I like the optimism but I don’t think this is close to being the case. The club had no contingency plan and would rather keep Ole as they don’t really know what they want to do.
Ole Sack Watch
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If that happens both teams are in trouble. Difference is that City have shown they can turn it around from that situation, as last year when they won 13 on the trot. Don’t see us being able to put that kind of run together, or at least, we’ve never done anything like that before.
That change vote should be locked. Why would you want to change you vote after voting already? Yellow belly is all it is. The cult is creeping back in and the sad thing is, they know deep down that he is not up to the job and never will be. So to save face they think by swapping votes Ole will magically become their saviour and bring them all the glory. Delusional. Every time I see Ole I see that game against Pool. He is Tainted now and that's how I will see him from now on.
People haven't been changing their votes over one game, not many at least.
I took a screenshot of the poll for a mate that's not on caf right around the start of the game.
It had 2456 votes for out, now it's 2459, so 3 more have voted out since the game.
It was at 382 votes for give him more time, now 404. So 22 more.
In total 25 new voters since the game, the majority supportive of Ole.
Which makes sense since it's after a win, and many of those who still believe in him will avoid the forum entirely, or at least certain threads, after a poor result due to not wanting to wade through negativity.
Maybe one or two changed their vote, but in total there's more votes for out now than before the game.
I still think he should go. He's just not a man utd level manager.
If he has a good week this week, he'll buy himself at least another two months.
He's here until end of the season I think. Clearly we're not interested in Conte, I think we're waiting for Poch or ten Hag.
Fair enough, but why is there a change vote? It's pointless.
I can see your point,but I am hoping that after signing top players last summer,maybe the expectations of the owners have also increased.Or maybe if supporters start turning against Ole towards the end of the season,then atleast the owners will be forced to sign a better manager next summer…
I don’t think there’s that much “dressing room unrest” to be honest.Just look at how we played last night…I actually can’t see us imploding spectacularly over the next few months.I reckon we will finish 4th without challenging for the title.Unlike LVG,Moyes or Jose,I can see Ole retaining the support of the players…He will continue to keep us in the top 4,without taking us any further…A bit like Wenger towards the end of his arsenal reign.Either way I think we need to sign a better manager next summer…
It's possible the media have overblown it this week, but I've never seen a dressing room circus like it before in my life.
It's the specificity of the stories this week and the fact they've come from every single media source - Ronaldo pleaing with the players not to down tools, players questioning Maguire's captaincy, Bailly sulking over unfit players being selected ahead of him, players unhappy with lack of playing time, players thinking the coaching sessions are poor, players thinking the manager's tactics are the reason we're conceding so many chances.
Teams can always pull out results over the course of the season even when the manager has lost the faith of the players, we're obviously not going to lose every game for the rest of the season. We pulled out plenty of good results under Moyes/LVG/Mourinho and it was only after they were sacked we found out the players couldn't wait to see the back of them.
Woke up this morning happy that we won, great performance. Still extremely very much in the it's time to go camp.
Imagine what would Conte achieve with this squad. Too bad we let Ole “turn a corner”, now I think we’re stuck with him forever.
Heard he's going to finally get his way and change the name of the club to Ole FC too
He's been allowed to turn so many corners over the past 3 years he's pretty much going in circles.
Sign of a good manager is getting the best out of his squad - making them perform as more than the sum of their parts - and, in a club with the resources of ours, winning stuff. Absolutely laughable that just because Ole changed the system out of desperation, and got a result against a very poor side, that you think it is something to gloat about.
You certainly was not.
Me and plenty others were thinking it was a joke that he became interim at all.
We all know yesterday was a wallpaper job good as it was. I believe Brendan Rodgers is in the frame. If true, would we take to an ex-Liverpool manager or should we just let him get on with it. He seems to have an eye for talent and how to use it.
This is the circle of life under Ole to be fair. He's been on the verge of being sacked so many times and come through it. I still feel he won't survive this time for too much longer though.
Let him go out on a high with wins vs Atalanta and City and then let him go in the international break because we all know this isn't sustainable.
Gives the board some time to make a decision.
He's a club legend, there are players there that have pertained to him being tactically incompetent so don't let the situation get even more toxic. Let him leave on a sweet note. He'll be appreciated for the rebuild job he's done. Don't let it end on a sour note.
Gives the board some time to make a decision.
He's a club legend, there are players there that have pertained to him being tactically incompetent so don't let the situation get even more toxic. Let him leave on a sweet note. He'll be appreciated for the rebuild job he's done. Don't let it end on a sour note.
I’d sack him now. Let Ole leave on a high with a 3-0 win to Spurs.
I think the best thing at this point is to put this thread on ignore for a while.
It’s becoming clear to me that the club intends to keep Ole till the end of the season. If one point in 4 games, 3 of which at home, in which you concede 11 goals and score 3, and that culminates with a humiliating 0-5 loss at home by your biggest rivals doesn’t get you sacked at a club with our size, resources, and expectations, nothing will. That run came with crashing out of the cup and with very unconvincing displays in the CL against poor sides.
I’ve modified my expectations for the season in line with the fact that he’s here till the end of the season. We need to make sure to get Top 4, and hopefully by season end we will have bedded in Sancho. That’s all I’m expecting from this season at this point.
It’s becoming clear to me that the club intends to keep Ole till the end of the season. If one point in 4 games, 3 of which at home, in which you concede 11 goals and score 3, and that culminates with a humiliating 0-5 loss at home by your biggest rivals doesn’t get you sacked at a club with our size, resources, and expectations, nothing will. That run came with crashing out of the cup and with very unconvincing displays in the CL against poor sides.
I’ve modified my expectations for the season in line with the fact that he’s here till the end of the season. We need to make sure to get Top 4, and hopefully by season end we will have bedded in Sancho. That’s all I’m expecting from this season at this point.
Vicious cycle more like. I think Pep will finally find Ole out next weekend and we’ll get a bit of a hiding, not Liverpool level bad but maybe 3 or 4 and that’ll be it for him. Then we’ll appoint a new manager during the international break.
No he is not good enough to win trophies. He needs to go.
He’s obviously staying. So depressing.
I don’t know if he can lead us to a sustainable long term success. But, he has true character to fight back from whatever difficult situation. He has my uttermost respect. I still hope he can do it.
It could easily be like that League Cup first leg where they dismantled us inside 45 minutes.
Or Ole will actually be sensible and set us up like he did yesterday or how he does when we play them at their place.
Contes 3-5-2 is much more advanced than Ole did it yesterday. Ole basicly just copied Southgate with a back 5 and 2 holding midfielders to hide his lack of tackical knowledge. We will hate this system a few games in, im sure of it. Tottenham are a horrible team like United have been lately, and they would have smashed them with any formation. Kane doesnt give a shit anymore.
Not so sure. Beating the worst Spurs team seen in years won‘t cut any ice. Far more challenging games to come.
Beating this Spurs side is as much a barometer as beating a blindman in a game of darts. I genuinely hope this hasn't made his job safe. He still needs to go.
I'm glad the players reacted and gave him a performance against a woeful Spurs side. I wouldn't want the last game Ole had in charge to be agame like the Liverpool one.
If he can navigate the next couple of games without embarrassment then maybe he can "move upstairs" to Director of Football and do all the stuff he is great at, while the new "Head Coach" gets on with things like tactics, formations and picking a team based on form, the things he has been weaker at.
This way the club doesn't have a humiliating "management failure" but is rather doing a succession/ stability plan.
Even if that's not the case, they can certainly try and spin it that way.
If he can navigate the next couple of games without embarrassment then maybe he can "move upstairs" to Director of Football and do all the stuff he is great at, while the new "Head Coach" gets on with things like tactics, formations and picking a team based on form, the things he has been weaker at.
This way the club doesn't have a humiliating "management failure" but is rather doing a succession/ stability plan.
Even if that's not the case, they can certainly try and spin it that way.
We've literally just appointed a Director of Football so that's never going to happen. Why the need to invent roles for a guy who has been an abject failure for the club in his management role? He's had the chance of a lifetime based on very little - so he's a very lucky guy. And that's before even thinking about the multi million pound pay off he'll get.
We will have to see how the City game goes. Theres a reason the Spurs fans reacted the way they did, they're attacking stats are woeful this season so were the perfect side to stick 7 at the back against and finally get a clean sheet. We'll see how well we keep out City, that game probably dictates Ole's future.
That's not what he's going to do though and we all know that. He's going to stick with this exact lineup as much as he can. Bruno and Ronaldo will start every game, Rashford will probably come in for Cavani if Cavani needs a rest. The back 5 and McFred isn't going to change.
It was not a fantastic team performance. It's not like we were peppering their goal with shots. We took our chances, but the performance wasn't great, imo. Spurs were appalling.
How many chest thumping posts about "tactical masterclass" have we had since yesterday? Going by the stay vote increasing, we must have had quite a few.
Absolutely embarrassing that the stay vote is increasing.
That's only true if it yields more results. I mean obviously this is going to be the XI next City next weekend, if it gets beaten the narrative will change again, how it only worked vs a poor Tottenham side. We've had half a dozen of these apparent eureka moments where some lineup or formation was apparently the future, I remember when Fred and McTominay was meant to be it, but they quite clearly aren't.
Our fixtures are still pretty tricky coming up, there will be much bigger tests than Tottenham that will define if this formation has any longevity.
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