Ole Sack Watch

[ti vu]

So say we lose to Watford and that is enough for the board to decide to make a change? With games against Villareal and Chelsea no less straight after, they're hardly building a platform for a new man to hit the ground running.

Football planning is a foreign concept for Woodward and the Glazers. If they're all proactive and not reactive, at the very least, they wouldn't have renewed Ole and Phelan as the latest. That's before mentioning the trail of failure created by their reactive approach.

New manager swim or sink situation is less of concern right now. Stopping the rot of current management and hopefully getting a good manager is what matters the most.

 

[::sonny::]

He is like a politician

 

[Andycoleno9]

Nah. Look at David Moyes, currently has West Ham sitting at number 3. Despite the horrible season we are having, I still rate Ole higher than Moyes. Neither is good enough for United and struggle with tactics.

You rate Ole higher than Moyes? Wow.
Moyes wasn't good enough for us but Moyes is few levels above Ole in terms of quality

 

[Judas]

He is like a politician

How many times are you going to go into different threads and post tweets from many many hours ago?

 

[Ayoba]

I guess this isnt happening then

 

[Fortitude]

The standard for Manchester United these days is beating Watford.

Yes, what is this rubbish about Watford? We lose and that's it! But if we win everything is all good and well?

What a load of tosh.

 

[hobbers]

All the people who were angry at Ole being labelled the Glazers/Woodward's stooge during the many previous crises in the last 2 years. Well, here you go. He is their stooge, their shield from flak, their stick to keep the fans at bay with.

This is why Woodward stuck with Ole over Poch and Tuchel and Conte and whoever else.

 

[Flytan]

Obviously not. There are few choices available. Ole has done fine up til now. Small steps in the right direction. He has been up against the wall before, and has come out stronger. Belittling him dose not change that. We have started building a squad, and need to continue in the same philosophy. Our under 23’s is packet with talent, and we are close to a competitive 11. We can’t hire “Conte”, or anyone else who will take us back. We need to continue. Either Ole salvage the bad start, or we go with a manger who can build on our formation. Haag, or Zidane with his 4-3-3 is obviously our best choice. But will they come now?
short term, and long term. If they won’t, our best option until Christmas is actually Ole. Whether you like it or not.

If he's lost the players there's literally no way that's true. It's hard to replace a while team of players compared to just one manager (and ole has shown he doesn't trust youth). If we are going to use our first team to try to not have a disastrous season the only choice is to replace the manager.

Being inept and not planning for contingencies is not an excuse to keep being inept. Remove the issue first and literally hire anyone to replace him

 

[wolvored]

Also from the stream with Whitwell - he genuinely believes there are no conversations with other managers to a serious degree. It is not how they tend to do things. Mourinho and Ole were only seriously spoken to after the sackings.

United were never seriously in for Conte he says.

So in hours they sacked vg and bought Mourinho in, this is after he claimed he had been scouting players for us since the January. Someone's telling porkies

 

[VP89]

It's not the Glazers he has a bond with, it's Woodward and Arnold.

Im just quoting what he said.

 

[steffyr2]

I'm watching now and the message seems to be that they don't know what direction they'd go in if Ole was sacked so they are just going to hoping Ole can ride this storm.

Isn't that the job of John Murtaugh and Darren Fletcher, to show the risk/benefits of different paths forward?

 

[Rash Decision]

Imagine how monumentally thick it would be to keep Ole in charge over an international break, while he slinks off on holiday, and then sack him after losing to Watford with a CL game 2 days later.

Just imagine.

Yeah? That's what's going to happen.

Then of course, they wouldn’t be able to sack Solskjaer because the replacement won’t have time to get up to speed. So Solskjaer gets another few more games to “turn things around”. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Pearl.Jam]

That to me is a positive tidbit from the article. Custis has been covering us for years and I believe him if he says the mood at the club is as such.

Fat man to the rescue

 

[Kearnkoff69]

This is the answer. The board will not give up decision making power over football matters and so we are stuck shopping in a lower tier of manager because of it.

 

[Canucantona20]

Saw Ole and his family pictured going on holiday at the airport before, there were a lot of bags for someone going on a short holiday...

Grasping at straws but I’ll take it

 

[Robbie Boy]

Easy home games? Just like Aston Villa and Everton were easy home games? It's as if this board is only thinking about Liverpool and Man City results. The West Ham Cup result? Young Boys result? Leicester result? Villa result? Everton, Villareal performances, amongst a whole others, Wolves for example should have been 3-0 up before we scored.

'Easier' - but I don't expect feck all from them. I think he'll be gone by mid-to-late December.

 

[saivet]

Obviously not. There are few choices available. Ole has done fine up til now. Small steps in the right direction. He has been up against the wall before, and has come out stronger. Belittling him doesn’t change that. We have started building a squad, and need to continue in the same philosophy. Our under 23’s is packet with talent, and we are close to a competitive 11. We can’t hire “Conte”, or anyone else who will take us back. We need to continue. Either Ole salvage the bad start, or we go with a manger who can build on our formation. Haag, or Zidane with his 4-3-3 is obviously our best choice. But will they come now?
short term, and long term. If they won’t, our best option until Christmas is actually Ole. Whether you like it or not.

You do know, we can appoint an interim before deciding on a long term manager. Ole literally came in with that role. We weren't the first to do this and won't be the last to appoint an interim, even if it's not ideal but clearly keeping Ole in charge is not optimal either.

 

[Rash Decision]

This is the answer. The board will not give up decision making power over football matters and so we are stuck shopping in a lower tier of manager because of it.

In theory this is why we have the football people in place, to ensure that a change in manager doesn’t result in a complete change in direction or that a single manager cannot tear the whole house down. But of course the questions are whether the football people we have are competent, and whether they have actual decision-making authority.

 

[Mainoldo]

This is the answer. The board will not give up decision making power over football matters and so we are stuck shopping in a lower tier of manager because of it.

So Richard Arnold our new manager in December? What type of nonsense is this.

 

[Adnan]

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The issue is Dortmund has the structure in place for a long time, defined by going through trial and error. They're in position where they can afford to do that. On the other hands, we just have everything rolled out in one go. A pool of experienced personnels doesn't equate to a well oiled system/ team, let alone a newly assembled team still working under decision maker made up of money men.

Being groomed would imply someone with experience and the know how is watching over and mentoring. Who is it at our club doing this mentor role?


AKA the perfect yes man

Of course they can afford to do that because the job isn't difficult. Fletcher's role is to sell the club to prospective new recruits from the first team all the way down to the most promising youth players and their parents. We also have a structure in place with vast experience supporting him from Marcel Bout, Henny de Regt, Jim Lawlor, Mick Court etc who have vast experience either under our most successful manager Fergie or at Ajax and Bayern. And Fletcher thus far has done fine unless you can provide evidence of his inexperience affecting whilst doing his job which I've described above.

 

[Flytan]

This is the answer. The board will not give up decision making power over football matters and so we are stuck shopping in a lower tier of manager because of it.

I don't understand why they want to be in charge of footballing matters so much. It'd clear they suck at it, why not just hire competent people to do it and take whatever money it costs to do so away from the transfer budget. Surely being run efficiently is worth it

 

[Canucantona20]

He’s not getting sacked. If we lost the Atlanta game he would’ve but since we lead the group he stays.

 

[Kearnkoff69]

In theory this is why we have the football people in place, to ensure that a change in manager doesn’t result in a complete change in direction or that a single manager cannot tear the whole house down. But of course the questions are whether the football people we have are competent, and whether they have actual decision-making authority.

Yeah agreed. It's the bolded part that worries me. I have yet to see many tangible illustrations of real decision making from the football people at the club.

 

[Cal?]

Ronaldo had maybe our best team of all time, Pogba for the majority of his time here has had our worst squad for the last 30 years. Ronaldo's been here for 2 months now and there's already reports of him wanting to go in the summer.

But for Ronaldo it's standards, for Pogba it's he's a snake.

Personally I think both are wrong, I'm just showing you the double standards.

Ronaldo when he left got us a world record fee (even though it was still bargain of the century), Pogba left us on a free, cost us a world record fee, and is about to leave on a free again.

 

[Everyoneout]

I'm watching now and the message seems to be that they don't know what direction they'd go in if Ole was sacked so they are just going to hoping Ole can ride this storm.

So they literally have no plan - truly clueless or they just don't care. There are plenty of people on here who could come up with reasonable suggestions as to which direction to take. Why can't they?

 

[Rightnr]

Not sure I can stomach watching us in the PL until he's sacked. In the CL, Ronaldo will drag them out of trouble but we're in for a proper meltdown if our 50-year-old novice manager stays in role.

 

[Idxomer]

All the people who were angry at Ole being labelled the Glazers/Woodward's stooge during the many previous crises in the last 2 years. Well, here you go. He is their stooge, their shield from flak, their stick to keep the fans at bay with.

This is why Woodward stuck with Ole over Poch and Tuchel and Conte and whoever else.

It's the Glazers and Woodward's greatest move.

 

[the_cliff]

Ronaldo when he left got us a world record fee (even though it was still bargain of the century), Pogba left us on a free, cost us a world record fee, and is about to leave on a free again.

Yes he did, whoever is in charge of our transfers didn't sell Pogba, when it's been clear for some time he should be sold. That isn't the fault of Pogba but of the club. Even Jesse's probably leaving on a free and I'm sure he cares more about the club than both of them, he's only been here since he was 7.

 

[NewUser777]

If he's lost the players there's literally no way that's true. It's hard to replace a while team of players compared to just one manager (and ole has shown he doesn't trust youth). If we are going to use our first team to try to not have a disastrous season the only choice is to replace the manager.

Being inept and not planning for contingencies is not an excuse to keep being inept. Remove the issue first and literally hire anyone to replace him

Mate, if Ole had lost the players he would be gone by now. He isn’t. And there isn’t a single reliable quote out there he has. It’s all wishful thinking and selfishly agenda and opinions. They are not playing for him, that I will agree on. As to why, we don’t know. They are not preforming for the club or fan’s either.
Be critical, by all means! But stop making shit up, or hang our failings on Sancho or DVB not playing. That’s another thing. Neither of them have been tearing things up, but is the thickest of sticks to beat Ole with, because they are a “unknown”. Latest, Bailly playing like there was no tomorrow, but is totally shot the next game. I’m fine with people wanting Ole out. But stop with the cognitive dissonance! It’s making us look like idiots!

 

[red_de_pologne]

I don't understand why they want to be in charge of footballing matters so much. It'd clear they suck at it, why not just hire competent people to do it and take whatever money it costs to do so away from the transfer budget. Surely being run efficiently is worth it

Exactly, why not let professionals do the job, it'll make them more money than have amateurs dabble with it

 

[Godfather]

How can he continue when the players have lost faith in him? Delaying the inevitable here

Thought our last three games were his last chance? We are a joke and obviously have no idea what to do which is why the fans are put off with this nonsense game after game after game.
Never has the incompetence of this club and it's hoard been revealed as clearly as in the last couple of weeks.

 

[hobbers]

It's the Glazers and Woodward's greatest move.

It would have been if Ole was at least a competent enough manager to keep the club in the top four.

 

[Pearl.Jam]

C’mon Tinkerman…do what needs to be done and put us (mostly) all out of our misery

 

[Di Maria's angel]

So he's their pet.

Licking their arse is all that matters not winning at football.

I said it when he was permanently appointed - he's a yes man.

 

[I Am Zlatan]

This is depressing, is United making me depressed? YES!

In all seriousness though, I think not sacking Ole is going to do more damage than Moyes did. We need to drive these parasites out of our club, I don’t care how much they spent, and what their intentions are, they do not know how to run the club and that’s it. They need to go!

also at this point, it’s a slap to the face of the supports, it’s a clear message that our opinion doesn’t matter.

 

[hobbers]

Woodward and Arnold clearly think Ole can ride out the next 3 games with them all being away from home. Avoid defeat at Watford and Villarreal easy enough on paper. Lose to Chelsea, but they're Chelsea so that's acceptable in their view. Then from early December we have a very favourable run of fixtures (favourable under a competent manager, not under Ole, as we'll find out).

 

[Rash Decision]

Hopeless situation. I think I’m out until the club wakes up.

 

[Godfather]

I can't even blame Ole at this point anymore. He is obviously overwhelmed with the job at hand and should have been replaced long time ago. This is all on the board now. Clueless fecks and the one who has to suffer his Ole and his legacy here

 

[the_cliff]

Woodward and Arnold clearly think Ole can ride out the next 3 games with them all being away from home. Avoid defeat at Watford and Villarreal easy enough on paper. Lose to Chelsea, but they're Chelsea so that's acceptable in their view. Then from early December we have a very favourable run of fixtures (favourable under a competent manager, not under Ole, as we'll find out).

Yeah, we have a lot of favourable fixtures at home after that. The only problem is we haven't kept a clean sheet at home in the league since March.

 

[USREDEVIL]

How long is Ole's retreat supposed to be?