I think a manager's success, especially a newer manager, is based almost more on the structure around him at the club than the manager himself. That's where experience may or may not come into play. If Carrick came to manage us in the future under new ownership with a well oiled set structure of scouting/recruitment/business above him then he wouldn't need the "experience" of a bunch of other clubs as much and would be more free to just focus on his players and the tactical side. For as much as Pep is lauded, each of his 3 clubs has had elite structure in place above him to make his job much more about simply managing his squad instead of managing/dealing with youth/contracts/recruitment/scouting and whatever else that we constantly seem to have our manager's dealing with on top of their own squad.
Ole - "I'm 100% sure Michael Carrick will be the manager of Manchester United"
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I think a manager's success, especially a newer manager, is based almost more on the structure around him at the club than the manager himself. That's where experience may or may not come into play. If Carrick came to manage us in the future under new ownership with a well oiled set structure of scouting/recruitment/business above him then he wouldn't need the "experience" of a bunch of other clubs as much and would be more free to just focus on his players and the tactical side. For as much as Pep is lauded, each of his 3 clubs has had elite structure in place above him to make his job much more about simply managing his squad instead of managing/dealing with youth/contracts/recruitment/scouting and whatever else that we constantly seem to have our manager's dealing with on top of their own squad.
Hag out Carrick in!
I failed the exam horribly but i predict that my mate in a lower grade will become the principal one day.
If I were Carrick I would be worried. I mean that's the guy who thought Harry Maguire deserves to be Man United captain.
ETH will be here for a good few years I think. With the backing of our new owners he can take us to the next level. We don’t want another Ole disaster with carrick. People like Carrick will be good for mid table prem teams. He’ll be better than both Gerrard and lampard though.
While Carrick has done well, it's very early to start evaluating him as a top club manager worthy anyway, never mind a Premier league level manager.
Let's not forget Lampard and Gerrard were praised equally at Derby County and Rangers before getting their Premier league jobs and having a spectacular failure.
Let's not forget Lampard and Gerrard were praised equally at Derby County and Rangers before getting their Premier league jobs and having a spectacular failure.
He also said he'd be successful at United, so there's that.
Fair play to Carrick though, he's going about it the right way. Still a long, long way to go.
Do well at Boro in the PL (if/when he gets there), do well at a Villa/Everton/Brighton, win a trophy at Spurs (I know it's a high bar) and maybe then we'll talk.
Fair play to Carrick though, he's going about it the right way. Still a long, long way to go.
Do well at Boro in the PL (if/when he gets there), do well at a Villa/Everton/Brighton, win a trophy at Spurs (I know it's a high bar) and maybe then we'll talk.
It also speaks to how easily fans are willing to capitulate to a neopotism hire - a figure who they remember fondly during the winning years - as opposed to actually evaluating who the best candidate may be.
The amount of bitterness towards Ole is quite funny. Carrick has shown that he is a promising manager, who knows if he went on to do well in the PL where that could take him.
Fantastic, and David the goalkeeper as the GK coach
The way I see it is it's nice if there is an association and love for the club, that can rarely be a bad thing IF the appointment is also justified in sporting terms. It means they're going to have loyalty and the club's interests at heart whereas many managers are completely in it for themselves, and the hope is their agenda will usually coincide with what the club also want. It should never be a matter of seeing past better candidates just because of a romanticism.
At the moment he is miles off, that's clear. He's like a young, raw prospect of a player we're keeping an eye on. That's it really. The chances they make it to United are not that high. Probably even less than the raw prospect because there are 25 plus places in a squad and a player doesn't come with the same risk as a manager. But sure, he's worth watching because he has started his career really well.
At the moment he is miles off, that's clear. He's like a young, raw prospect of a player we're keeping an eye on. That's it really. The chances they make it to United are not that high. Probably even less than the raw prospect because there are 25 plus places in a squad and a player doesn't come with the same risk as a manager. But sure, he's worth watching because he has started his career really well.
The moves he's making.
It's super uncommon that English managers in England get a shot at the big teams if they stay in England, and when they finally do they ultimately fail because they don't have big team experience.
If you want a big English club to take you and you want to be successful, you need to go to another league and win stuff, end up managing one of the best teams in that league and play regularly in the CL. Manage those things and you're in with a shout of getting noticed and also having the relevant experience to succeed.
I think his move to America is an opportunity to give himself some credentials and come back to Europe and land a decent job somewhere like Holland or the league below them and work his way up.
Plus, he's said multiple times he wants the United job once he's earned it.
One thing that stood out when he was manager for that very brief period was how organised we looked on the pitch. If he earns his credentials then it would be great for it to work out in the future.
The issue was the players were training differently from what is being said to do on the pitch. I remember against Liverpool the players were not trained to press them but Ole wanted them to press. The issue was Ole thought he was SAF which he is not and assumed he can treat his job as he would when playing football manager. We all could go on about the failures of Ole. However, in relation to Carrick, I would think he will be a good coach as from recent history states that midfielders are better managers than defenders and strikers.
Ole hasn't been wrong before in fairness....oh wait.
As time goes on you look back at Moyes and Ole and do wonder what we were thinking.
As time goes on you look back at Moyes and Ole and do wonder what we were thinking.
Love Ole, will never say anything bad about the bloke. It may not have been a roaring success here, but the way some talk about him you’d think he’d relegated us.
Ole still pushing for brexit united
No thanks
The answer reads like a chat GPT post - played under SAF and Jose, nice man etc. You could say the same about Rooney.
Carrick is doing very well with Middlesborough, but we've seen with Gerrard and Lampard that doing well in the Championship or weaker leagues doesn't always translate to the PL. He'd need to do well in a PL job first to even think about a shot at the United job.
Carrick is doing very well with Middlesborough, but we've seen with Gerrard and Lampard that doing well in the Championship or weaker leagues doesn't always translate to the PL. He'd need to do well in a PL job first to even think about a shot at the United job.
As did mourinho, who has had an ok career
Mourinho backed out because he knew he wasn't an 80 million pound defender.
Maguire would actually be ok for a Mourinho team.
The absolute state of some children in this thread running down Ole because he had the temerity to say nice things about someone he saw as talented.
It’s like golden era Arsenal TV in here at times.
Carrick is quite clearly a talented coach and manager. He’s currently doing a great job. He was also one of the most tactically perfect players of his generation and was selected by Ferguson to play in one of his greatest sides and is among the most decorated Premier League players of all time.
Going after Ole’s opinions or Carricks potential off the back of it… really poor.
It’s like golden era Arsenal TV in here at times.
Carrick is quite clearly a talented coach and manager. He’s currently doing a great job. He was also one of the most tactically perfect players of his generation and was selected by Ferguson to play in one of his greatest sides and is among the most decorated Premier League players of all time.
Going after Ole’s opinions or Carricks potential off the back of it… really poor.
Who knows what the future may bring? Only God knows...
It's a bit of a ridiculous assertion from Ole to be fair! "100% certain"?!
Really? 100%? No doubts at all?! There's about a million things can happen to Michael's career in the next few years, Ole should just let him get on with learning his trade at Boro and not be building him up for a fall!
I recall Keano was being touted at the "heir apparent" to Fergie when he took Sunderland from bottom to top of the Championship in one season. Doesn't always work out like that!
Really? 100%? No doubts at all?! There's about a million things can happen to Michael's career in the next few years, Ole should just let him get on with learning his trade at Boro and not be building him up for a fall!
I recall Keano was being touted at the "heir apparent" to Fergie when he took Sunderland from bottom to top of the Championship in one season. Doesn't always work out like that!
Ole rates former team mate and former coach .
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It's not clear though. As I said earlier, same was said about Gerrard and Lampard in their first years as a manager. I like the guy but people are jumping the gun in evaluating his capabilities as a coach. His abilities as a player doesn't mean much when it comes to coaching football teams anyway.
For those (like me) who don't know what Carrick is up to - he is the manager of Middlesbrough who are 4th place in the Championship.
Here's a good article:
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...le-since-middlesbrough-hired-michael-carrick/
And this is the table, if we start the season on the day that Carrick took over (his first 16 games).
1. Burnley – 15 games, 40 points, +21 GD
2. Middlesbrough – 16 games, 37 points, +18 GD
3. Sheffield United – 15 games, 35 points, +15 GD
4. West Brom – 15 games, 31 points, +9 GD
5. Sunderland – 15 games, 28 points, +12 GD
6. Luton – 15 games, 26 points, +6 GD
7. Coventry City – 18 games, 26 points, +6 GD
8. Watford – 16 games, 24 points, 0 GD
9. Hull City – 16 games, 21 points, +2 GD
10. Millwall – 14 games, 20 points, +3 GD
11. Norwich City – 15 games, 20 points, +2 GD
12. Bristol City – 14 games, 19 points, +2 GD
13. Preston North End – 14 games, 19 points, -6 GD
14. Stoke City – 15 games, 18 points, +1 GD
15. Birmingham City – 15 games, 18 points, -5 GD
16. Reading – 12 games, 16 points, -7 GD
17. Huddersfield Town – 16 games, 16 points, -8 GD
18. Blackburn Rovers – 14 games, 16 points, -8 GD
19. Swansea City – 15 games, 15 points, -1 GD
20. Cardiff City – 16 games, 14 points, -5 GD
21. Rotherham United – 16 games, 12 points, -19 GD
22. Wigan Athletic – 15 games, 11 points, -14 GD
23. Blackpool – 15 games, 9 points, -12 GD
24. QPR – 16 games, 9 points, -18 GD
Here's a good article:
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...le-since-middlesbrough-hired-michael-carrick/
And this is the table, if we start the season on the day that Carrick took over (his first 16 games).
1. Burnley – 15 games, 40 points, +21 GD
2. Middlesbrough – 16 games, 37 points, +18 GD
3. Sheffield United – 15 games, 35 points, +15 GD
4. West Brom – 15 games, 31 points, +9 GD
5. Sunderland – 15 games, 28 points, +12 GD
6. Luton – 15 games, 26 points, +6 GD
7. Coventry City – 18 games, 26 points, +6 GD
8. Watford – 16 games, 24 points, 0 GD
9. Hull City – 16 games, 21 points, +2 GD
10. Millwall – 14 games, 20 points, +3 GD
11. Norwich City – 15 games, 20 points, +2 GD
12. Bristol City – 14 games, 19 points, +2 GD
13. Preston North End – 14 games, 19 points, -6 GD
14. Stoke City – 15 games, 18 points, +1 GD
15. Birmingham City – 15 games, 18 points, -5 GD
16. Reading – 12 games, 16 points, -7 GD
17. Huddersfield Town – 16 games, 16 points, -8 GD
18. Blackburn Rovers – 14 games, 16 points, -8 GD
19. Swansea City – 15 games, 15 points, -1 GD
20. Cardiff City – 16 games, 14 points, -5 GD
21. Rotherham United – 16 games, 12 points, -19 GD
22. Wigan Athletic – 15 games, 11 points, -14 GD
23. Blackpool – 15 games, 9 points, -12 GD
24. QPR – 16 games, 9 points, -18 GD
Carrick is doing great things right now and may well move up the managerial food chain to someday lead United to glorious endeavour.
Has he actually? I've never watched Boro under Carrick.
In all honesty, ETH does not strike me as a guy who cares about such noise. His only reaction to such interview would probably be “heh”.
Amazing theses stories must have them Ole and all of them on speed dial for negative slant when we are in a dip in form. Whose tomorrow Ronaldo? the snake will drop " I seen this coming". Carrick doing well in EFL so heading to be a United manager ? so going by this standard then Keane must be ahead in the list. If i was Ole i would keep my head down, 2 words Harry Maguire.
Can someone post more quotes from the interview?
If he gets Middlesbrough promoted and has a couple of decent seasons with them in PL (similar to Fulham this year or Brentford both their PL years) then he will be considered at least, if things go wrong with ETH or the manager after him.
We all trusted Fergies judgment because he was a great manager and he picked Moyes.
I honestly think fans just guess as to who is responsible for what. We can't know for sure which person suggests what in meetings and people tend to blame/credit based on their own feelings. I remember our assistant managers getting blamed for defeats because (almost) no-one here had the balls to criticise Fergie.
Thanks for that - interesting that he says he learned about defensive shape from McKenna and that he coached the team out of possession or laid the foundation, while Carrick did the opposite. I wonder how things would have fared without the two of them.
Does he say anything in hindsight about his managerial reign at United, some self-awareness nuggets?
Thanks for the quotes @Tom Van Persie
I don't really want to bash Ole (anymore than I have already for years) but the more I read from this, the more I get heated just thinking how inexperienced and lacking in substance he was himself from the way he talks about Carrick and McKenna..
Sigh.
I don't really want to bash Ole (anymore than I have already for years) but the more I read from this, the more I get heated just thinking how inexperienced and lacking in substance he was himself from the way he talks about Carrick and McKenna..
Sigh.
Yeah because Madrid are always on the lookout for the best young English coaches