They're getting a hefty wad of cash for it in fairness.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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They're getting a hefty wad of cash for it in fairness.
Their annual budget is £9m. If the reported fee is correct they'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Not to mention potential friendly and also loan players.
It was weird when Ole got appointed before christmas, because I was somewhat sceptical, or if I'm more honest, afraid he would fail.
Norwegian media are terrible whenever some norwegian get some international attention, so I kept my enthusiasm on a minimum...until after his debut win, then I couldn't keep my joy to myself anymore. The only other big english following in Norway is Liverpool, and I love the fact that United get so much coverage here (compared to before) before and after each United game as it pisses my Liverpool mates off. Funnily enough my other mates who supports Chelsea/other clubs and others who dont even usually pay attention to football, have grown some sympathi towards United because of Ole, and the official norwegiean fanclub has grown too.
That effect probably doesn't translate to every nation on the globe (Norway has some inferior complex), but it is romantic and why most of us started following this club.
He's already proven his merit with his run, now let us see him having a real go. Every trophy he wins will be more magical. Imagine SAF watching Ole lift the PL compared to other managers at the helm. Fearing Ole will fail? Ole doesn't, and he's the kind of person that rather resign because he doesn't belive he can take the club further, than doing a Mou.
With that said, I wouldn't mind Poch.
Norwegian media are terrible whenever some norwegian get some international attention, so I kept my enthusiasm on a minimum...until after his debut win, then I couldn't keep my joy to myself anymore. The only other big english following in Norway is Liverpool, and I love the fact that United get so much coverage here (compared to before) before and after each United game as it pisses my Liverpool mates off. Funnily enough my other mates who supports Chelsea/other clubs and others who dont even usually pay attention to football, have grown some sympathi towards United because of Ole, and the official norwegiean fanclub has grown too.
That effect probably doesn't translate to every nation on the globe (Norway has some inferior complex), but it is romantic and why most of us started following this club.
He's already proven his merit with his run, now let us see him having a real go. Every trophy he wins will be more magical. Imagine SAF watching Ole lift the PL compared to other managers at the helm. Fearing Ole will fail? Ole doesn't, and he's the kind of person that rather resign because he doesn't belive he can take the club further, than doing a Mou.
With that said, I wouldn't mind Poch.
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Agree. There's so much to like about Solskjaer. The fact that he's willing to promote youth is the best thing.If Eric is happy, so am I!
We just need to be double sure about this before we do it. If Solskjaer isn't the best available candidate we shouldn't hire him.
Tbh I'm a bit worried about him calling Fergie 'the Gaffer.' Fergie's the best manager there'll ever be but we need to move on and adapting with the times (as Fergie himself did so successfully).
Personally I'd still go Pochettino for his greater experience but if not him, then OGS. No other candidates.
Molde would love this to happen. United (as far as I know) are the biggest club In Norway and it would be amazing publicity for them.
Still, it's pretty awesome from them to let him go on loan like that.
For Molde, this is publicity not only in Norway (where everyone knows them anyway), but also world wide. For sure they are more know now as a club than a couple of months ago, which could help them on the player marked outside Norway (which to them means Scandinavia and Africa).
Why is that a problem? All of his ex players call him that.
I love the "We just need to be double sure about this before we do it" lines. Somehow they only apply to Ole and not to Poch, its great. I'm not even sure what this means. Wasn't pretty much everyone here double sure about Mourinho? How does one become "double sure" without giving him the permanent job and seeing how he does in 2 years? Is Poch a "double sure" candidate because he took a team from consistently 5th to consistently 3rd?
One of them is now the gaffer himself though.
If we actually beat Burnley which let's be honest we really should have, it's 12 straight domestic wins. Just incredible and unbelievable really.
Since Fergie we've hired 3 managers who all failed, 3 managers who each tried to rebuild United in his own vision, 3 managers each of whom had no feelings for our history, culture, beliefs and principles; if we hire Pocchettino we'll have exactly the same again, but unlike Poch, Mourinho, LVG and Moyes Ole is not simply a football mercenary, he understands what makes United special, he cares about our past, and our future, he loves the club and its supporters, and so far hes proved that its possible to rebuild Manchester United along the lines and principles set up by Matt Busby and enhanced by Fergie, I truly believe Ole is the one we've been waiting for, as Eric Cantona said, Ole is Feries natural successor. Give him the job NOW!
In that article:
"After last week’s Champions League defeat to Paris Saint-Germain, the one blot on his copybook in 13 games so far, the dressing-room door was shut for a quarter of an hour while Solskjaer addressed the players and their shortcomings on the night. As they emerged, one member of staff was heard to say, ‘now that’s what I call coaching a team’."
If thats true thats quite something. Sounds almost too good to be true though. And it is the Daily Mail.
"After last week’s Champions League defeat to Paris Saint-Germain, the one blot on his copybook in 13 games so far, the dressing-room door was shut for a quarter of an hour while Solskjaer addressed the players and their shortcomings on the night. As they emerged, one member of staff was heard to say, ‘now that’s what I call coaching a team’."
If thats true thats quite something. Sounds almost too good to be true though. And it is the Daily Mail.
Ole has already moved out of the hotel. The Toxic One's entire reign feels so strange
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You could literally say the same about every single member of the Caf.
In an article in Supporters Club Scandinavia they refer to him as a former player, now manager, but a man who first and foremost sees himself as a Manchester United supporter.... so that would explain it.
Only the insecure will have problems calling SAF the gaffer though. Ole seems perfectly comfortable
I agree that we should wait till the end of the season.
We should stop using 13 matches as a sample size for Ole at United and many years for Poch at Spurs.
Ole's sample size at United is 13 matches ,while Poch's sample size at United is zero, no two scenarios are the same, LVG and Mourinho were successful elsewhere but failed at United. It's wishful thinking that since Poch. is succeeding at Spurs he will succeed at United.
At least we have seen what Ole's United is/will look like(and most of us like it), we don't know what Poch's United will look like.
It's like ignoring a high performing temporal staff who relates well with his superiors and colleagues, knows the company's culture, mission and vision for a good permanent staff at a smaller company who may or may not get along with his superiors and colleagues, may buckle under pressure, may or may not understand the company. The latter carries more risk than the former.
Ole is our man and our results against City, Liverpool won't change my mind.
We should stop using 13 matches as a sample size for Ole at United and many years for Poch at Spurs.
Ole's sample size at United is 13 matches ,while Poch's sample size at United is zero, no two scenarios are the same, LVG and Mourinho were successful elsewhere but failed at United. It's wishful thinking that since Poch. is succeeding at Spurs he will succeed at United.
At least we have seen what Ole's United is/will look like(and most of us like it), we don't know what Poch's United will look like.
It's like ignoring a high performing temporal staff who relates well with his superiors and colleagues, knows the company's culture, mission and vision for a good permanent staff at a smaller company who may or may not get along with his superiors and colleagues, may buckle under pressure, may or may not understand the company. The latter carries more risk than the former.
Ole is our man and our results against City, Liverpool won't change my mind.
Interesting how Carrick and McKenna were excluded from Jose’s last coaching meeting. I’ve suspected that they were not picked by JM and were possibly board picks to possibly get us to playing better. I’ve also wondered over Farias departure too. I don’t think it was voluntary on his part as it’s been made out...
This narrative - that Pochettino has done amazingly considering the impoverished quality of his squad - is starting to wear a little thin. Since he joined Spurs the club has spent £240m on players. That's in addition to the £80m spent on players that remain in the squad from before his arrival. So his squad has a cost basis of around £320m. But let's think about value. Spurs have done well by buying promising players and allowing them to develop at the club. Think about some of the costs and the players' possible current values:
Cost Value
Eriksen 11,000,000 50,000,000
Vertonghen 10,000,000 40,000,000
Alli 5,000,000 50,000,000
Dier 4,000,000 35,000,000
Son 22,000,000 35,000,000
Alderwiereld 11,500,000 35,000,000
Trippier 3,500,000 25,000,000
Totals 67,000,000 270,000,000
So, even with these conservative valuations, these players are now worth £200m more than when they were bought, giving a current squad value of £520m. But wait, that's without Kane. If Kane is worth £80m then the total squad value has to be at least £600m. For what it's worth, transfermarkt.com thinks they're worth €913m. And, for comparison, Liverpool's squad is valued at €926m - not much in it, is there. (And how's Pochettino going to do at United - our squad is only worth €759m?)
So what's the take away here. First: Pochettino and Klopp have very comparable squads in terms of value (they're both about €100m behind City) and neither of them has won anything yet. Second: if Ole can get what we've seen out of the current squad, imagine what he'd do with a squad as good as Klopp's or Pochettino's. Third: why would Pochettino want to come and struggle here when he's already got a good squad with a new stadium just around the corner.
[Edit: Keep forgetting that tables don't line up right. Anyway, I'm sure you get what I mean.]
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Bravo
That isn't a narrative I've seen at all. People recognise the quality of the squad and are praising Poch for building it, on a much lower budget than his rivals.
And I see lots of people criticise Poch here for not winning trophies despite having a squad good enough to compete.
You haven't looked very carefully. There's a pervasive theme that, if he had the money, Pochettino will automatically be able to build a winning team at United (or, indeed, anywhere). One of the points I was illustrating is that he already has a very good team, and yet he still hasn't won anything.
Fair enough, I disagree but we're in the Ole thread so will leave it there.
Spurs had all this before pochettin0 - Lloris, Kyle walker, Rose, vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen, Kane, Lamela, whilst having some players that were replaced like Sandr0, Sigurdsson, Paulinh0, bentaleb & Chadli. The year before that spurs sold Bale for a world record fee as well.
Spurs has added under pochettin0 -
1)good players like aldeweireld, Son, alli, Davies, Dier
2) average players that are rather inconsistent - sissoko, wanyama, Lucas, aurier, Sanchez, janssen, fazi0, Llorente, N'jie, Foyth, wimmer, vorm, N'koud0u.
Pochettin0 is a good coach but some of the love for him is seriously overrated. Spurs have always been a club that had the ability to find some really good players - we as a club used to buy their best players for stupendous prices or atleast target them. Spurs are a growing as a club and that is due to the stadium, Levy who is fantastic & pochettin0 being a decent manager.
Why people expect him to be this wonder manager though seriously deceives me - especially at a time when we have a United bred manager pulling out results with ease. Especially since he hasn't done anything all that special with spurs in my opinion.
Has spurs made this top 4 regular because they have been so great or because clubs like United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool have all been so inconsistent?
Why did Leicester win the league & not spurs? It was clearly not the money right? Its because Ranieri was a better manager than Pochettino that year.
Even if that's not important - Pochettino 's ability to get Spurs consistently in to Top 4 is just as much down to other clubs failing than it is just purely down to the managers ability.
Is it really that hard to get 3rd or 4th when
* A club Chelsea sack manager that won them the leagues & replace them with a manager like sarri
* a club like arsenal hold on to their legendary manager for far too long causing a serious level of stagnation at the club; allowing spurs to overtake them as the better club - SAF himself said that wenger staying at arsenal was not good for them
* a club like Liverpool had horrible average managers & players until Klopp - who is much more capable manager than Pochettino
* a club like ours literally until the last 3 months have been a shadow of our former selves - resorting to cheap tactics & managers that don't fit our ethos - only to feel the result of such poor decisions later on in the league & matches.
I just don't get it - why is Pochettino's spurs viewed as a complete result of his management when so many clubs have been underperforming around him.
I totally agree with you @ravelston
Spurs has added under pochettin0 -
1)good players like aldeweireld, Son, alli, Davies, Dier
2) average players that are rather inconsistent - sissoko, wanyama, Lucas, aurier, Sanchez, janssen, fazi0, Llorente, N'jie, Foyth, wimmer, vorm, N'koud0u.
Pochettin0 is a good coach but some of the love for him is seriously overrated. Spurs have always been a club that had the ability to find some really good players - we as a club used to buy their best players for stupendous prices or atleast target them. Spurs are a growing as a club and that is due to the stadium, Levy who is fantastic & pochettin0 being a decent manager.
Why people expect him to be this wonder manager though seriously deceives me - especially at a time when we have a United bred manager pulling out results with ease. Especially since he hasn't done anything all that special with spurs in my opinion.
Has spurs made this top 4 regular because they have been so great or because clubs like United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool have all been so inconsistent?
Why did Leicester win the league & not spurs? It was clearly not the money right? Its because Ranieri was a better manager than Pochettino that year.
Even if that's not important - Pochettino 's ability to get Spurs consistently in to Top 4 is just as much down to other clubs failing than it is just purely down to the managers ability.
Is it really that hard to get 3rd or 4th when
* A club Chelsea sack manager that won them the leagues & replace them with a manager like sarri
* a club like arsenal hold on to their legendary manager for far too long causing a serious level of stagnation at the club; allowing spurs to overtake them as the better club - SAF himself said that wenger staying at arsenal was not good for them
* a club like Liverpool had horrible average managers & players until Klopp - who is much more capable manager than Pochettino
* a club like ours literally until the last 3 months have been a shadow of our former selves - resorting to cheap tactics & managers that don't fit our ethos - only to feel the result of such poor decisions later on in the league & matches.
I just don't get it - why is Pochettino's spurs viewed as a complete result of his management when so many clubs have been underperforming around him.
I totally agree with you @ravelston
With due respect to all posters in this thread, I wish all the Poch talk would be toned down here. Ole has done enough already to move out of Poch's shadows and the job is surely his to lose now. Would rather focus on Ole now and his achievements than any other opposition manager. Maybe a separate comparison thread can be made?
In the same post, you go on to make out as if Poch will be a guaranteed success in the transfer market when he spends. @Amadeus also implies this.
That's your opinions.
But mine is that Poch is linked with James Maddison for 50 million, who isn't good enough for United's bench. And hardly replaces Eriksen.
So clearly his transfers aren't exactly as good as Pep's, who signed Sane and Jesus for cheaper than Maddison (who isn't as good a player).
How can you or any other Poch supporters expect us to win leagues with a manager as unproven in the market as Poch
That's your opinions.
But mine is that Poch is linked with James Maddison for 50 million, who isn't good enough for United's bench. And hardly replaces Eriksen.
So clearly his transfers aren't exactly as good as Pep's, who signed Sane and Jesus for cheaper than Maddison (who isn't as good a player).
How can you or any other Poch supporters expect us to win leagues with a manager as unproven in the market as Poch
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Top quality analysis from you and @ravelston in this thread budSpurs had all this before pochettin0 - Lloris, Kyle walker, Rose, vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen, Kane, Lamela, whilst having some players that were replaced like Sandr0, Sigurdsson, Paulinh0, bentaleb & Chadli. The year before that spurs sold Bale for a world record fee as well.
Spurs has added under pochettin0 -
1)good players like aldeweireld, Son, alli, Davies, Dier
2) average players that are rather inconsistent - sissoko, wanyama, Lucas, aurier, Sanchez, janssen, fazi0, Llorente, N'jie, Foyth, wimmer, vorm, N'koud0u.
Pochettin0 is a good coach but some of the love for him is seriously overrated. Spurs have always been a club that had the ability to find some really good players - we as a club used to buy their best players for stupendous prices or atleast target them. Spurs are a growing as a club and that is due to the stadium, Levy who is fantastic & pochettin0 being a decent manager.
Why people expect him to be this wonder manager though seriously deceives me - especially at a time when we have a United bred manager pulling out results with ease. Especially since he hasn't done anything all that special with spurs in my opinion.
Has spurs made this top 4 regular because they have been so great or because clubs like United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool have all been so inconsistent?
Why did Leicester win the league & not spurs? It was clearly not the money right? Its because Ranieri was a better manager than Pochettino that year.
Even if that's not important - Pochettino 's ability to get Spurs consistently in to Top 4 is just as much down to other clubs failing than it is just purely down to the managers ability.
Is it really that hard to get 3rd or 4th when
* A club Chelsea sack manager that won them the leagues & replace them with a manager like sarri
* a club like arsenal hold on to their legendary manager for far too long causing a serious level of stagnation at the club; allowing spurs to overtake them as the better club - SAF himself said that wenger staying at arsenal was not good for them
* a club like Liverpool had horrible average managers & players until Klopp - who is much more capable manager than Pochettino
* a club like ours literally until the last 3 months have been a shadow of our former selves - resorting to cheap tactics & managers that don't fit our ethos - only to feel the result of such poor decisions later on in the league & matches.
I just don't get it - why is Pochettino's spurs viewed as a complete result of his management when so many clubs have been underperforming around him.
I totally agree with you @ravelston
If LVG, Moyes etc. Walked into a squad as good as the squad that Poch inherited, they'd have been sacked within a few seasons of not winning anything.
But because Poch is at a provincial club who have historically been losers to Chelsea, they essentially don't require titles and that's part of the reason he's a success there.
It's like Marco Silva keeping Everton top 5 and abandoning the cups and people calling him a top manager.
You should post this in the Poch thread so it doesn't get lost bud, people who support Poch will just post on and bury your post in the back pages while their posts will be the most recent
You clearly spent the time with this post bud, so it's worth ensuring it doesn't get lost as people will argue walls of text over a fraction of the info you posted
It feels refreshing to have ex players/coaches back in the club that aren't part of the CO92 for some reason.
Already waiting for todays excuses from the Poch camp....
Ole - 1 point vs Burnley
Poch - 0 points vs Burnley
just stirring shit for fun
Poch - 0 points vs Burnley
just stirring shit for fun
ahhh. Those Pooch fans.
Waiting to see what excuses or goalpost-shifting the Poch fans get up to....
People like to find problems when there are none.
They won't appear until after Sunday's match if we drop points.