Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
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laughtersassassin said:


If Ole gets to the Arsenal game he is here for the season :wenger:
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Hand on heart I cant see us winning many of those games.
The CL games are going to be alot tougher than we expect.
YB will be up for the game its like a cup final for them, Villareal will be a tough game and one I can see us losing as they have a tactical genius (compared to the guy we have in the dug out) Watford we should beat but again a better manager in charge of them and if they play a low block we will struggle again.
Chelsea we will be lucky to draw with and Arsenal under Arteta will beat us as has in the past. Then we have a slightly easier run of fixtures, but Brentford and Brighton will give us tough games.
So 9-15 points out of those 12 games possibly :(
 
Rhyme Animal said:
That is so pathetic.

He was a top player and a Utd legend, but as a manager he’s a massive fecking loser through and through.

How on Earth he is the manager of Man Utd is beggar’s belief…

Surreal situation at Utd.
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I don't get this stuff?


If he was a a total loser as a manager he have never lasted this long. We would have been a shitshow the whole time he has been here. He's done well in the league since he came in. Most consistent since Fergie regards finishing high up the table.


This season has really brought out the venom.


Some of the stuff I'm reading from fans towards him is f##king shocking to be honest
 
Flexdegea said:
I don't get this stuff?


If he was a a total loser as a manager he have never lasted this long. We would have been a shitshow the whole time he has been here. He's done well in the league since he came in. Most consistent since Fergie regards finishing high up the table.


This season has really brought out the venom.


Some of the stuff I'm reading from fans towards him is f##king shocking to be honest
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At most clubs he would have been sacked a few times over to be fair
 
Rhyme Animal said:
That is so pathetic.

He was a top player and a Utd legend, but as a manager he’s a massive fecking loser through and through.

How on Earth he is the manager of Man Utd is beggar’s belief…

Surreal situation at Utd.
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Because we're a circus. The worst decision we've made post SAF and we've made a million poor choices since then.
 
Flexdegea said:
I don't get this stuff?


If he was a a total loser as a manager he have never lasted this long. We would have been a shitshow the whole time he has been here. He's done well in the league since he came in. Most consistent since Fergie regards finishing high up the table.


This season has really brought out the venom.


Some of the stuff I'm reading from fans towards him is f##king shocking to be honest
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He has no tactics.

He has spent half a billion and has a squad full of top class talent but plays cowardly football.

He made Cardiff worse. Got relegated and then sacked the next season after filling their squad with dross.

He’s won nothing at Utd in 3 years.

As a manager he’s a fecking massive loser who’s only in the Utd job because of the literally insane board and club culture that’s above him.
 
Flexdegea said:
I don't get this stuff?


If he was a a total loser as a manager he have never lasted this long. We would have been a shitshow the whole time he has been here. He's done well in the league since he came in. Most consistent since Fergie regards finishing high up the table.


This season has really brought out the venom.


Some of the stuff I'm reading from fans towards him is f##king shocking to be honest
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What's the opposite of a loser? In my books the opposite of a loser is a winner. Now what has Ole won as a United manager?
 
Mainoldo said:
Providing we don’t lose to Villarreal otherwise we have to beat Young Boys by 4 goals.
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It's head to head in the CL groups isn't it? So if we lose 1-0 or by 2 goals to Villareal, we'll finish 3rd regardless of our result if Atalanta gets 2 wins.
 
Flexdegea said:
I don't get this stuff?


If he was a a total loser as a manager he have never lasted this long. We would have been a shitshow the whole time he has been here. He's done well in the league since he came in. Most consistent since Fergie regards finishing high up the table.


This season has really brought out the venom.


Some of the stuff I'm reading from fans towards him is f##king shocking to be honest
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Agree, it’s exaggerated and perpetuating an internet myth.
I want change, I think ole has gone as far as he can, or to be more specific I think the people he surrounds himself with aren’t up to the task. If he had brought in someone experienced as a number 2 like fergie used to do to keep them hungry, he might have lasted a bit more. But he sticks by his coaching staff and will lose his job with the coaching staff. Too loyal for his own good.

as For the abuse, name calling etc, it’s just childish nonsense
 
golden_blunder said:
Agree, it’s exaggerated and perpetuating an internet myth.
I want change, I think ole has gone as far as he can, or to be more specific I think the people he surrounds himself with aren’t up to the task. If he had brought in someone experienced as a number 2 like fergie used to do to keep them hungry, he might have lasted a bit more. But he sticks by his coaching staff and will lose his job with the coaching staff. Too loyal for his own good.

as For the abuse, name calling etc, it’s just childish nonsense
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I agree that there are way better ways to describe Ole. However the opposite of a loser is a winner and as a United manager Ole has won.......
 
Flexdegea said:
I don't get this stuff?


If he was a a total loser as a manager he have never lasted this long. We would have been a shitshow the whole time he has been here. He's done well in the league since he came in. Most consistent since Fergie regards finishing high up the table.


This season has really brought out the venom.


Some of the stuff I'm reading from fans towards him is f##king shocking to be honest
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Ole is a serial loser in management, at least in this country, nothing controversial about that statement.

Got Cardiff relegated. On course to relegate them from the championship as well before he was sacked. Embarrassed in his first CL campaign here. Also bottled it in 5 semi finals and 1 final. Spent £400m but so far we're on course to finish this season with 59 points.
 
golden_blunder said:
Agree, it’s exaggerated and perpetuating an internet myth.
I want change, I think ole has gone as far as he can, or to be more specific I think the people he surrounds himself with aren’t up to the task. If he had brought in someone experienced as a number 2 like fergie used to do to keep them hungry, he might have lasted a bit more. But he sticks by his coaching staff and will lose his job with the coaching staff. Too loyal for his own good.

as For the abuse, name calling etc, it’s just childish nonsense
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Thats the real issue here - they are not a good back room team. Unfortunately that is on the manager too.
Ole needs to go but abuse of the man is not called for.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
He has no tactics.

He has spent half a billion and has a squad full of top class talent but plays cowardly football.

He made Cardiff worse. Got relegated and then sacked the next season after filling their squad with dross.

He’s won nothing at Utd in 3 years.

As a manager he’s a fecking massive loser who’s only in the Utd job because of the literally insane board and club culture that’s above him.
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Yet he will leave this job with the squad in its best shape for years, meaning the next man should have an easier job. Ole has built solid foundations, but has gone as far as he csb
 
golden_blunder said:
Agree, it’s exaggerated and perpetuating an internet myth.
I want change, I think ole has gone as far as he can, or to be more specific I think the people he surrounds himself with aren’t up to the task. If he had brought in someone experienced as a number 2 like fergie used to do to keep them hungry, he might have lasted a bit more. But he sticks by his coaching staff and will lose his job with the coaching staff. Too loyal for his own good.

as For the abuse, name calling etc, it’s just childish nonsense
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golden_blunder said:
You can be neither. Gone as far as he could. No shame in that. No need for name calling etc
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How can you be neither? The manager can be either a winner or a loser. Ok managers managing small clubs like let's say Torquay United, Salford or Tottenham can't be rated in such binary way. However we're Manchester United. The manager had been given 3 years and 415m to spend. Its fair to say that his lack of trophies does describe what he is.
 
My disengagement with this club starts now. I'll always support us and want us to be successful but don't see a way to remain so invested when there is no ambition at board level to compete for the biggest honours.

The Glazers have found their man - someone who can deliver top 4 and the financial benefits with huge resources and keep the harmony between management and the board, allowing them to focus on commercial operations. This is Man Utd in 2021. If I am a plastic fan for the above then so be it, I'll be watching from afar with close to no expectations.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yet he will leave this job with the squad in its best shape for years, meaning the next man should have an easier job. Ole has built solid foundations, but has gone as far as he csb
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Building foundations might be the worst achievement possible. Imagine having something like the following on your CV: "I was pretty much terrible at my job but I built the foundations for someone better than me to actually do the job correctly".
 
golden_blunder said:
You can be neither. Gone as far as he could. No shame in that. No need for name calling etc
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devilish said:
I agree that there are way better ways to describe Ole. However the opposite of a loser is a winner and as a United manager Ole has won.......
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I also called him a great player and a Utd manager ffs… in the same sentence.

As a manager, at this level, he’s a loser. That’s not a personal attack on him.

Watch that Cardiff video!

If someone said ‘Rooney was a brilliant striker, but he’s a fecking shit midfielder’, it isn’t an attack on Rooney, it’s a description of his abilities.

I don’t subscribe to personally abusing Ole or any player. But he shouldn’t be babied when talking about his pathetic coaching display.

He has no business being Utd manager and calling it as such is ok imo.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Sacking underperforming managers isn’t exclusive to Chelsea, it’s literally standard practice at every club in the world with any real ambition to be successful.
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Except we've sacked three managers before him. We tried to go for quick success and it didn't work. We give a lot of power to the manager, and unlike Chelsea we don't sign players for the club but rather let the manager decide.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yet he will leave this job with the squad in its best shape for years, meaning the next man should have an easier job. Ole has built solid foundations, but has gone as far as he csb
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The signings he’s made are huge names though geebs! He’s not unearthed any talent whatsoever.

He’s been indulged with half a billion, and many (most?) of his signings have regressed under him or are sat on the fecking bench due to his cowardly tactics!

He’s given contracts to players who should’ve been moved on and hoarded players who want out.

The squad is bloated and top heavy, and if we’re honest, most on here could’ve made those signings.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Except we've sacked three managers before him. We tried to go for quick success and it didn't work. We give a lot of power to the manager, and unlike Chelsea we don't sign players for the club but rather let the manager decide.
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We hired two big name managers at the lowest ebbs of their careers. That's why neither worked.

Also we sign players for the club exactly like Chelsea do. Herrera. Shaw. Fred. VdB. All signings by the club not by the manager.
 
laughtersassassin said:


If Ole gets to the Arsenal game he is here for the season :wenger:
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For us, that's an alarming set of fixtures.

The odds of us coming back to the table with tactical insight or anything having fundamentally altered is next to nil, which means exhausted, frustrated and most probably, demoralised players by the time of the Arsenal game.

We had the chance to salvage the season; by the end of this run, the season could well be a complete write off... with the best squad we've had in over a decade.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yet he will leave this job with the squad in its best shape for years, meaning the next man should have an easier job. Ole has built solid foundations, but has gone as far as he csb
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Is it the case though?

He's leaving United with 3 first team goalkeepers, none of which is anywhere near to a modern goalkeeper.

Defense can't keep a clean sheet despite us spending some 180m in it. The most expensive CB in the world is too slow to play in a high line. Meanwhile one of the wingbacks he brought can't defend while the other WB can't attack.

In midfield Pogba and Lingard are leaving on a free while VDB will probably leave on peanuts as well. The likes of Hannibal, Diallo and Pellistri hasn't been adequately developed, Martial can't really be arsed playing football anymore and Bruno seem to have regressed. Similarly to last year's big summer signing this big summer signing is rotting on the bench.

We've got some 34-40 year old something leading the line with a generational talent waiting for his chance.

I used to use that particular argument to praise/knock Mourinho and LVG down. That was until someone on this very forum told me to judge signings not from what they do in their first year but in long term. Guess what? If you use that same yardstick on Ole's signing then they don't look that great after all.
 
hobbers said:
We hired two big name managers at the lowest ebbs of their careers. That's why neither worked.

Also we sign players for the club exactly like Chelsea do. Herrera. Shaw. Fred. VdB. All signings by the club not by the manager.
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VdB sounds more like a third or fourth choice. There is nothing United about him
 
golden_blunder said:
Agree, it’s exaggerated and perpetuating an internet myth.
I want change, I think ole has gone as far as he can, or to be more specific I think the people he surrounds himself with aren’t up to the task. If he had brought in someone experienced as a number 2 like fergie used to do to keep them hungry, he might have lasted a bit more. But he sticks by his coaching staff and will lose his job with the coaching staff. Too loyal for his own good.

as For the abuse, name calling etc, it’s just childish nonsense
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The bolded bit...why the heck would we want a below par manager propped up by a brilliant number 2? This United we're talking about, a club with our history and resources should be targeting the best available for manager and coaching staff. It's such a mental situation that we're in that fans will put up with a mediocre manager simply cos he's an ex player - I don't understand it at all. What happened to 'no-one is bigger than the club'?
 
golden_blunder said:
Yet he will leave this job with the squad in its best shape for years, meaning the next man should have an easier job. Ole has built solid foundations, but has gone as far as he csb
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I don't subscribe to the narrative that he deserves to be heaped with praise for buying some good players. Identifying players like Sancho, Varane, Fernandes, and Ronaldo isn't that impressive, and we managed to sign them thanks to our reputation, resources, and negotiating team more than anything else.

Not only that but we currently have people wanting to replace our £80m defender, questioning why we signed Sancho when he's barely used, and expressing bafflement at the handling of Donny van beek. It's not a ringing endorsement for his squad building capabilities.

He would be deserving of praise if he actually knew how to utilise all the players he bought by building a formidable team.

Simply picking some good players from top European clubs and asking the club to sign them isn't worthy of much recognition tbh. It's something that's been massively overstated by people who were running out of excuses to defend his position as manager.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
The bolded bit...why the heck would we want a below par manager propped up by a brilliant number 2? This United we're talking about, a club with our history and resources should be targeting the best available for manager and coaching staff. It's such a mental situation that we're in that fans will put up with a mediocre manager simply cos he's an ex player - I don't understand it at all. What happened to 'no-one is bigger than the club'?
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This isn't Man Utd as we or others recognised it anymore. We will not win another PL title under the Glazers, I'm growing increasingly sure of that. It's too competitive in the modern game and is only going to become more so.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Except we've sacked three managers before him. We tried to go for quick success and it didn't work. We give a lot of power to the manager, and unlike Chelsea we don't sign players for the club but rather let the manager decide.
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Yes and we sacked the 3 previous managers because they weren’t good enough just like Ole isn’t good enough. That’s what proper clubs do, they hire a manager and if he delivers success he remains in the job if he doesn’t then he’s replaced with someone else who can. How many managers did we go through between Busby and Fergie? This idea that we’re not a sacking club and we do things differently is a myth and needs to disappear fast.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Yes and we sacked the 3 previous managers because they weren’t good enough just like Ole isn’t good enough. That’s what proper clubs do, they hire a manager and if he delivers success he remains in the job if he doesn’t then he’s replaced with someone else who can. How many managers did we go through between Busby and Fergie? This idea that we’re not a sacking club and we do things differently is a myth and needs to disappear fast.
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yeah i never understood the idea that you cant sack too many managers if they arent working out. Be like if we decided "welp this girlfriend i have right now is horrible, but i already broke up with 2 girls this year. Guess i gotta stick with this one for a decade or so." Insane
 
mu4c_20le said:
VdB sounds more like a third or fourth choice. There is nothing United about him
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Plenty of United about him when he was at Ajax. But clearly Ole wanted him even less than Jose wanted Fred.
 
Fortitude said:
For us, that's an alarming set of fixtures.

The odds of us coming back to the table with tactical insight or anything having fundamentally altered is next to nil, which means exhausted, frustrated and most probably, demoralised players by the time of the Arsenal game.

We had the chance to salvage the season; by the end of this run, the season could well be a complete write off... with the best squad we've had in over a decade.
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Why? If that's alarming then any set of fixtures will look alarming.

IMO it's more concerning if your in the Ole-Out camp because it's a fixture list I can entirely see him getting a half-decent run of results in.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's head to head in the CL groups isn't it? So if we lose 1-0 or by 2 goals to Villareal, we'll finish 3rd regardless of our result if Atalanta gets 2 wins.
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Your right. So we basically out if we lose and Villarreal lose against Atalanta.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Yes and we sacked the 3 previous managers because they weren’t good enough just like Ole isn’t good enough. That’s what proper clubs do, they hire a manager and if he delivers success he remains in the job if he doesn’t then he’s replaced with someone else who can. How many managers did we go through between Busby and Fergie? This idea that we’re not a sacking club and we do things differently is a myth and needs to disappear fast.
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By the time Ole is eventually sacked, he will be remembered as the worst of the 4 post Sir Alex in my opinion, not because of the 3rd and 2nd place finished but because of how bad this current situation is going to become. Keeping him at this stage is akin to putting a lamb to slaughter.

The transfer requests in January and the Summer will make for grim viewing for us fans, especially when we easily could have acted by now.
 
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