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next time OGS will make sure to check with you on "behavioural things" as well..Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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next time OGS will make sure to check with you on "behavioural things" as well..Read from some journalist when he was appointed that the whole board wanted someone with ties to United to take over for the rest of the season as Moyes, LVG and Mourinho just didn't get what United were about. That only left ex players and Fergie doesn't get on with Keane and Woodward has fallen out with the class of 92, so our options were Hughes, Bruce, Solskjaer, Queiroz, McLaren and maybe Phelan. When you look at the list, it's an easy choice.
For me, Ole is the man to take us forward but I am skeptical about his eye for talent in the transfer market which will break him if we have one bad summer of sub par appointments. We should hire a DoF, someone who again, knows United and knows what kind of players should be coming to the club (Van Der Sar anyone???) and just let Ole manage the club and the players with a solid backroom staff of quality coaches.
Football clubs are like any institution and there's a reason why major institutions promote from within.
Probably. But this is also his screening test to see if he would be a perfect fit for us.
You could do a lot worse, I work as a behavioural expert.
pretty evident, I would say !
The difference between them is night and day
I noticed that -- but I also noticed that Kieran McKenna isnt looking so death-like nowadays. He looked like he was on the edge of life, with that gaunt, haunted look of a refugee a week ago.
Good post.
Yes he certainly gives off those vibes and maybe that's where the others went wrong and were too stubborn to listen.
That's the vibe I'm getting too on and off the pitch.I hope they have a sound long term plan in mind to get the right man this time.
A big IF but if we some how finish in the top 4 in May, would majority on here be in favour of giving Ole the job ?
If we finished top 4 in May, I'd be in favour of giving Ole my house.
If we land top 4 and beat PSG in Europe, I’d be all for it.
If we continue to play this great stuff and go on a run but miss out on 4th only because Chelsea don't feck up at all, I'd still let Ole keep the job.
Instead of measuring his performance by top 4 which is not in his hands, look at it this way - we are on 35 points with 54 left to play for. If Ole can get 42-45+ points out of this 54, giving us a tally of 75-80+ points, all the while ensuring we play attractive football, he should stay. Of course, 80 points may not be enough for 4th this season if Chelsea are more consistent, but that's not his fault.
Other factors would be his big game management -- Spurs and PSG should give an idea -- and possibly a good FA Cup run. These will prove he has evolved from his failed spell at Cardiff and truly has potential.
People are not robots. They wouldn't have same reaction regardless of the situation.
If media start giving him s**t, he ll probably respond in the same coin.
You don't start wars with the media just for the sake of it.
Yep! I stand by my post
I just don’t get the assumption why 2 ex United legends steeped in the United Way with nearly 1500 games as managers experience between them would revert to previous playing styles when managing one of the biggest clubs in the world with a squad containing world class players.
I know Mark Hughes has a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp at the best of the times but even he would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat and laughing like a hyena with a strike force containing Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and an in form Sanchez! As for Bruce I bet he’d have Jones playing like Franz Beckenbauer in no time!
As good as Poch is, there's still no guarantee that he would be a success at United. Imagine going all out for him in the summer then going backwards next season. I just hope that Solskjaer will not be discounted regardless of what happens for the rest of the season. People saying that he needs to get top 4 or win a trophy to be in with a real shout are being unrealistic. Who's to say Poch or Zidane or anybody else for that matter would have done any better.
If OGS maintains the same level of performances for the rest of the season and gets Old Trafford rocking again, that should put him in the driving seat. If he doesn't get the gig, then whoever does will be under huge pressure and be expected to hit the ground running next season.
I guess all will be a lot clearer when we start to face the bigger teams.
If OGS maintains the same level of performances for the rest of the season and gets Old Trafford rocking again, that should put him in the driving seat. If he doesn't get the gig, then whoever does will be under huge pressure and be expected to hit the ground running next season.
I guess all will be a lot clearer when we start to face the bigger teams.
Probably not the right thread, but I can’t wait to see Sanchez in this team. I love Lingard, but a starting three of Martial, Rash and Alexis in this high pressing team could be magnificent.
Maybe you're full of the joys of life, and just get all your negativity out on here
For me there's no chance of top 4 as it would require title winning form at this point. If he managed such a run and points tally it's difficult to see why he wouldn't get the job, it would be better than anything Guardiola, Poch or Klopp have achieved in the PL without making any signings himself.
By the way, the argument that there is no united way has been put to shreds, there is.
So will Chelsea need same form to maintain such a lead. Bar Tottenham game our fixture list is pretty simple and we have the ability to beat those.
I'm glad we brought OGS in when we did as we can make a fair assessment of him before deciding if he's worthy of the job. Normally caretakers managers come in towards the end of the season, and give the club a new lease of life before failing in the long term/ or once they get given the job based on 4/5 good games, results soon revert back to type. OGS has 6 months in the hot seat, he's in 3 competitions so he will get a fair crack of the whip. If he consistently plays good attacking football whilst competing against the big teams then he deserves the job full time. I'm not saying he needs to win all games against the top 6 and knock PSG out but if he gets 2/3 wins and makes us competitive whilst retaining the attacking attitude that we have seen thus far, then I'll be happy for him to keep the job.
It's hard to judge so far due to the standard of opposition but the football for one has been miles better. The press conferences aren't much to judge IMO, LvG got high praise for what he said in his press conferences after taking over Moyes but soon started to change once the results started to crash.
Obviously OGS knows the club, as does Phelan who I think will be a big help. He will stick to the United traditions and play attacking football which is what the fans want to see. Whether he can get results playing this way against more challenging teams remains to be seen. We could easily lose to Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Spurs and PSG by a scoreline and no-one would be clamouring for him to get job.
As has been mentioned, I think it's imperative that we recruit a DOF. Most clubs in Europe are doing it now, and have had great results with the right man at the helm. It would be unwise to give OGS full responsibility in the market whether that's this January or in the summer, I do however feel he should get the final say on whether to bring someone in/sell them. I don't think a club where players are signed without the manager's approval works well in the long term.
It's hard to judge so far due to the standard of opposition but the football for one has been miles better. The press conferences aren't much to judge IMO, LvG got high praise for what he said in his press conferences after taking over Moyes but soon started to change once the results started to crash.
Obviously OGS knows the club, as does Phelan who I think will be a big help. He will stick to the United traditions and play attacking football which is what the fans want to see. Whether he can get results playing this way against more challenging teams remains to be seen. We could easily lose to Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Spurs and PSG by a scoreline and no-one would be clamouring for him to get job.
As has been mentioned, I think it's imperative that we recruit a DOF. Most clubs in Europe are doing it now, and have had great results with the right man at the helm. It would be unwise to give OGS full responsibility in the market whether that's this January or in the summer, I do however feel he should get the final say on whether to bring someone in/sell them. I don't think a club where players are signed without the manager's approval works well in the long term.
Yep! I stand by my post
I just don’t get the assumption why 2 ex United legends steeped in the United Way with nearly 1500 games as managers experience between them would revert to previous playing styles when managing one of the biggest clubs in the world with a squad containing world class players.
I know Mark Hughes has a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp at the best of the times but even he would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat and laughing like a hyena with a strike force containing Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and an in form Sanchez! As for Bruce I bet he’d have Jones playing like Franz Beckenbauer in no time!
That's some high level delusion if you think Phil Jones even has half the ability of Franz Beckenbauer (Oh Dear). It's not hard to believe if you take into consideration that they both have had managerial careers for many years yet have always played the same way. Look at Eddie Howe, had his team playing attacking football in lower divisions and now in prem despite not having much money to spend, while Mark Hughes had money at city/better players and that job went same as his previous one's, dull then got the sack and now is recycled by bottom half of Prem then gets the sack. Each manager has a style with which they are familiar with, Eddie Howe is familiar with attacking football and despite the budget he had/has, Bournemouth play good attacking football and Steve Bruce/Mark Hughes have always been comfortable with their style which is similar to Jose. Don't know why you seem to think they would all of a sudden play some great attacking football despite never ever attempting to play that way before in any of their previous manager jobs (btw attacking football isn't telling your players to go attack and expect magic but by having a plan on how to attack, which jose had no clue). Well Maybe the likes of Paul Ince and Redknapp said United should get Bruce
Maybe that's why you fail to understand.Being steeped in the United way means nothing if they have never tried to implement that in their other clubs, Ole despite his failure at Cardiff at least tried to implement his attacking play. Ole went back to Molde Fk and again Implemented his style of attacking football and Now at United, United play similar to the way Modle Fk play. which isn't by some "he's steeped in the United way" magic but by him implementing his style (attacking football) on his players. It doesn't mean he will be successful here but its clear to see Ole has a clear idea of how his team should play despite the players he has had in previous clubs and now at United. United could lose the games vs big teams but the attacking intent will be there and it certainly won't be Jose/(Steve Bruce and Mark Hughes) style.
Managers don't all of a sudden go from Pragmatic style of play to Klopp/pep style football, this is not FIFA where they can go to custom tactics and change their styles. Look at Jose, he had attacking players from the go at United and bought more attacking players then got them to defend for 70+ mins in a match not against city or pool but against bottom half teams.
Our fixture list is no more simple than anyone else's at the half way point. Chelsea don't need to match our form they can drop points in 3 games more than us and still finish above us, it's a massive advantage.
On the flipside, if we beat them we only have to catch up 5-6 points in 17 games. They've got Arsenal and City away within the next five weeks. It's imperative that we beat Tottenham, as we'd probably be only 7 points behind them too and they're perennial bottlers.
I find it sad how the media belittle and patronise Ole just because he isn't an arrogant arse. This is why beating Tottenham would be all the more sweet!
It's a shame Ole left before the 2007/08 season. This one could have been so much better.
I think OGS has done a brilliant job so far but i'm holding fire on whether or not i'd want him on a permanent until we hit the business end of the season in February and March.
Oh and anybody who is going to build up our match with Spurs as a shootout between Poch and Ole for the job needs to show themselves out right now.
Oh and anybody who is going to build up our match with Spurs as a shootout between Poch and Ole for the job needs to show themselves out right now.
That's some high level delusion if you think Phil Jones even has half the ability of Franz Beckenbauer (Oh Dear). It's not hard to believe if you take into consideration that they both have had managerial careers for many years yet have always played the same way. Look at Eddie Howe, had his team playing attacking football in lower divisions and now in prem despite not having much money to spend, while Mark Hughes had money at city/better players and that job went same as his previous one's, dull then got the sack and now is recycled by bottom half of Prem then gets the sack. Each manager has a style with which they are familiar with, Eddie Howe is familiar with attacking football and despite the budget he had/has, Bournemouth play good attacking football and Steve Bruce/Mark Hughes have always been comfortable with their style which is similar to Jose. Don't know why you seem to think they would all of a sudden play some great attacking football despite never ever attempting to play that way before in any of their previous manager jobs (btw attacking football isn't telling your players to go attack and expect magic but by having a plan on how to attack, which jose had no clue). Well Maybe the likes of Paul Ince and Redknapp said United should get Bruce
Being steeped in the United way means nothing if they have never tried to implement that in their other clubs, Ole despite his failure at Cardiff at least tried to implement his attacking play. Ole went back to Molde Fk and again Implemented his style of attacking football and Now at United, United play similar to the way Modle Fk play. which isn't by some "he's steeped in the United way" magic but by him implementing his style (attacking football) on his players. It doesn't mean he will be successful here but its clear to see Ole has a clear idea of how his team should play despite the players he has had in previous clubs and now at United. United could lose the games vs big teams but the attacking intent will be there and it certainly won't be Jose/(Steve Bruce and Mark Hughes) style.
Managers don't all of a sudden go from Pragmatic style of play to Klopp/pep style football, this is not FIFA where they can go to custom tactics and change their styles. Look at Jose, he had attacking players from the go at United and bought more attacking players then got them to defend for 70+ mins in a match not against city or pool but against bottom half teams.
Blimey! Just as well I didn’t mention I voted for Arsene Wenger as permanent manager - Oops!
I like how he doesn't seem intimidated by the media at all. Calm answers combined with an enthusiastic mindset.
This is what I fear the most with giving the job to an ex legend especially when he's universally loved. The sentimental side of fans and board is very dangerous at this club. Pratically Ole can have us fighting relegation and people will still champion for giving him more time.
But there's no reason to not give him the job full time if he does well at the end of the season. If he gets us top4 and a good run in CL then nothing can stop the club from keeping him around.
The media have given him an easy ride so far and he's been backed up by results. Let's see what the vultures do after we lose the first game. However, I don't think Ole will let the press push him around or wind him up like Jose did.
Ole seems like a very likable, for that reason I don't think he will ever have the same scrutiny from the media as Jose did.
You are forgetting that he's just a caretaker manager. So he won't be big news if he fails, rather he will make the news only if he performs above expectations.
Let's not get carried away with it. It has been 3 games against relegation battlers. He's still interim manager.
Saying that I've been pleasantly surprised what he has done immediately with the dressing room. We seems to be enjoying on the pitch and it happened really quick.
Nice to see Ole in the dugout as well, as romantic feeling that is.
Saying that I've been pleasantly surprised what he has done immediately with the dressing room. We seems to be enjoying on the pitch and it happened really quick.
Nice to see Ole in the dugout as well, as romantic feeling that is.
Jose vs Pog was tabloid gold!
Ole is never going to give them controversial headlines.
The only headline worthy player in the squad is Pogba really, so as long as Paul plays well Ole won’t have any drama to deal with.
Ole is never going to give them controversial headlines.
The only headline worthy player in the squad is Pogba really, so as long as Paul plays well Ole won’t have any drama to deal with.
It's not negative to want the club to do the right thing, and make the right appointment. If you think we should be giving Solskjaer the job for the long term, based on just three games, that's nonsense. If that's joyless, then fine.Maybe you're full of the joys of life, and just get all your negativity out on here
Suggest you enjoy the post-Mourinho period and stop throwing playground labels at people who don't share your point of view.
Yeah would be amazing wouldn't it. Still think we can do it but we've got to start beating the big teams. Chelsea alone won't be enough; we'll need to take City and Liverpool at home, too.
Premier League manager of the month for December surely?