Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
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I honestly couldn't care less how we lineup against Watford. We should beat them easily unless ole has completely.lost the players.

I'm more interested how we lineup VS Villarreal. We literally need at least a draw right? How he sets up there is very telling
 
Without having to resort to namecalling, the most damning thing I could say about the management team as a whole, is that I genuinely don't think they could have done a worse job with the squad they have to work with.

We have a phenomenal set of players, I would say the best we've had since 2009 personally, and yet most of us don't even enjoy watching them play right now, yet alone expect them to win us some silverware.

If you look at our matches on a game by game basis, we are actually lucky to be in the position we are in, in terms of our standing in the league and Europe. Our performances in the majority of our games have been nothing short of abysmal. Particularly in Europe, where if it wasn't for the brilliance of Ronaldo basically pulling clutch goals out of his ass for us, we would already be consigned to playing Europa League football after Christmas.
 
RUCK4444 said:
You think he will swap from the three (five) at the back?

I’ve no idea what to expect at the minute. I think he will want to go for it and try to make it as positive a result as it can be for him.
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I feel like the whispers were we'd take a more attacking approach after the City embarrassment. But who knows. It's anyones guess. Even a more attacking lineup doesn't give me much hope.
 
Rightnr said:
As much OGS should be gone, what really annoys me is that he was happy to go to 5-3-2 but cannot expirement with 4-3-3 when he had success with it in the past.

Since we're awful, we might as well try something different but entertaining different.
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We are leaking goals like a sieve so our coaching staff thought that by simply playing additional defender it will solve those issues. Reality is that doesn't matter what tactics we use, it will still be a disjointed and clueless mess because of obvious reasons.
 
Judas said:
I feel like the whispers were we'd take a more attacking approach after the City embarrassment. But who knows. It's anyones guess. Even a more attacking lineup doesn't give me much hope.
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Yeah if anything we look worse when we go attacking this season, either way I suppose we will see if the players are still going to put a shift in for him.

I don’t know whether to stream this or just give it a miss and avoid the stress/frustration.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
I don’t think any other person manager player or anybody else has made this fan base as toxic as Ole has.
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Jose Mourinho easily

It's getting ugly now but don't think anything will ever compare to the toxicity during those final few weeks/months after the season started when he was actively looking for the sack.

It was an all out civil war within the fanbase.
 
I'm busy Saturday, I might avoid the score and watch it when I'm home, but honestly I can see me being not too fussed if it gets spoiled. Win/lose/draw, I doubt it'll be a good watch.
 
Judas said:
I'm busy Saturday, I might avoid the score and watch it when I'm home, but honestly I can see me being not too fussed if it gets spoiled. Win/lose/draw, I doubt it'll be a good watch.
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Don’t think it will be a good watch either but I am certain we will win. We seem to win these games which will give Ole time then we will have a wake up call against Villarreal
 
Rightnr said:
As much OGS should be gone, what really annoys me is that he was happy to go to 5-3-2 but cannot expirement with 4-3-3 when he had success with it in the past.

Since we're awful, we might as well try something different but entertaining different.
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I don't see it working with Bruno as the 3rd midfielder. It doesn't even work with Portugal who has a better collection of midfielders.
 
Rolaholic said:
Jose Mourinho easily

It's getting ugly now but don't think anything will ever compare to the toxicity during those final few weeks/months after the season started when he was actively looking for the sack.

It was an all out civil war within the fanbase.
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Are you talking within the club or within the fanbase?

With the fanbase the toxicity wasn't really Mourinho's fault. The club gave him a new deal and then didn't buy the players he wanted in the following transfer market after he finished second with 81 points. That created a split in the fans between those blaming it all on the club and those solely blaming Mourinho.

There's none of that doubt with Ole. He's had massive money spent on players he asked for and the board have put him so high up on a pedestal he's clearly bought into his own nonsense. Makes it very easy for us all to point at him and his staff and say "these guys are the problem".
 
hobbers said:
With the fanbase the toxicity wasn't really Mourinho's fault. The club gave him a new deal and then didn't buy the players he wanted in the following transfer market after he finished second with 81 points. That created a split in the fans between those blaming it all on the club and those solely blaming Mourinho.
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Not to mention the fact that he'd identified Pogba and Martial as more trouble than they were worth and wanted them out but the club wouldn't sanction it. I think everyone would probably agree with that view now.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Not to mention the fact that he'd identified Pogba and Martial as more trouble than they were worth and wanted them out but the club wouldn't sanction it. I think everyone would probably agree with that view now.
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We could have gotten 100+ million on these players alone but the stupid feckng management decided they know better than Mourinho on the matter. Now we're about to lose Pogba on a free and Martial for peanuts. And both have done diddly squat after Mourinho. Mourinho deserved to be sacked after losing his mind afterwards, but I was of the opinion back then that you either back him fully as a manager or none at all. Why give him a new contract and then the new season for no real reason when we could have sacked him in the summer and gotten a quality manager out of it instead of Ole? Just blunders after blunders from these idiots in charge of the club.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Not to mention the fact that he'd identified Pogba and Martial as more trouble than they were worth and wanted them out but the club wouldn't sanction it. I think everyone would probably agree with that view now.
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Sorry, that's nonsense. Martial was in amazing form when he bought the flop Sanchez and benched our best attacker.

As for Pogba, that's more on the club than anyone else.

And for every few things he was right, he was wrong on at least 10. He thought Rashford was an impact sub ffs.
 
Just to save face, he has to stay until Christmas right? Assuming the results don’t get out of hand. I mean you can’t show people you’re that incompetent by firing him after Watford when you had two weeks to do it.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Not to mention the fact that he'd identified Pogba and Martial as more trouble than they were worth and wanted them out but the club wouldn't sanction it. I think everyone would probably agree with that view now.
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What troubles have Martial caused? It's a bit dubious to say things like that.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Not to mention the fact that he'd identified Pogba and Martial as more trouble than they were worth and wanted them out but the club wouldn't sanction it. I think everyone would probably agree with that view now.
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You forgot to add Shaw. He also identified Dier, Perisic, Willian, and Danny rose as their replacements and his subsequent failures proved he was finished as a good manager.
 
Idxomer said:
You forgot to add Shaw. He also identified Dier, Perisic, Willian, and Danny rose as their replacements and his subsequent failures proved he was finished as a good manager.
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The funny thing about Mourinho is that when we signed the likes of Matic, Lindelof, Bailly, Dalot, Lukaku and others people were raving about Mourinho's legendary scouting abilities in particular when it came to defenders. When they failed they were all club signings.
 
JPRouve said:
The funny thing about Mourinho is that when we signed the likes of Matic, Lindelof, Bailly, Dalot, Lukaku and others people were raving about Mourinho's legendary scouting abilities in particular when it came to defenders. When they failed they were all club signings.
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Lindelof and Bailly were liked by club scouts and Jose's own scouts.

Matic and Lukaku were 100% Mourinho signings, I doubt anyone has ever tried to argue differently.
 
hobbers said:
Lindelof and Bailly were liked by club scouts and Jose's own scouts.

Matic and Lukaku were 100% Mourinho signings, I doubt anyone has ever tried to argue differently.
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People blamed the club for both Matic and Lukaku, in fact people have blamed the club for everything single signings when it doesn't work while praising managers when it works.
 
JPRouve said:
The funny thing about Mourinho is that when we signed the likes of Matic, Lindelof, Bailly, Dalot, Lukaku and others people were raving about Mourinho's legendary scouting abilities in particular when it came to defenders. When they failed they were all club signings.
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I'm pretty sure I read before he wanted Pogba at Chelsea, so I doubt he was against his signing after becoming United manager.
 
With Jose you knew when it has come to an end. He did deliver two trophies (yes not the big ones) and a second place. With Ole you know that we will not win anything and spending more than Jose we have regressed. I cannot see us getting 2nd place this season.
 
Idxomer said:
I'm pretty sure I read before he wanted Pogba at Chelsea, so I doubt he was against his signing after becoming United manager.
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He definitely did but you will see many posters claim that Mourinho didn't want Pogba, at Chelsea he compared to the Eiffel tower something that you want but can't afford.
 
hobbers said:
Lindelof and Bailly were liked by club scouts and Jose's own scouts.

Matic and Lukaku were 100% Mourinho signings, I doubt anyone has ever tried to argue differently.
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No they didn't. Matic and Lukaku were always Jose signings.
 
hobbers said:
Hard to swap to a 4-3-3 mid-season when you give yourself your coaches and all your players a week off instead of training with the new formation :lol:
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Bold of you to assume we train these different formations and he doesn’t just send the players out there and tell them line up like this.
 
Valar Morghulis said:
Without having to resort to namecalling, the most damning thing I could say about the management team as a whole, is that I genuinely don't think they could have done a worse job with the squad they have to work with.

We have a phenomenal set of players, I would say the best we've had since 2009 personally, and yet most of us don't even enjoy watching them play right now, yet alone expect them to win us some silverware.

If you look at our matches on a game by game basis, we are actually lucky to be in the position we are in, in terms of our standing in the league and Europe. Our performances in the majority of our games have been nothing short of abysmal. Particularly in Europe, where if it wasn't for the brilliance of Ronaldo basically pulling clutch goals out of his ass for us, we would already be consigned to playing Europa League football after Christmas.
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Spot on
 
Idxomer said:
You forgot to add Shaw. He also identified Dier, Perisic, Willian, and Danny rose as their replacements and his subsequent failures proved he was finished as a good manager.
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Funny thing is - that if we got them, we'd have at least a title on our hands. And i'm willing to have that trade-off. What have we gotten from Pogba and Martial, anyway, except a bunch of drama? Okay, Martial has been quiet, but with the exception of a few brief purple patches, he's been absolute dogshit.
 
Looking forward to this thread having thousands of pages and still being here this time next year
 
Rightnr said:
Sorry, that's nonsense. Martial was in amazing form when he bought the flop Sanchez and benched our best attacker.

As for Pogba, that's more on the club than anyone else.
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Sorry, which bit is nonsense? The bit about Mourinho wanting rid of them, or the notion that this would have been a good move?

Martial, under every manager, has blown hot and cold. He'll have periods where he looks good, then others where he looks like he couldn't give a feck. He will never fulfil his potential at this club, or probably anywhere else.

Pogba is a similar case, and on top of his patchy form you can add his propensity to talk about wanting to leave every time he is away with France.

I would not have blamed any manager for wanting rid of those two, and that's the situation that we'll most likely be in come the summer anyway...and what have the two of them contributed in the 3 years since? Not much.
 
Sviken said:
Funny thing is - that if we got them, we'd have at least a title on our hands. And i'm willing to have that trade-off. What have we gotten from Pogba and Martial, anyway, except a bunch of drama? Okay, Martial has been quiet, but with the exception of a few brief purple patches, he's been absolute dogshit.
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It's funny because it's fanciful. What makes you think that this team would collect around 98 points? Also what have Pogba and Martial got to do with any of it?
 
golden_blunder said:
I always find it odd when people give out about admins who have helped grow this forum to what it is today, over 20 years.
choose your battles and learn when to take it on the chin and move on
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Yea, I definitely agree. I just come here to bitch and whine about something I'm passionate about. If United were still winning trophies, I don't think I'd even be here or post much if I was.
 
Sviken said:
We could have gotten 100+ million on these players alone but the stupid feckng management decided they know better than Mourinho on the matter. Now we're about to lose Pogba on a free and Martial for peanuts. And both have done diddly squat after Mourinho. Mourinho deserved to be sacked after losing his mind afterwards, but I was of the opinion back then that you either back him fully as a manager or none at all. Why give him a new contract and then the new season for no real reason when we could have sacked him in the summer and gotten a quality manager out of it instead of Ole? Just blunders after blunders from these idiots in charge of the club.
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I absolutely agree. He was given a new contract, finished 2nd, and then wasn't backed. Whatever you think of him as a person it was an odd way for the board to behave. I think basically Mourinho discovered then what the fanbase is slowly waking up to now: ergo the board and owners are not interested in much beyond finishing in the top 4.
 
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Sviken said:
Funny thing is - that if we got them, we'd have at least a title on our hands. And i'm willing to have that trade-off. What have we gotten from Pogba and Martial, anyway, except a bunch of drama? Okay, Martial has been quiet, but with the exception of a few brief purple patches, he's been absolute dogshit.
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I have nothing to tell you if you believe those players would've helped us get the 100 points needed to win the league in these years.
 
JPRouve said:
What troubles have Martial caused? It's a bit dubious to say things like that.
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When I say 'more trouble then they are worth' it's not necessarily referencing actual troublemaking - it can also just mean that someone is not worth persisting with if they don't follow your instructions, or not work hard enough for the role you want them to fulfil. He certainly looks like he's a bit of a sulker when things aren't going his way, but I appreciate that that is just my view, I don't know him personally.
 
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