Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
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There are a multitude of fixtures in December through to mid January where anything other than a win will be a failure.

In my opinion now is the right time to make a change, targeting that run of fixtures as a real opportunity to turn our season around. Getting this squad organised and focussed should be any new managers primary objective and with our squad most of those games are winnable home and away - on paper.

If Solksjear is given the chance to manage United through that period, and fails like we probably all expect him to nowadays, he should never manage again.
 
pocco said:
I hope the pressure stays on. If they're hoping this all blows over by the time Ole gets back then they're going to get a rude awakening.
I woke up this morning and was instantly pissed off when I remembered everything from yesterday.
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Do you guys think any of the senior players would bother contacting the higher ups and directly saying that change is needed?
 
pocco said:
Bad times this. The wife thinks I've lost my marbles.

I really need to put United out of my mind for a bit. Somehow.
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I'm in a similar boat, tbh. I've not felt these kind of emotions since Jose was here actively sabotaging the club. I read around where people say they are numb or indifferent, but for me, every time I think about the situation as a whole, I get wound up. Constantly writing off seasons as we do, at a time when we genuinely have a squad that should be challenging for everything, is maddening.

Your post made me laugh because it reminds me of me tuning in and out, and when tuning back in, feeling that pit of emotion rising again like Groundhog Day.
 


Ole himself attacked the fans, he said the louder ones are not the good ones. The majority of the fans are now loud and wants him out.
 
Ralph1386 said:
Do you guys think any of the senior players would bother contacting the higher ups and directly saying that change is needed?
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I think only Ronaldo could force change, otherwise it'd have to be a mass mutiny, if you want to call it that.

I personally think Ronaldo will simply leave the club if this continues rather than put his foot in the mud and be a villain to some. He's giving us his all and fighting, whether for personal pride and standards, or for the club, he's leading by example, but I think that's where the buck will stop - the politics will be avoided and he'll just get out of the circus, and who could blame him?
 
Giggsyking said:


Ole himself attacked the fans, he said the louder ones are not the good ones. The majority of the fans are now loud and wants him out.
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He's not getting much abuse.

Bum, crap , fraud, crap manager, useless, shite, teacher, trash.

I'd say about a 3.5 /10 on the abuse scale.
 
Ralph1386 said:
Do you guys think any of the senior players would bother contacting the higher ups and directly saying that change is needed?
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I think Ronaldo did, and that is why Fergie met with him at Carrington. (The suit fitting event) Fergie doesn't just randomly pop by during training for a chat - he invites players and former players home for that. That was a business call - and to be fair to Ronaldo he's been smiling and not been overtly discontent with instructions since.
 
Going to Chelsea with Ole still in charge is like current day Conor Mcgregor going into a ring with Israel Adesanya. The board are just sending the lamds to the slaughter and I guarantee you, the worst thing is they won't hold it against him. He'll get 3 more games after that to get the team back on track.
 
Laurencio said:
I think Ronaldo did, and that is why Fergie met with him at Carrington. (The suit fitting event) Fergie doesn't just randomly pop by during training for a chat - he invites players and former players home for that. That was a business call - and to be fair to Ronaldo he's been smiling and not been overtly discontent with instructions since.
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He saw Ronaldo the day after that. Apparently it was a club event and Ole was also there.
 
Judas said:
I don't think it seems like that at all though? I get the frustrations, but I don't get this bollocks idea that if he isn't sacked during this international break he will last till the summer. He won't, we're too shit for that to happen. It goes against everything for him to keep us playing this poorly and see out the season.
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I mean we have been playing this poorly all season, yet his job is safer than most in the PL. Even if Pep had such a run, he would be closer to the sack than Ole is.

The problem is, teams dont have the quality to put us away and we have one moment of brilliance in a game to get a draw or nick a win.

Have you noticed how we dont score early goals? It's cause we are a reactive team, we play for 0-0 and wait till teams tire, that is cowardly tactics. If he isn't sacked now, I can see him until winter break at the minimum.
 
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Cheers for that Rob, very insightful. No such tweets for LVG or Mourinho though, because apparantely "loving the club" trumps everything else. Has he feck "put the club before everything else" though, what an absolute load of shite. We've given him the opportunity of a lifetime and made him an extremely rich man in the process, at what point was he putting the club before everything else? what the feck does that even mean?

Did LVG, Moyes and Mourinho not desperately want to see the club do well, does not every manager want to see the club they manage do well? once again Rob, what the feck does that even mean?

Ole is in a position of power, on at least 12 times the wage he was on at Molde, it'd have taken him almost 35 years to earn the same amount in his old job as his already earned in his time here. He knew full well that taking on this job puts him in the firing line.

Should any manager or player suffer personal verbal attacks online? No of course not, you should attack the inability to do the job. No-one deserves personal abuse, not Ole, not Mourinho, not LVG, but it's happened for all of them so why wasn't Rob demanding the same for them? We can't stop racist fecks using twitter and insta, and that's way more important than a few people calling Ole a muppet or clueless.
 
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Ole himself attacked the fans, he said the louder ones are not the good ones. The majority of the fans are now loud and wants him out.
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I mean the fans don't deserve the battering either but Ole doesnt seem to care about that.

Bottom line is, he is not good enough, he doesn't see he isnt good enough. If you love the club and want it to do well, you would walk after getting battered by Liverpool and City.

I don't condone personal attacks, but attacking his management is completely justified IMO. He cannot spend 500m in players and not compete against the better teams. We barely just compete against any team at the moment.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Cheers for that Rob, very insightful. No such tweets for LVG or Mourinho though, because apparantely "loving the club" trumps everything else.

Ole is in a position of power, on at least 12 times the wage he was on at Molde, it'd have taken him almost 35 years to earn the same amount in his old job as his earned here. He knew full well that taking on this job puts him in the firing line.

Should any manager or player suffer personal verbal attacks online? No of course not, you should attack the inability to do the job. No-one deserves personal abuse, not Ole, not Mourinho, not LVG, but it's happened for all of them so why wasn't Rob demanding the same for them?
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Do you really need an explanation as to why Ole Gunna Solskjaer should be treated a little differently by United fans than Van Gaal or Mourinho?
 


I loved Ole as a player but he is a shit manager. As Harry Truman said, 'If you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen'.
He should leave if he really loves the club, but money talks.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Do you really need an explanation as to why Ole Gunna Solskjaer should be treated a little differently by United fans than Van Gaal or Mourinho?
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I need an exaplanation as to how Ole has "put the club before everything else".

And no, I don't think fans should be utter cnuts online to Rashford, Sancho, LVG but not to Ole because he's a club legend. I think people should remain personally respectful to all of them and attack their ineptitude if they so wish.
 
Orton said:
He loves the £££ too that’s why he hasn’t walked.
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I wish people would stop using this as a stick to beat him. It's unreasonable to expect anyone to walk away from the kind of payoff Ole is due in the event of his sacking. You wouldn't do it and neither would any other sane person.

Ole may not be the right guy moving forward, but I have absolutely no doubt that he put everything he had into making this work. Not like Jose, who was actively sabotaging the club so he could pick up the payoff money.

If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than the board and their inability to act when necessary. They are responsible for hiring Ole, so it's on them to fire him.

Ole is just doing his job to the best of his ability. The board cannot say the same.
 
I'm starting to believe that the media saying these things is just to prepare us for keeping Ole for the long haul. No way they all just start coming out and saying this.
 
Random Task said:
I wish people would stop using this as a stick to beat him. It's unreasonable to expect anyone to walk away from the kind of payoff Ole is due in the event of his sacking. You wouldn't do it and neither would any other sane person.

Ole may not be the right guy moving forward, but I have absolutely no doubt that he put everything he had into making this work. Not like Jose, who was actively sabotaging the club so he could pick up the payoff money.

If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than the board and their inability to act when necessary. The board is responsible for hiring Ole, so it's on them to fire him.

Ole is just doing his job to the best of his ability. The board cannot say the same.
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Well said, nail on head.
 
hellhunter said:
Not a hard concept to grasp, is it?
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I find it hard to grasp that we should be cnuts to some people who desperately wanted to succeed here, but kinder to others. Yes. That's just me though, I wanted rid of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho, but I'd never go online calling them all the names under the sun, nor would I do so to Rashford, McTominay or Fred. You should always be a decent person and attack ineptitude, and not the person, no matter the person. Everyone has tried their best here.

I find it hard to grasp that apparently Ole has put the club before everything else, whereas Moyes and LVG didn't.

None of it makes any sense. It's written as though Ole is doing the club one massive favour and sacrificing so much, whereas he's the least qualified of all the post-SAF managers and the only one you could truly say the club has done more for him and his future in the past 3 years than vice versa.
 
King Kendrick said:
I'm starting to believe that the media saying these things is just to prepare us for keeping Ole for the long haul. No way they all just start coming out and saying this.
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I think the media realised that putting ManUtd in the headline would generate clicks, especially given how bad we all felt after Liverpool, and are doing their utmost to capitalise on it.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I need an exaplanation as to how Ole has "put the club before everything else".

And no, I don't think fans should be utter cnuts online to Rashford, Sancho, LVG but not to Ole because he's a club legend. I think people should remain personally respectful to all of them and attack their ineptitude if they so wish.
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Personally, I don’t think fans should be utter cnuts to anyone. It’s just childish. The fact remains that Ole’s relationship with the fans and the club is obviously different to the relationship of Van Gaal/Mourinho. So I don’t see why anyone would get their knickers in a twist when this is pointed out.
 
Laurencio said:
I think the media realised that putting ManUtd in the headline would generate clicks, especially given how bad we all felt after Liverpool, and are doing their utmost to capitalise on it.
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Sorry but that's the cart leading the horse: the club are giving the media all the ammo they need to fire round after round at us. They'd not be doing their job to fail to cease on these opportunities. We've made ourselves an easy, running target that any medium that can, is profiteering off of, and so they should.

Run like a proper club, and most of this dies down, plus the power command, the media go back under the thumb.
 
I'm still confused about the whole holiday thing, a week off for the players and manager ? what ? Juventus got their squad sleeping in their training ground.
 
I still believe that Ole has done the job he was brought in to do, and given his very limited experience has actually over achieved. He has just reached his limit and can’t take us further, there is no hiding place at this level, it’s brutal. Time to hand over the reigns and move on. But don’t ever forget , the final lineup chosen by Jose that Ole inherited was :
De Gea
Darmian Smalling Lindelof Young
Dalot Herrera Matic Rashford
Lingard Lukaku.
Fellaini and Martial came on as subs.

Look at the squad we have now. No, he doesn’t have the skills or experience to begin to set our styles of play like City or Liverpool and never will, but Ole has left us in a much better position than we were before he started the job.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Personally, I don’t think fans should be utter cnuts to anyone. It’s just childish. The fact remains that Ole’s relationship with the fans and the club is obviously different to the relationship of Van Gaal/Mourinho. So I don’t see why anyone would get their knickers in a twist when this is pointed out.
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My knickers are in a twist because the bolded is a given, just as it is when people are racist cnuts online.

But the rest of the tweet spends time making out Ole should avoid this abuse (rather than everyone should, because everyone is doing their best) because he's somehow sacrificed more than Moyes or LvG, or that he someone wants the club to succeed more than they did.
 
Giggsyking said:


Ole himself attacked the fans, he said the louder ones are not the good ones. The majority of the fans are now loud and wants him out.
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This is pure hyperbole, he’s hardly getting pelters from every angle. He’s being called out for not being good enough and rightly so. Also if he truly puts the club before himself then he’ll do the right thing and walk away as him remaining as manager is harming the club as this stage.
 
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