Then we were lucky to get rid of Alexis for a season, as he seemed happy to put his feet up unless we were willing to bend over backwards and pay most of his salary for him to feck off. Not as easy as you think.
Lingard even said the team had motivation issues against midtable teams. Nice that he's being honest, but feck me, as a player you play for an amazing historic team and one of the biggest clubs in the World. You even get paid to be top-motivated - how can you be so careless / not motivated? The team needs leadership, aggression and hungry players. But probably at least as important: consequence for not performing and competition.
It takes us ages to ship off underperformers, and ages to get in solid competition/squad depth. Probably it all starts with us hitting the right targets (scout and profile right) to begin with
It takes us ages to ship off underperformers, and ages to get in solid competition/squad depth. Probably it all starts with us hitting the right targets (scout and profile right) to begin with
You crossed the line here friend. Finishing above newly promoted teams wasn't built in a day. 3 to 4 windows away
Are you saying We have a squad worse than Watford? is expecting this squad to beat a team positioned 20th in the league too much? nice one.
Just pointing out that no matter how low we fall... you and other ole in simply say “well this is what was to to be expected this season” Why I don’t know, our squad finished 2nd the season before last.
Its almost like we are a really young team with tons of potential but lack consistency and squad depth.
The lack of consistency absolutely positively cannot be the result of inexperience as occurs with every other young team on the planet. It must be due to fatal flaws in the club hierarchy, the manager, the attitude of the players, and a few select scapegoats, problems that can only be fixed by criticizing everything until everyone is sacked.
I cant believe you think this is defending the manager. Look at the teams you listed and the fact you seem happy we managed to break down these European giants. Are we forgetting the torturous games against Rochdale, Astana, Watford, West Ham, Newcastle....
He started the season saying we "need to be aiming higher than 3rd" so this is just moving the goalposts.
Stick to your guns even if it means saying we're not where we want to be. Otherwise it's just showing signs of weakness and buying excuses.
You can say something like "We're not where we wanted to be and the players are aware of the standards we need to set" without criticising anyone, and send a completely different message to "Well yeah, we're just building for next season really"
The former tells your players, and everyone else, that you expect better and wont settle for not getting it. The later tells everyone, including your players, that you'll just adjust your expectations to how well (or not) you happen to do.
Stick to your guns even if it means saying we're not where we want to be. Otherwise it's just showing signs of weakness and buying excuses.
You can say something like "We're not where we wanted to be and the players are aware of the standards we need to set" without criticising anyone, and send a completely different message to "Well yeah, we're just building for next season really"
The former tells your players, and everyone else, that you expect better and wont settle for not getting it. The later tells everyone, including your players, that you'll just adjust your expectations to how well (or not) you happen to do.
We didn't break down a packed Colchester defence in the 1st half, with Rashford being especially poor. Our first goal came from our first counter attack. Colchester had to come out after that, so with more space, we scored twice more. But we couldn't open up their defence when it was packed.
What I thought we were doing anyway, Youngest team in the league, lets see how good they are, current players playing for future, do they stay, do we bring someone to start ahead of you oe give something different.
Were not a bad side, can be dangerous but lacking in areas, three years to challenge is a fair time, we bought into a rebuild rather than big dosh big names. I'm enjoying the kids and think were getting a clearer picture of what we want and where we can inprove to get it.
Had to given this one a second look over to make sure it was a joke.
Also I'm not happy about United season but I'm also not going to lose my mind, when a midfield of Scott Mctominay, Fred and a 57 year old Juan Mata are struggling to play brilliant possession football.
"Hurr durr, all you Ole-in people say *thing*"
Try pulling me up on what I've actually said instead of what you imagined I said. It's a team in transition that weren't expected to challenge, and no amount of "but Rodgers and Leicester" isn't going to change that. And since that 2nd place finish, 10 players have moved, either permanently or on loan, so acting like it's the same squad is disingenuous. I'll leave it to others to debate whether that was a calculated risk or a dumb mistake, because I can't be bothered.
So needs a full season to really assess the squad of the future after he's already had a over half a season and pre-season to do just that? Can only think it's something to continue with whatever brainwashing he's done with board, getting them to keep believing there is some master plan that is working to perfection and just keep looking at the horizon, not at the complete shit trail of games against teams which usually define if you are competing for top 4 or not.
Top 6 - Potentially 30 points to play for in a season
Rest of League - 84 points
Winning against the top sides or even being competitive is great, it often helps in a tight title race. However, to actually be in a title race, the team has to have the ability to win most of the points available against the rest of the league. RIght now, when we are more likely to lose a game against teams in the relegation zone than against the top 6 side, there is a huge problem.
Yes, Pogba has been out and it will make a huge difference when he is back but, then isn't that huge black mark against Ole that he doesn't actually have the ability to coach performances and results without him, that he is that reliant on one player. What happens when Pogba has an off game, can we actually trust then Ole to manage getting a win?
The board needs to wake up, there is no plan that is working. We've been able to play against the top sides since he's come in and equally we've been crap against the relegation sides - there is no actual progress being made.
Top 6 - Potentially 30 points to play for in a season
Rest of League - 84 points
Winning against the top sides or even being competitive is great, it often helps in a tight title race. However, to actually be in a title race, the team has to have the ability to win most of the points available against the rest of the league. RIght now, when we are more likely to lose a game against teams in the relegation zone than against the top 6 side, there is a huge problem.
Yes, Pogba has been out and it will make a huge difference when he is back but, then isn't that huge black mark against Ole that he doesn't actually have the ability to coach performances and results without him, that he is that reliant on one player. What happens when Pogba has an off game, can we actually trust then Ole to manage getting a win?
The board needs to wake up, there is no plan that is working. We've been able to play against the top sides since he's come in and equally we've been crap against the relegation sides - there is no actual progress being made.
Well this season is to find the squad for next season he says. In the meantime we end up mid table at least. Now next season he will say we are going to find the squad for the following season. We end up in mid table again.
Get rid of deadwood and bring in improvements... isn’t that what he did in the transfer window? Only player he lost that he didn’t want to lose was Herrera...but it’s Ole’s decision not to reinforce the midfield.
If the players attitude and body language which was dripping with "don't give a damn" against Watford is anything to go by, they have downed tools on this manager. Or simply that he cannot motivate them well enough to give a performance at least 10 percent worthy of a United shirt. You don't need world class performances to beat teams like Watford. We don't need Xavi and Iniesta and Toure to dominate midfield. We needed to get our basics right. String two passes without giving the ball away. Work on the wide areas and get crosses in early. But all these were absent that day. Ole is not a tactical genius that's been long established. But I think that day confirmed my doubt that he's not a good man manager or motivator either. Surely we would have got at least a goal in a fixture against Wateffingford.
It's a matter of time before he loses the dressing room altogether. Dross like Young and Lingard will of course hail him as the greatest since SAF and that's obvious because it ensures that they can continue stealing a living.
I don't know how far it's true but reports are rife in Italy that Haaland has chosen Juve. So even our much vaunted saviour is ditching us it seems. So much for the lure of playing for Ole.
I am willing to wait and see whether the Board is on same page as Ole with respect to writing the season off. If they are I will finally well and truly kill off any expectations I usually have when a season starts. I will try to enjoy our football from the perspective of a mate who supports the Saints. Because every year I used to question him about what joy it brings him to see his team wobble around in the PL (when they are in the PL i.e.) But now I have to learn and be that supporter, with nil expectations and a gratified smile if we somehow manage to win a game or two here and there. Sorry Ed and Ole, no matter how hard you try you won't be able to wean me away from Man Utd.
It's a matter of time before he loses the dressing room altogether. Dross like Young and Lingard will of course hail him as the greatest since SAF and that's obvious because it ensures that they can continue stealing a living.
I don't know how far it's true but reports are rife in Italy that Haaland has chosen Juve. So even our much vaunted saviour is ditching us it seems. So much for the lure of playing for Ole.
I am willing to wait and see whether the Board is on same page as Ole with respect to writing the season off. If they are I will finally well and truly kill off any expectations I usually have when a season starts. I will try to enjoy our football from the perspective of a mate who supports the Saints. Because every year I used to question him about what joy it brings him to see his team wobble around in the PL (when they are in the PL i.e.) But now I have to learn and be that supporter, with nil expectations and a gratified smile if we somehow manage to win a game or two here and there. Sorry Ed and Ole, no matter how hard you try you won't be able to wean me away from Man Utd.
Our failings arent merely to do with squad age and quality. It's even more to do with lack of ability in the man running the team, which is blatantly obvious from how poorly coached we look bar the odd game raising match or two.Its almost like we are a really young team with tons of potential but lack consistency and squad depth.
I do find it amusing how Ole backing youth has completely absolved him from having to do anything as Manchester United manager. Easiest job in the world. Play youth. Do a terrible job. Win a few matches here and there. All is well.
The constant goalpost moving for Ole is absurd, that even the ole in brigade lost track of which post on which
Ole at the wheel, 15 wins on a trot
Imagine what he can do with a preseason and a fit team
Imagine what he can do with a transfer window
3 very good signing, way to go
Wait till he has full team
Wait till he has Martial back
Wait till he has Pogba Back
Apparently 6 months isn't enough because he inherited a shit squad
He wanted 6-7 players but blocked by woodward
Klopp finished 8th in his first season
It's not easy to rebuild, culture, youth
He needs January Window
He needs 400M to compete
We're actually doing fine, look at Xg
We're actually topping the table if not for individual error
Maguire is a great purchase, if not for his individual error
We're actually keeping 18 clean sheets, if not for stupid individual error
We can actually see what he's trying to do (just like you can see the emperor's new clothes)
Took more than 6 months to rectify Jose's mess
Give him 3 years, you're plastic if you prefer short term gain over long term
Long term
Rebuild
Installing United culture (while having no fight when Watford runs ring around us)
The player needs to know what it takes to play for United, this year will determine who plays next season.
Ole at the wheel, 15 wins on a trot
Imagine what he can do with a preseason and a fit team
Imagine what he can do with a transfer window
3 very good signing, way to go
Wait till he has full team
Wait till he has Martial back
Wait till he has Pogba Back
Apparently 6 months isn't enough because he inherited a shit squad
He wanted 6-7 players but blocked by woodward
Klopp finished 8th in his first season
It's not easy to rebuild, culture, youth
He needs January Window
He needs 400M to compete
We're actually doing fine, look at Xg
We're actually topping the table if not for individual error
Maguire is a great purchase, if not for his individual error
We're actually keeping 18 clean sheets, if not for stupid individual error
We can actually see what he's trying to do (just like you can see the emperor's new clothes)
Took more than 6 months to rectify Jose's mess
Give him 3 years, you're plastic if you prefer short term gain over long term
Long term
Rebuild
Installing United culture (while having no fight when Watford runs ring around us)
The player needs to know what it takes to play for United, this year will determine who plays next season.
Just like Ole totally sold Fellaini, right?
This explains so much about some of our supporter. "What's the point of supporting a team that's not winning trophies all the time? God, no I have learn how not to be a plastic." If you need the lure of winning trophies to properly enjoy a game of football, maybe you're not really a fan of the game of football?
Are you seriously asking if winning is important to enjoying "watching" football? Not playing, but watching.
No, I'm saying that winning and challenging for trophies shouldn't be a prerequisite to be able to enjoy watching football.
I don't really think there are many enjoying it. Our goal difference is +4 after 18 games. We have the same points as Newcastle. The only Man Utd fan I know where I'm from cancelled his subscription this year
We are not playing attacking football that is not coming off. We're playing defensively trying to hit them on the counter. Much like Mourinho but without hoof it to fellaini.
Again, I'm talking about the "if we're not winning or challenging for trophies, what's the point?" that my man up there was getting at, with not understanding how his mate could enjoy being a Southampton supporter.
I guess it comes from the fact that Man Utd has been among the 3 biggest clubs in world since Fergie got going. When your are supporter of a mediocre club, you accept they are mediocre, because they are limited by their wealth and prestige to perform much above that. Man Utd is still one of wealthiest and most prestigefull clubs in the world, but we have slid in mediocrity and we don't want stay here, because we know we can do much better with the right manager and the right players.
Maybe you didn’t get my sarcasm. Ole sold Fellaini, it was clear by the way that he froze him out that it was Ole’s decision. Ole took the credit at the time but don’t change history because he was too incompetent to replace him.
Also if it wasn’t Ole’s decision not to reinforce the midfield and everything is down to the board. Then give the board credit for signing James, Maguire , AWB.
The double standards are what I do not get. If this was anyone other than Solskjaer saying this they would have been slaughtered by the same people defending him.
He has clearly given up on this season. I think that probably means getting top four in the league. Is that really acceptable to throw in the towel so early?
He has clearly given up on this season. I think that probably means getting top four in the league. Is that really acceptable to throw in the towel so early?
Nope, all the poor decisions are the men upstairs, all the good decisions are the likable guys in the dugout.
It’s clear as day, the club signed AWB, James & Maguire and that the manager has much less say now (1 vote and a veto). The is at least very promising because it shows that the men above Ole have finally realised that managers might get sacked, but there must be continuity in the transfer market.
Next year we will be prepared for the mighty Longstaff brothers. It takes time.
Whatever, believe what you want.
Thanks for telling me what I'd be doing if the circumstances were different, I wasn't sure myself.
That's what neutrals are for. As fans, how can anyone say that winning should not be a prerequisite to enjoying "watching" a game where 22 strangers kick a ball about. It's all about the passion and that's why fans are there. Else why even have an atmosphere at the matches.
Sorry to say this but it’s such a deluded answer to even think those two managers worked out well for us. Why did they get fired then if it worked? Why is our squad still behind city & Liverpool if it worked? It took LVG 2 summer transfer window to won 1 FA Cup, may be you should give Ole the same time as well to win silverware.
No. That’s not what I meant.
The two previous managers chose to do quick fix which is why they failed with us and why our squad are behind Liverpool & city. While Ole chose to do rebuilding the squad by improving and developing players which something that the previous managers with big CV couldn’t do. However, under Ole, players have shown sign of improvement & progress. If players are improving and developing, it will benefit the team as well especially the next 2-4 years. Not sure how did you get into conclusion that we are doing worse right now, you don’t compare a result of managers with 2 full season to the result of manager who is still in mid season.
Watford scored due to a goalkeeping error and a penalty. I only saw the last 20 minutes, and in that time Greenwood, Rashford and Maguire had golden opportunities to score, along with Lingards in the first half. Liverpool have had some very poor games this season (and that's from a Liverpool supporter) yet they just seem to take that one opportunity when it comes along, something we're not managing at the moment.
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Let’s rephrase that sentence so you can understand. We hired managers who chose to do quick fix and it didn’t work. So we give to a manager who can rebuild the squad by improving & developing players, so far players have shown sign of improvement under Ole which some that our previous managers couldn’t do and chose to waste our money to buy deadwood.
The point of our rebuilding process is improving & developing players. There are sign of improvement under players and the manager right now is focusing on developing our young players. How do you know if he’s not good enough and is definitely not happening if the manager hasn’t even been given enough time when clearly the process does take time? When it’s called “it does take time” it doesn’t mean 6 months or 1 year.