Think he will be sacked. Maybe the Board had given themselves time to identify the next steps (new permanent manager now or a caretaker now with a new permanent manager next season). So the international break has given them the perfect opportunity to let him go and bring in someone new to salvage whatever can be of this season. At least, that's what I am hoping as it's the only logical conclusion I can think of as to why we haven't sacked him yet.
Ole Sack Watch
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Which City didn't want to do. I almost think they were under orders not to make the scoreline look too bad in case Ole was sacked
Farke off!
The Norwich sacking was already decided before the game. No way would they have sacked him hours after this first win of the season otherwise.
I’ll be surprised if he’s sacked anytime soon. If Conte was still available possibly but I can’t see United paying a fee to get a manager now and I don’t see why Poch or Haag would leave their clubs now. Maybe you could persuade Rodgers and generally I think he’s a decent coach but I’m not sure he is the best fit for United.
Same with Zidane, not overly convinced he is actually that great of a manager.
Same with Zidane, not overly convinced he is actually that great of a manager.
Even Michael Oliver who hates United was on it when he didn't give them the penalty.
Which should have been the same for United. We should have Ole sacking planned already regardless of the results, but guess what, it's United.
I think he will get the sack this week. Maybe we were waiting for the international break.
Can't wait for his sacking. Each game under Ole just makes it harder for his successor to salvage the season. Board needs to put him out of his memory ASAP.
I wish the man the best, he's a legend. He tried and failed, there's no shame in that.
I wish the man the best, he's a legend. He tried and failed, there's no shame in that.
Like the Glazers would know a tactical improvement
He will be here until Top4 gone. That is how we work, also because they will not have a fecking clue who to go for.
The way the press have turned in the last 4 weeks is indicative I hope. Feels like everyone bar Neville is on board with Ole out.
Some stuff popping up on ESPN in the US too - again might grab the attention of the decision makers (Ogden's latest piece).
There's some logic to not sacking Ole until you have time to line up a replacement. But it's been a month now and surely inquiries have been made and so forth.
Absolute worst case, sack him and let just about anyone be caretaker - we'll get a bump from that at the very least. This can't continue.
Tuchel, Poch, Conte, Nagelsman...lots of options we've now missed out on.
Some stuff popping up on ESPN in the US too - again might grab the attention of the decision makers (Ogden's latest piece).
There's some logic to not sacking Ole until you have time to line up a replacement. But it's been a month now and surely inquiries have been made and so forth.
Absolute worst case, sack him and let just about anyone be caretaker - we'll get a bump from that at the very least. This can't continue.
Tuchel, Poch, Conte, Nagelsman...lots of options we've now missed out on.
I tend to agree actually
But I would argue that the performance today was equal or worse. City held back a lot
You can't justify keeping him on after yet another apologetic display. After the Liverpool horror show I reluctantly gave him three games to turn things around but he has only beaten a lacklustre Spurs side and watched us be outplayed by Atalanta and then, predictably, Manchester City. Guardiola approached the game like a bread and butter league match and they were on cruise control due to the gulf in class.
At this point, keeping Ole smacks of the club endorsing the mediocrity that he has established, which with every loss is becoming engrained in the players. We are a million miles from competing at the business end of the table and even sneaking fourth place now looks somewhat fanciful, even though it ought to be up for grabs. You just look at the body language of the players and they look dejected rather than anxious to put things right. They were beaten from the second they stepped out onto the pitch.
Someone with new ideas needs to come in and they need to sell their vision for the club to the board. Ole's tenure has to be cut short for the good of the MUFC.
At this point, keeping Ole smacks of the club endorsing the mediocrity that he has established, which with every loss is becoming engrained in the players. We are a million miles from competing at the business end of the table and even sneaking fourth place now looks somewhat fanciful, even though it ought to be up for grabs. You just look at the body language of the players and they look dejected rather than anxious to put things right. They were beaten from the second they stepped out onto the pitch.
Someone with new ideas needs to come in and they need to sell their vision for the club to the board. Ole's tenure has to be cut short for the good of the MUFC.
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He needs to go now. It's got to the point where you press the button and then get the best caretaker possible. Keeping him here is making us a laughing stock and this isn't going to turn any better.
A joke he is still here.
We got three years of service out of a relative novice and it had its good moments, like the wins over city, comeback in Paris, beating Liverpool in the cup and at least two ass whoppings of Leeds plus a 9-0 win against Southampton, the record setting unbeaten away run etc. He came into it when the squad was destitute and if he left now, he’ll be leaving it in a much better shape with two deep in every position. There’s no shame in going, he gets a well deserved pay out and a gold watch on top of it.
To be fair this game was probably worse than the Liverpool one in terms of performance.
If City had an actual striker they would have won 5-0.
We didn't create anything and they were playing with us in the second half.
If one win against a shit Spurs team and underserved draw against Atalanta is prove Ole deserves to keep his job it's just not good enough.
If we can't raise our game against rivals we will be in the bottom half of the table next month with Ole in charge because the players will just no longer care against the "lesser" teams.
We'll find out around 10-11pm when the Sunday papers post their stories.
I thought he'd be gone for certain but the lack of information is now making me skeptical.
I thought he'd be gone for certain but the lack of information is now making me skeptical.
Well that changes everything then. Sack Tuchel, the blond fraud.
He has to go now to save this season. Surely we wont risk the Champions league spot. Go all out and get Ten Hag - I don’t buy this bullshit about him not being available until the end of the season.
The testament to Ole having reached his ceiling is that there are no new ideas coming. It was so predicable that we will lose today that I never got excited about the game.
It played out exactly as it was expected. Defensive error, schoolboy defending from Maguire - concede a goal and then huff and puff for the rest of the game showing attitude and desire. If luck has it then we may nick a goal (didn't happen).
Hear players and Ole say how disappointed we are with the performance. Talk about doing better all week on twitter. Serve up the same stuff next weekend.
It played out exactly as it was expected. Defensive error, schoolboy defending from Maguire - concede a goal and then huff and puff for the rest of the game showing attitude and desire. If luck has it then we may nick a goal (didn't happen).
Hear players and Ole say how disappointed we are with the performance. Talk about doing better all week on twitter. Serve up the same stuff next weekend.
the fact that the high points are a few victories and not trophies tells you everything you need to know about his time at the club and how far we have fallen. We are accepting standards slipping with every game Ole is still in charge. We need to move on from this experiment and get back to actually having the right mentality at the club.
Put Ronaldo in the opposite shirt and he probably gets a hat trick today in a 5/6-nil thumping.
Who's giving them advice? I presume the people at the club and that means Fergie - who will push for more time, and Woodward and Arnold who will follow suit. In the corporate world, they would employ a headhunter to find the best man for the job, or at least a consultant or two to analyze the situation thoroughly: people from outside the club who have no vested interest. We say that as long as we get top 4, then the Glazers are happy, because that's their business model but I don't know. They can't isolate themselves from the opinions of the fans, the press, and TV pundits can they?
Personally, I would approach PSG and speak to Poch. he knows the English game, advocates attacking, attractive football, and although he hasn't much by way of pots, I think he'd be a great fit. Rumour is that he is less than happy in Paris and ZZ is on their radar. Either way, United must move on. If a few suits lose face, so what?
No they let their egos. No way special Ed wants to look even more stupid by firing yet another manager after giving him an extension, so he’s sticking until he’s absolutely forced. Meanwhile Levy was totally fine looking like a dick for hiring someone and firing them after a few months.
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There are no news whether we are backing him or looking to sack? Is the scoreline going to save him this time?
It's really not. Liverpool are more clinical, but they obviously took their foot off the gas in the second half. City are suffering from a lack of striker though, don't think they're winningt he league this season with that dreadful finishing.
If city would have wanted to score 5 in the second half they probably could’ve. They just preferred not to risk it.
I wouldn't want to be managing PSG either to be honest.
Yes. 0-2 will be seen as a step forward to the right direction after the 0-5 against Liverpool (although we were lucky today). Add the legendary draw against the mighty Atalanta which I think makes Ole safe for the foreseeable feature.
Wait until Pogba rocks up there.
Hoping our club will act over the international break is beyond wishful thinking I'm afraid.
Liverpool actually gave us a few more chances, but are a lot more high energy.
I wonder if City will even wake up tired tomorrow after that cruise.
Could see that happening.
It was a worry to see Neville still not thinking a change in manager might be around the corner.
There's plenty of decent interims around if our primary target isn't immediately available 'till the summer.
Look at it from a career planning perspective. He's on his way to win another double and make a good CL run. It's a risk for him and his reputation to hop on board now.
He's never managed in England or the PL or come in mid season in a high pressure job. Why would he not take the trophies and the plaudits for a good showing in the CL, so he can weigh his options in the summer when he has a full pre season and a summer transfer window at a variety of clubs?
There's no confirmation that he isn't available. Our board just hasn't shown any interest and it's rumoured it's because of his lack of PL experience.
If the form of first 11 games is sustained throughout the rest of the season we’d be on course for 58 points. Last season that would have lead us to 11th
Sure, it was slim margins too and with one saved penalty, he could have won a European cup, albeit the lesser one. The point is, he did the less glamorous work that was necessary but the players have really just gotten over the fact that he cannot give them anything new at this stage. We were always going to hit the ceiling of Solskjær as a manager.
Has he gone yet?
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