Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
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croadyman said:
What's the point when I'm utterly fuming whether that's offline or online
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He’s finished mate. The majority of the fans want him out, pundits and journalists are turning on him and it looks like he’s lost the dressing room.

He’s a dead man walking. It’s going to get extremely toxic if he’s still in charge for the Watford game and the blame for that will need to be laid at the feet of the incompetent board that are trying to stick a plaster/band aid over a severed artery.
 
justboy68 said:
Assuming that coaching list is true it's just an abomination. How did this happen? How does one of the biggest clubs in the world end up with a bunch of failed coaches? Beyond a joke.
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Solskjaer called them outstanding a few weeks back:lol:
 
Garethw said:
He’s finished mate. The majority of the fans want him out, pundits and journalists are turning on him and it looks like he’s lost the dressing room.

He’s a dead man walking. It’s going to get extremely toxic if he’s still in charge for the Watford game and the blame for that will need to be laid at the feet of the incompetent board that are trying to stick a plaster/band aid over a severed artery.
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He will still be in charge like you say due to those leeching yankee scumbags who haven't a clue what to do about this
 
Amir said:
Problem is, I have a difficulty judging coaches when it's clear the manager has no vision of the football he wants to play. Put McKenna under someone else, and maybe he can implement his style brilliantly.
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Not really about implementing his style, no one that young will ever have any sort of proper philosophy planned out for how to coach top level footballers.

But when Mourinho promoted him, that was fine. Okay Jose then had a meltdown, but McKenna was in a set up with more experienced coaches, and Mourinho also likes to be very involved in training sessions anyway, so it was still an education.

Now he's left solely responsible for training, with no one there to learn from or observe, and a clueless manager who is almost totally hands-off.
 
Anyone who doesn’t back the protest on Saturday sees Ole the player as bigger than the club. There is no way people expect anything to happen without some sort of push back. The club was built off the fans, no man is bigger than the club.

If I was in England I know I would be there.
 
justboy68 said:
Assuming that coaching list is true it's just an abomination. How did this happen? How does one of the biggest clubs in the world end up with a bunch of failed coaches? Beyond a joke.
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Because the coaches are a reflection of the manager. You have an absolute amateur in charge then the coaching staff will reflect that - no self-respecting elite coach will work under someone who's unfit to manage at the club.
 
3 years with more than 400 million, what do we fans get? no titles, no gameplay,nothing.. only disappointment and stressssssssss
 
Kaos said:
Because the coaches are a reflection of the manager. You have an absolute amateur in charge then the coaching staff will reflect that - no self-respecting elite coach will work under someone who's unfit to manage at the club.
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Yeah none of this lot have a prayer of getting a job at another PL club in my opinion
 
Buchan said:
Posted on it numerous times today and I still can’t fathom it. He has some pair of bollocks on him to go on holiday in the current circumstances, I’ll give him that. You’d nearly have to admire the brass neck on show.
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I imagine they’ve told him to go on holiday. Out of sight out of mind till it blows over. That’s what you generally do when something happens.
 
justboy68 said:
Assuming that coaching list is true it's just an abomination. How did this happen? How does one of the biggest clubs in the world end up with a bunch of failed coaches? Beyond a joke.
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Did you see that Athletic podcast on YouTube? The whole club is like this - Woodward, Judge, Arnold, the other dude, so that’s your CEOish, chief negotiator, probable new CEO, Technical director, manager, coaches, all learning on the job.
How in the f is that possible in any business, never mind the biggest global sports brand in the world? It’s just absolute dereliction of duty and makes zero business sense. Nothing they do makes sense because none of them are football people. That’s how they come to extend contracts just before firing people and how they would rather not fire someone and take the hit now than miss out on 4th and lose far more money. It’s mismanagement at the highest level. It sucks and it stinks and I’m so god damn tired of it and all the spin. They are absolute parasites.
 
we all love u ole homo and no homo but just step away before it gets bad . running out of the gaff with the lads at the final whistle 99 lets go . got to wilmslow road on the bus to town but fallowfeild rd was a mess . a clowd of reds walked up wilmsow road that night and met the rest of manchester reds in town , i was climbed up some building on deansgate as the buss went past when the lads got home and what a few days . on a rant but my point was plaz walk ole before we remember this shit rather than my rant .
 
bobglory said:
we all love u ole homo and no homo but just step away before it gets bad . running out of the gaff with the lads at the final whistle 99 lets go . got to wilmslow road on the bus to town but fallowfeild rd was a mess . a clowd of reds walked up wilmsow road that night and met the rest of manchester reds in town , i was climbed up some building on deansgate as the buss went past when the lads got home and what a few days . on a rant but my point was plaz walk ole before we remember this shit rather than my rant .
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sry you idiot dont post drunk
 
bobglory said:
we all love u ole homo and no homo but just step away before it gets bad . running out of the gaff with the lads at the final whistle 99 lets go . got to wilmslow road on the bus to town but fallowfeild rd was a mess . a clowd of reds walked up wilmsow road that night and met the rest of manchester reds in town , i was climbed up some building on deansgate as the buss went past when the lads got home and what a few days . on a rant but my point was plaz walk ole before we remember this shit rather than my rant .
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Reading that was quite the journey.
 
AussieDevil said:
Anyone who doesn’t back the protest on Saturday sees Ole the player as bigger than the club. There is no way people expect anything to happen without some sort of push back. The club was built off the fans, no man is bigger than the club.

If I was in England I know I would be there.
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Shared sentiment for me as well. After I have seen Barcelona fans pushing Koeman off the cliff, it is more than time for people to voice all of their anger against our own manager despite the fact that he is a symptom of a far bigger problem. Regardless, Ole is now standing against us by choosing to be a Glazers' employee rather than a man of Manchester United. That makes him an enemy to the wellbeing of the club, whether people like that term or not.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Shared sentiment for me as well. After I have seen Barcelona fans pushing Koeman off the cliff, it is more than time for people to voice all of their anger against our own manager despite the fact that he is a symptom of a far bigger problem. Regardless, Ole is now standing against us by choosing to be a Glazers' employee rather than a man of Manchester United. That makes him an enemy to the wellbeing of the club, whether people like that term or not.
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Koeman is more of a legend at Barca than Ole here and he got sacked when the results are untenable. These Ole inners can get the feck out of the club with him and support whatever team that might give him a next job ( a hint: he wont unless it is Norwegian NT). This cult of Ole is borderline creepy and cultish. Ole is their God and the one who is always right. Disgusting that they rather watch the club fall off the cliff with their supreme god in helm
 
Rolaholic said:
We were in an even better position last season leading the group comfortably before we ended up crashing out into Europa so it's always a possibility with this lot.

Maybe Ronaldo changes things this time with his unyielding determination in Europe but I wouldn't say we're in the clear at all
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We were in a better position last year but with much tougher final 2 matches than this time.

Villarreal are 12th in La Liga, let's not pretend they're some top team.
 
Jackal981 said:
Koeman is more of a legend at Barca than Ole here and he got sacked when the results are untenable. These Ole inners can get the feck out of the club with him and support whatever team that might give him a next job ( a hint: he wont unless it is Norwegian NT). This cult of Ole is borderline creepy and cultish. Ole is their God and the one who is always right. Disgusting that they rather watch the club fall off the cliff with their supreme god in helm
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I wouldn't go this far but I agree that the extent of the Ole love in by some fans is a bit weird. I don't even think Keane or Scholes or Neville or Giggs would have got this much leeway by the same set of fans if it had been one of them instead managing us right now.
 
Glazers are the reason we are suffering. We changed players and managers and now we have a team full of talents but without a brain. They still as always too late to make a move because every move to them means money, no ambitions and no dignity. That game against City was not acceptable to look like their training ground, If anyone really cares about the club that clueless man in charge would be gone even before this season starts. Supporters must be so loud in the next few days.
 
Reddi said:
3 years with more than 400 million, what do we fans get? no titles, no gameplay,nothing.. only disappointment and stressssssssss
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That's the joke of it all. When the Glazers finally decide to spend, they waste millions of dollars. That's what you get when you don't hire the best in their field to run that field. An experienced director of football could have build a better squad with half the money wasted over the years. And its just not the transfers, its the wages. Every player bar CR7, Varane and Fernandes is overpaid relative to their performances.
It's just a stupid way to run a business. Its beyond belief so called business people don't get the point of getting experienced DOF is to make sure the transfer funds are used properly so we are continually wasting millions.
 
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minoo-utd said:
They still as always too late to make a move because every move to them means money, no ambitions and no dignity.
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I'm not sure that's true. The commercial side has stagnated and they leave money on the table by hiring rubbish managers, not winning trophies, letting players value decline (due to the rubbish coaching). They also spend massively (on not very good players). It looks to me that it's just staggering, unbelievable incompetence. Can anyone on the board actually watch a game and see performances for what they are? It's unbelievable that someone could watch so many games for years and not be able to, but we know there are some people like that in real life. Woodward is obviously one of those and Joel seems to not have noticed that he gets it wrong time and again.
 
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The top Reds on social media are going on about "class" of United supporters, "United way", "Ole is legend so disrespecting him makes you a glory hunter" blah blah. What they don't realise is, this exact thing is something Glazers are taking advantage of, keeping club mediocre. The retort to this from top Reds is, they are not glory hunters and they will support club even if it falls outside football league. Well, we "glory hunters" don't want club to fall outside football league. We want club to remain one of the biggest and challenge for biggest trophies and if that means protesting to get rid of club legend, so be it. We will still love Ole the player and he will remain legend.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Shared sentiment for me as well. After I have seen Barcelona fans pushing Koeman off the cliff, it is more than time for people to voice all of their anger against our own manager despite the fact that he is a symptom of a far bigger problem. Regardless, Ole is now standing against us by choosing to be a Glazers' employee rather than a man of Manchester United. That makes him an enemy to the wellbeing of the club, whether people like that term or not.
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I want Solksjaer gone as much as the next man, but an enemy of the club? Ffs, wind your neck in. It’s getting preposterous. He should be sacked, and that’s on the club. If he really doesn’t believe he is good for the club anymore he should offer his resignation in return for his compensation agreement. No-one, I don’t care who you are, should put their job above their family. He is already well off, but this might be his last top job and the chance to secure his family’s future, include that of his children and his children’s children is a very real, real life consideration. It’s completely unreasonable, unrealistic and inhuman to expect someone to walk away from seven million just to make fans happy.

And maybe, just maybe he thinks he can still turn this around and believes in himself. The fact we as fans don’t, and all the evidence suggests we are right, won’t necessarily ever strip another person of their self belief; because so many pivotal figures have triumphed against the odds when no one thought they could.

So yes, Ole should be sacked. The club should be decisive. And ideally I’d want him to offer to resign in exchange for his walk away money. But all this talk about his being an enemy of the club. Jesus. Grow the feck up.
 
It seems that the board stance is to give Ole as many chances to sort it out as humanely possible. Thus if he fails against Watford then we'll give him the Villareal game, if he fails in that game then he must get a result against Chelsea and if he fails in that too then there's always the Arsenal, Crystal Palace and the Young boys game to get it right.
 
Cal? said:
We were in a better position last year but with much tougher final 2 matches than this time.

Villarreal are 12th in La Liga, let's not pretend they're some top team.
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Have you watched us this season? To have much confidence in us going to Villarreal and winning is impressive, hell even a draw will take some doing with how we’re currently looking.

I’m shocked we’re as high as 6th in the league really, our form is of a team much lowest.

We should beat Young Boys at home though. Should.
 
Judas said:
Have you watched us this season? To have much confidence in us going to Villarreal and winning is impressive, hell even a draw will take some doing with how we’re currently looking.

I’m shocked we’re as high as 6th in the league really, our form is of a team much lowest.

We should beat Young Boys at home though. Should.
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We'll just do what we've done all along, play with no shape and hope Ronaldo pulls it out the bag again, based on how much he hates the Europa League, he'll probably do it.
 
::sonny:: said:
All the pressing terribly wrong in timing
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Agree. Was that pressing? To me it was all a scam. Just to show that they may be pressing. The reason for pressing is to stop them passing the ball to a space that could be exploited. That means stopping those paths. Not running to the players as our players do. I do not think United was ever a pressing team. Not under SAF. I still remember Rooney's rooster act always. The funny way he used to go the opposition player who has the ball.
I am sure our coaches do not know the right way of pressing.
 
Cal? said:
We'll just do what we've done all along, play with no shape and hope Ronaldo pulls it out the bag again, based on how much he hates the Europa League, he'll probably do it.
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:lol: genuinely this is sadly far too accurate. The only reason we're surviving in the CL is the desire of the players, well desperation of the players to get out of the group.
 
This is actually worse than Jose now. At least we knew if Jose wanted to be at Old Trafford and fix things he had the know how and the ability to do so. With Ole it's hopeless, he's so out of his depth.

It's complete dereliction of duty on the boards part to allow this to carry on. Change now and we can crack on for top 4, take a crack at the later stages of the champions league and have a punt at the fa Cup.

If Ole stays I can see our top 4 challenge over by Christmas and struggle to get out of the group stage. Season finished in time for the turkey. Oh and set back about 3 years on our "rebuild". (We're not building an f'n house, we're trying to get one of the most expensive squads in world sport to play compitent football, that's should take a few weeks or months of coaching, not half a decade)
 
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