Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

[Amadaeus]

I dont get the Ranieri comparison, but yes anomalies do happen. Expecting us to beat bottom half teams is reasonable, expecting us to trash City and Liverpool (with style and swagger) IS unreasonable, because right now they are better than us. Also, i dont quite understand what you see as a "complete performance against a top team". We have now beaten both Arsenal and Chelsea away quite comfortably, considering the shite we have gotten served up the last years i would say thats a pretty big step up.

Also, the spending argument you keep going back to is not the be all end all when it comes to assessing the quality of a manager. Tottenham have done very well in the transfer market, both before and under Poch, no argument there, but according to this site: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1

Their squad actually have a higher market value than ours. It hardly an exact science, but us squandering a lot of money on duds the past six years is really not a stick you can beat Ole with as he has not signed a single one of those players.

When, I mean a competitive performance against a top team, I am referring to a great performance against Europe top team. Chelsea victory is the only one that come closest because Chelsea is a top team, but when you look at their recent performance, they were not at their best. A great performance against liverpool this week will no doubt ensue Ole passes this test.

We barely squandering money on duds the last few season. We have just had terrible manager. Pogba, our most expensive signing has been our best player. Martial and Lindelof has been key players. Di Maria has the most assist when we purchased him. Fred, is a top talent, just need a proper manager. Lukaku has been great when it comes to getting goal before. Whereas, Sanchez there is a quality player in there and under the right manager, he can be useful. Depay is doing well at Lyon but was misused here at United. So as you can see, our spending has more to do with bad management rather than bad players. That site that says Spurs have a higher market value doesn’t not equate to they have a better squad. These are just subjective numbers, that has no bases on reality until a team actual put in an offer and purchase them. Rashford to a team may be worth higher than Ali and Pogba higher than Kane. So that stat is useless. What is factual is that Manchester United has better depth than Spurs and individual players. If most of these Spurs player had chosen United over the past few years, it is hard to believe they would have developed as well at United as they would under Spurs.

Firstly, every man and his dog knew that Leicester season is a fluke and they can't repeat it next year, especially with CL in the mix. But it doesn't take away the impossible achievement they did, they were immortal during that moment. Football is all about that moment, Football live for that moment.
Stop being overly concerned about "outplay" a top teams. It took Sir Alex 5, 6 years to finally win his first title. His World Class 99 triple team won't have happen if Bergkamp had tucked away that penalty. He won the CL twice, one with 2 very late goals, the other when John Terry slipped up his winning penalty. Does it matter to you that we almost didn't win those? Hell no.
My point is : One day the Ole bubble will burst and all those oracles will say "I told you so.." Don't be one of them. Learn to appreciate your team efforts they put in no matter they deserve the win or not.

No every man and dog were vocal about it though at the time. They were deceived towards how great a manager Ranieri was.

This is just a meticulous assessment of Ole and nothing more. I think he has done a fantastic job so far but when he has come up against other potential candidates in Tuchel and Pochettino, he fell short of my expectations. Most fan taught United would win that game against PSG considering we had a full team and they were without two of their key players, but Tuchel not only proved us wrong but put on a tactical master class at Old Trafford. Same when we came up against Pochettino. I have not seen United cower towards an opposition like we did against him in the second half. I believe in that match, De Gea almost or did break the league record for most saves. So, once again, I will not be dissatisfied at the moment if Ole got the job, I am just seeing whether he is the better candidate than the likes of a Pochettino,Zidane, Tuchel or Marco Rose.

Yeah, except that's an utter lie and no sane person believed anything other than it was a freak season that Leicester managed to take advantage of. I think the majority expected them to struggle to even get near the European places the following season. I have also never seen a single post on here advocating hiring a journeyman like Ranieri based on an absolute bonkers anomaly of a season.

Yet, I was the one most vocal about it. You may not have been deceived, but you were not vocal about it which was as bad as being conned. It was until a leceister fan came into this forum and agreed with me that it was his supporting staff that deserved a lot of the credit toward their success was when I was finally got support toward my opinion at the time. Most United fan, were easily believing the hype of Ranieri.

 

[Bobcat]

When, I mean a competitive performance against a top team, I am referring to a great performance against Europe top team. Chelsea victory is the only one that come closest because Chelsea is a top team, but when you look at their recent performance, they were not at their best. A great performance against liverpool this week will no doubt ensue Ole passes this test.

We barely squandering money on duds the last few season. We have just had terrible manager. Pogba, our most expensive signing has been our best player. Martial and Lindelof has been key players. Di Maria has the most assist when we purchased him. Fred, is a top talent, just need a proper manager. Lukaku has been great when it comes to getting goal before. Whereas, Sanchez there is a quality player in there and under the right manager, he can be useful. Depay is doing well at Lyon but was misused here at United. So as you can see, our spending has more to do with bad management rather than bad players. That site that says Spurs have a higher market value doesn’t not equate to they have a better squad. These are just subjective numbers, that has no bases on reality until a team actual put in an offer and purchase them. Rashford to a team may be worth higher than Ali and Pogba higher than Kane. So that stat is useless. What is factual is that Manchester United has better depth than Spurs and individual players. If most of these Spurs player had chosen United over the past few years, it is hard to believe they would have developed as well at United as they would under Spurs.
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Come on man, thats some serious mental gymnastics right there. Fred, Lukaku and Sanchez have been shite, Depay is a fraud and Di Maria did not work here. And Rashford might be worth the same as Alli, but no way he is as valuable as Kane as of today. Maybe in a few years, but not now.

You make it sound like Spurs have a shite team thats only held together by the managerial brilliance of Poch. Its simply not true. Also its pretty arrogant to call stats others pull subjective and then pass of your own opinions as facts. If we compare first teams we have the better keeper, Spurs have the better defense (by far), midfield is pretty even, we might be slightly better with Pogba being fantastic currently and attack i think most will say Spurs is best.

And yes we have wasted a lot of money. Partly because we are filthy rich so agents know they can squeeze us for more money and partly because we have had three managers in a row with heads up their arses. From 13/14 to this season we have spent a combined £388 million on Fellaini, Di Maria, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Depay, Rojo, Darmian, Mkhitaryain, Fred, Lukaku and Sanchez who have all been failures (Jury is still out on the latter two)

 

[PepsiCola]

I can remember being a newb back in the day and dishing out paragraph posts, now days I've became a lazy bastard.

haha same here!

 

[Gator Nate]

I can remember being a newb back in the day and dishing out paragraph posts, now days I've became a lazy bastard.

Well if I had unlimited posting privileges, I could afford to be lazy, too!

But thanks, guys! I can post 10x a day now, instead of 5.

 

[Giggsyking]

Is OGS style of football the closest we played to Sir Alex football?

 

[Who'sHe10]

Maybe it's time to update Ole's chant with a Poch reference. First attempt...

You are my Solskjaer, my Ole Solskjaer,
You make me happy when skies are grey,
Oh Daniel Levy is too f***ing greedy,
So please don't take my Solskjaer away.

 

[beedoubleyou]

All this talk of a Plan B, let's appreciate that someone has come in and found a rudderless side a Plan A!

He has done so without transfers and with a side one of the most successful managers of the modern era failed to get a tune from.

 

[Tony247]

Maybe it's time to update Ole's chant with a Poch reference. First attempt...

You are my Solskjaer, my Ole Solskjaer,
You make me happy when skies are grey,
Oh Daniel Levy is too f***ing greedy,
So please don't take my Solskjaer away.

no mate, we are Man Utd. levy can't buy out our players or manager if we want them. we will buy levy from spurs.

 

[Flexdegea]

One thing I've noticed around here is the bandying about of the word "tactics". Most of the time, if you don't agree with what a coach does, he's obviously using bad "tactics." And those are usually hindsight accusations. Folks, you don't win 11 of 13 with any sort of bad tactics. The lack of ability to change tactics because you don't have quality players, and specifically depth of quality players, is not bad tactics or lack of tactics. It's lack of options. Nevermind he's still figuring out all the combinations he has to work with because he's only been here two months.

Pointing out that Poch won the tactics battle when Ole's crew were spent (a point on conditioning that Ole made before even the first match) is ludicrous. Ole had the upper hand for 60+ minutes with squads that are pretty even on the talent side of things. But when our lads lost their legs playing a style they've not endured in recent memory, Spurs are suddenly tactically brilliant? For scoring no goals? Everyone had noticed that our guys couldn't keep up the pace at that point. They're doing better at that now, I might add.

And against PSG, Ole had no options on tactics once TWO of his main offensive players went down to injury at the end of the first half. Park the bus and hope for a 0-0 draw? Yeah, that would have gone over like a lead balloon! We were basically playing with 10 men for the last 10 minutes of the first half anyway because Martial was a dead man walking. People criticized Ole after the fact for putting Mata out there instead of Lukaku, but really, how much grief has Lukaku gotten for his play? The previous weekend, he'd been accused of being Fulham's #1 defender. Oh, and it still took PSG eight minutes after those two substitutions to score their first goal. And then PP gets himself thrown out with 5 minutes to go... Yet at the end of the night, PSG had only had the ball 56% of the time and two more shots off than we did. It was a heck of a lot closer than people want to make it out.



Excellent point, every team relies on its stars. That's why they sign them. And so what if we become "too reliant" on Pogba this year? Who else on this squad has that quality that we can rely on to get us through? Oh, I know. De Gea... but that's not a good thing either, as the Poch lovers seem to think. (Is is me, or does it seem that among the multitude United supporters, there seems to be a very small subset that is genuinely angry that Tottenham lost that game?)

Out of curiosity, how many teams base their tactics on their strikers to creating their own chances? I mean, I guess you could, but really, the idea is to set your strikers up. We have a Pogba to do that. Other teams don't, so they might not be as good at it. Right now, without him, we're not as good at it, either. That lack of options again...

As for luck, it's part of the game. But you also make your own luck. You put yourself in a position to capitalize on it. Just ask Leicester.

/manifesto

Exactly my thoughts.

Top post.


Bizarre the Poch brigade

 

[Amadaeus]

Come on man, thats some serious mental gymnastics right there. Fred, Lukaku and Sanchez have been shite, Depay is a fraud and Di Maria did not work here. And Rashford might be worth the same as Alli, but no way he is as valuable as Kane as of today. Maybe in a few years, but not now.

You make it sound like Spurs have a shite team thats only held together by the managerial brilliance of Poch. Its simply not true. Also its pretty arrogant to call stats others pull subjective and then pass of your own opinions as facts. If we compare first teams we have the better keeper, Spurs have the better defense (by far), midfield is pretty even, we might be slightly better with Pogba being fantastic currently and attack i think most will say Spurs is best.

And yes we have wasted a lot of money. Partly because we are filthy rich so agents know they can squeeze us for more money and partly because we have had three managers in a row with heads up their arses. From 13/14 to this season we have spent a combined £388 million on Fellaini, Di Maria, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Depay, Rojo, Darmian, Mkhitaryain, Fred, Lukaku and Sanchez who have all been failures (Jury is still out on the latter two)

Fred may have been shite in training, which explains why he has not been selected. However, I remember early on, he put on some impressive performance. It definitely made me and many supporters question why he has not been selected more often. Fred reminds me of Sissoko and I m positive that there is a good player in there. Lukaku is his first few season has not been that shite. He has gotten us plenty of goals. Sanchez on the other hand, has not gotten going yet despite being very talented. He is not shite like Anderson, but moreso, not worth his value.

You can believe Depay was a fraud, but he is doing well at Lyon now. A better argument to be had was that Louis Van Gaal was a fraud. Di Maria, once again had the most assist in the league at a poorly coached United team. So it is hard to say he didn’t work here.

I didn’t compare Rashford value to Kane. Pogba is worth more or as much as Kane. I never stated that Spurs has a shite team. United have a far greater depth than Spurs, which is important when competing at multiple fronts and have injuries to account for. When comparing first eleven, it is pretty even, but after United spend another £200m and Spurs spent only £0 or £100m, it is hard to argue who will have the better team once again.

You can call all those players failures, but a lot of them played an important part in us winning the Europa league, domestic cups and coming second in the league.

 

[Rish Sawhney]

Fred may have been shite in training, which explains why he has not been selected. However, I remember early on, he put on some impressive performance. It definitely made me and many supporters question why he has not been selected more often. Fred reminds me of Sissoko and I m positive that there is a good player in there. Lukaku is his first few season has not been that shite. He has gotten us plenty of goals. Sanchez on the other hand, has not gotten going yet despite being very talented. He is not shite like Anderson, but moreso, not worth his value.

You can believe Depay was a fraud, but he is doing well at Lyon know. A better argument to be had was that Louis Van Gaal was a fraud. Di Maria, once again had the most assist in the league at a poorly coached United team. So it is hard to say he didn’t work here.

I didn’t compare Rashford value to Kane. Pogba is worth more or as much as Kane. I never stated that Spurs has a shite team. United have a far greater depth than Spurs, which is important when competing at multiple fronts and have injuries to account for. When comparing first eleven, it is pretty even, but after United spend another £200m and Spurs spent only £0 or £100m, it is hard to argue who will have the better team once again.

You can call all those players failures, but a lot of them played an important part in us winning the Europa league, domestic cups and coming second in the league.

Imagine thinking that a player who's had a handful of good games for Lyon is not a fraud but the CL and league winner in various top European leagues is.

This is getting out of hand now. And I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. That Poch has been the best manager ever and if we don't hire him we'll regret if for the rest of time?

 

[Amadaeus]

Imagine thinking that a player who's had a handful of good games for Lyon is not a fraud but the CL and league winner in various top European leagues is.

This is getting out of hand now. And I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. That Poch has been the best manager ever and if we don't hire him we'll regret if for the rest of time?

Ok, glad you think that Van Gaal was an excellent manager at United. We should have kept him on instead of getting Mourinho. Many players has criticized Van Gaal approach and just like sariball at Chelsea, what Van Gaal tried to do at United was not true to our culture.

 

[Canagel]

One thing I've noticed around here is the bandying about of the word "tactics". Most of the time, if you don't agree with what a coach does, he's obviously using bad "tactics." And those are usually hindsight accusations. Folks, you don't win 11 of 13 with any sort of bad tactics. The lack of ability to change tactics because you don't have quality players, and specifically depth of quality players, is not bad tactics or lack of tactics. It's lack of options. Nevermind he's still figuring out all the combinations he has to work with because he's only been here two months.

Pointing out that Poch won the tactics battle when Ole's crew were spent (a point on conditioning that Ole made before even the first match) is ludicrous. Ole had the upper hand for 60+ minutes with squads that are pretty even on the talent side of things. But when our lads lost their legs playing a style they've not endured in recent memory, Spurs are suddenly tactically brilliant? For scoring no goals? Everyone had noticed that our guys couldn't keep up the pace at that point. They're doing better at that now, I might add.

And against PSG, Ole had no options on tactics once TWO of his main offensive players went down to injury at the end of the first half. Park the bus and hope for a 0-0 draw? Yeah, that would have gone over like a lead balloon! We were basically playing with 10 men for the last 10 minutes of the first half anyway because Martial was a dead man walking. People criticized Ole after the fact for putting Mata out there instead of Lukaku, but really, how much grief has Lukaku gotten for his play? The previous weekend, he'd been accused of being Fulham's #1 defender. Oh, and it still took PSG eight minutes after those two substitutions to score their first goal. And then PP gets himself thrown out with 5 minutes to go... Yet at the end of the night, PSG had only had the ball 56% of the time and two more shots off than we did. It was a heck of a lot closer than people want to make it out.



Excellent point, every team relies on its stars. That's why they sign them. And so what if we become "too reliant" on Pogba this year? Who else on this squad has that quality that we can rely on to get us through? Oh, I know. De Gea... but that's not a good thing either, as the Poch lovers seem to think. (Is is me, or does it seem that among the multitude United supporters, there seems to be a very small subset that is genuinely angry that Tottenham lost that game?)

Out of curiosity, how many teams base their tactics on their strikers to creating their own chances? I mean, I guess you could, but really, the idea is to set your strikers up. We have a Pogba to do that. Other teams don't, so they might not be as good at it. Right now, without him, we're not as good at it, either. That lack of options again...

As for luck, it's part of the game. But you also make your own luck. You put yourself in a position to capitalize on it. Just ask Leicester.

/manifesto

100% facts.

 

[Black Adder]

Is OGS style of football the closest we played to Sir Alex football?

His overall aproach is in Sir Alex mould IMO, which then translates onto pitch, so yeah

 

[JohnnyKills]

Is OGS style of football the closest we played to Sir Alex football?

OGS's style of football is the closest we've played to actual football.

 

[Canagel]

Is OGS style of football the closest we played to Sir Alex football?

yes. and of the European coaches he reminds me of Zidane and Ancelotti. two managers who excell in man management and build around the strengths of the team rather than force one style of play onto the team with little room for adjustment.

 

[Acquire Me]

Poch is not going to be our next manager. You can rest now @Amadaeus

 

[Amadaeus]

Poch is not going to be our next manager. You can rest now @Amadaeus

To be honest, I am pretty sure he won’t be as well. If Ole has been doing a poor job, then I believe United would be more desperate to sign him. But, since he is a doing a good job, I don’t believe the board will be that urgent to replace him unless something drastic happens now towards the end of the season. My assessment is just toward whether he would be a better appointment than the likes of other possible candidates like Tuchel, Pochettino, Zidane and Marco Rose. He has convinced me to be in the top 2, but after the psg game, he may have slide down my pecking order.

 

[Anustart89]

Excellent point, every team relies on its stars. That's why they sign them. And so what if we become "too reliant" on Pogba this year? Who else on this squad has that quality that we can rely on to get us through? Oh, I know. De Gea... but that's not a good thing either, as the Poch lovers seem to think. (Is is me, or does it seem that among the multitude United supporters, there seems to be a very small subset that is genuinely angry that Tottenham lost that game?)

Out of curiosity, how many teams base their tactics on their strikers to creating their own chances? I mean, I guess you could, but really, the idea is to set your strikers up. We have a Pogba to do that. Other teams don't, so they might not be as good at it. Right now, without him, we're not as good at it, either. That lack of options again...

Good post. I do however want to point out that I think that Ole's too reliant on the fact that he has football players on the pitch. I bet Pochettino could do the same thing, maybe slightly worse, something like 9-0-4, with cattle, so for that reason I still want Poch to join in the summer because Ole hasn't proven himself before he has shown that he doesn't need to rely too heavily on having football players playing for him.

 

[Gator Nate]

Good post. I do however want to point out that I think that Ole's too reliant on the fact that he has football players on the pitch. I bet Pochettino could do the same thing, maybe slightly worse, something like 9-0-4, with cattle, so for that reason I still want Poch to join in the summer because Ole hasn't proven himself before he has shown that he doesn't need to rely too heaviliy on having football players playing for him.

So you think the Grazers are aiming to bring in Poch?

 

[Bobcat]

Fred may have been shite in training, which explains why he has not been selected. However, I remember early on, he put on some impressive performance. It definitely made me and many supporters question why he has not been selected more often. Fred reminds me of Sissoko and I m positive that there is a good player in there. Lukaku is his first few season has not been that shite. He has gotten us plenty of goals. Sanchez on the other hand, has not gotten going yet despite being very talented. He is not shite like Anderson, but moreso, not worth his value.

You can believe Depay was a fraud, but he is doing well at Lyon now. A better argument to be had was that Louis Van Gaal was a fraud. Di Maria, once again had the most assist in the league at a poorly coached United team. So it is hard to say he didn’t work here.

I didn’t compare Rashford value to Kane. Pogba is worth more or as much as Kane. I never stated that Spurs has a shite team. United have a far greater depth than Spurs, which is important when competing at multiple fronts and have injuries to account for. When comparing first eleven, it is pretty even, but after United spend another £200m and Spurs spent only £0 or £100m, it is hard to argue who will have the better team once again.

You can call all those players failures, but a lot of them played an important part in us winning the Europa league, domestic cups and coming second in the league.

We can probably bicker all day long about the relative strength of the squads, but the point is that we have paid a lot of money over the past six years and the quality does not reflect the money spent where as Tottenham has spent very wisely and has built a very good team on a small budget. You originally claimed Poch must be a better manager because they are higher on the table and have spent far less, which in this case does not hold water for a number of reasons

1) We have wasted money on a lot of duds and changing managers every two years also gets expensive when they want to bring their own players
2) Tottenham have spent very wisely (which is something Poch deserves credit for the years hes been there)
3) Money spent is not a direct reflection on squad quality, generally yes, but not in this case.
4) Tottenham (well before Poch arrived) has to get credit for their scouting and talent development. Players like Berbatov, Modric, Bale, Kane, Alli and Eriksen dont just fall into your lap by accident
5) Spurs climbing on the table is not only down to them getting better. They got a helping hand with us being shite past Fergie, Arsenal being Arsenal and Chelsea having meltdown every other year
6) Ole has not signed a single player yet and despite the price tag of our squad, we were a complete mess when he arrived.

 

[redasian]

You have to love a good football cartoon

That Herrera cartoon is ridiculously adorable.

Edit: sorry - wrong cartoon in a wrong thread!! Saw the one with Ole at the wheel and Herrera making Sarri walk the plank.

 

[Sandikan]

The best observation anyone made about Solskjaer was when they said that the goalposts keep moving after every game marked as a challenge.

The early home wins were binned off as "easy games", despite Jose showing there are few when you're in a mess.
Then Newcastle away was the next hurdle - beat them, oh they're poor.

Tottenham away - beaten, but a defensive masterclass / Tottenham poor finishing show was the reason.
Arsenal away - beaten but "it's Arsenal"

PSG was used as some sort of justification by a few, that he wasn't right for the job, ignoring that we have a fair few weaknesses in our team, against a star filled squad.

Chelsea win, back on track, but again concentrating on Chelsea's issues

Hopefully we beat Liverpool, but I expect there will still be excuses, or we "haven't made top 4 yet" sentiments.

 

[Dve]

The greatest argument for taking Ole over Poch right now, is the players. The general image you get from media coverage, is that the players love him, and they quite strongly back him for the job. If could be, of course, that some feel left out in the dark, but the most important anyway, is that the BEST players back him. Why would anyone force a new manager on Podga? Martial? Lingaard? Etc.

 

[JohnnyKills]

The greatest argument for taking Ole over Poch right now, is the players. The general image you get from media coverage, is that the players love him, and they quite strongly back him for the job. If could be, of course, that some feel left out in the dark, but the most important anyway, is that the BEST players back him. Why would anyone force a new manager on Podga? Martial? Lingaard? Etc.

Agreed. Although if we got a top-class alternative you imagine they'd be happy with that too.

 

[JohnnyKills]

To be honest, I am pretty sure he won’t be as well. If Ole has been doing a poor job, then I believe United would be more desperate to sign him. But, since he is a doing a good job, I don’t believe the board will be that urgent to replace him unless something drastic happens now towards the end of the season. My assessment is just toward whether he would be a better appointment than the likes of other possible candidates like Tuchel, Pochettino, Zidane and Marco Rose. He has convinced me to be in the top 2, but after the psg game, he may have slide down my pecking order.

Fair post. Won't get much credit in here but I agree.

My concern is that this is an absolutely crucial appointment and we have to get it right. It's not like we're building from a position of strength.

Solksjaer's done brilliantly but his top-level managerial experience, whichever way you put it, amounts to a handful of games.

 

[Handré1990]

Would agree with this. We were outsmarted tactically in both PSG and Spurs (2nd half) games.

I don't agree entirely with all you say though, but I believe it is perfectly fair to want Ole to get the job and back him, but also reserve our judgment till the end of the season or have apprehensions about his appointment. He's done a lot of good things and even exceeded some expectations, but many people in this forum can't condone even the slightest criticism of Ole and want no opinion other than a blind backing of him for permanent manager.

After 4 years of failure, fans can be excused for exercising caution in jumping to conclusions regarding managerial appointments. Sarri was going great guns just 3 months ago.

The poster you’re quoting isn’t doing any of that reasonable critisism stuff, he needs us to dominate and win with hockey scores vs City/Liverpool/PSG/Bayern to convince him. Like many have already stated, it’s so unreasonable it’s gettig laughable.

Edit: I have to add, this season. With a team he’s inherited.

 

[Dve]

Agreed. Although if we got a top-class alternative you imagine they'd be happy with that too.

Well, you know what you have, but not what you get

 

[Eriku]

I can remember being a newb back in the day and dishing out paragraph posts, now days I've became a lazy bastard.

This [/irony]

 

[Amadaeus]

We can probably bicker all day long about the relative strength of the squads, but the point is that we have paid a lot of money over the past six years and the quality does not reflect the money spent where as Tottenham has spent very wisely and has built a very good team on a small budget. You originally claimed Poch must be a better manager because they are higher on the table and have spent far less, which in this case does not hold water for a number of reasons

1) We have wasted money on a lot of duds and changing managers every two years also gets expensive when they want to bring their own players
2) Tottenham have spent very wisely (which is something Poch deserves credit for the years hes been there)
3) Money spent is not a direct reflection on squad quality, generally yes, but not in this case.
4) Tottenham (well before Poch arrived) has to get credit for their scouting and talent development. Players like Berbatov, Modric, Bale, Kane, Alli and Eriksen dont just fall into your lap by accident
5) Spurs climbing on the table is not only down to them getting better. They got a helping hand with us being shite past Fergie, Arsenal being Arsenal and Chelsea having meltdown every other year
6) Ole has not signed a single player yet and despite the price tag of our squad, we were a complete mess when he arrived.

In regards to the bold part, where did I state that? And we have spent a lot in the past year but because our poor mangement some of our performance doesn’t match what we have paid. Ole has not spend anything on this squad and it is doing well because we finally have selected a proper manager that has the right philosophy and man management skill. Even with the last two managers we had, we still won trophies which should show that most of our spending was not a failure.

If Spurs has such a great team, why were there average finish around 6th place before Pochettino took over? The league was less competitive then than it is now. Pochettino has gotten these players to average 3rd position since he took over which shows that more of the credit goes to pochettino than his scouting team. You can keep using the excuse that other teams around Spurs were shite, but that is just a way to deflect Pochettino accomplishments. United won the Europa league, Arsenal won the fa cup, City and Chelsea the league, and Liverpool had record breaking Salah in their team last season. It is much harder now to get into the top four than it is before as mid table team can now afford some good players that was beyond their reach due to financial restrictions and there are some great managers in the league right now.

 

[Mr Smith]

People who aren't sure 2 months is enough time to judge a manager have valid concerns. But people who say that, then use examples from those 2 months to prove why he isn't good enough are driven by agenda clearly.

I think tactics are important but are overstated on here. Most of the great tactical managers today either aren't successful or play crap football. I think Ole does understand tactics, can improve and we can also hire someone to coach it anyway. Ole has already said he seems himself as a manager, not a coach.

The rest of your argument aside (which I don't completely disagree with) the bolded section is ridiculous. Guardiola, Poch, Allegri, Tunchel, Simeone, Emery, and many others are all extremely tactical, and they all either play excellent football or are very successful (or both).

 

[Keanes Magic Hat]

Ole has to be our man, I agree no need to do it right now but the club needs him. It would mean more having success under him to fans and players a like. A club has to be more than just success you have to to really care about it and you want the players and manager to feel the same, there is only one club for ole.

Even if you disagree with the above his ability so far and what he did at Molde is enough for me as well.

 

[Lj82]

People who aren't sure 2 months is enough time to judge a manager have valid concerns. But people who say that, then use examples from those 2 months to prove why he isn't good enough are driven by agenda clearly.

I think tactics are important but are overstated on here. Most of the great tactical managers today either aren't successful or play crap football. I think Ole does understand tactics, can improve and we can also hire someone to coach it anyway. Ole has already said he seems himself as a manager, not a coach.

Good post. Agree with the two points you make here. I have no problems with people preferring Poch. However the way some posters tries to justify their preference by twisting facts or downplaying Ole's achievement is quite pathetic.

Also agree that tactics is only just aspect of being a suitable manager for Utd. Man management is under rated here for some reasons.

 

[Lj82]

Good post. Agree with the two points you make here. I have no problems with people preferring Poch. However the way some posters tries to justify their preference by twisting facts or downplaying Ole's achievement is quite pathetic.

Also agree that tactics is only just aspect of being a suitable manager for Utd. Man management is under rated here for some reasons.

And to add, it's one thing having great tactics, but the ability to enforce it in the team, having the team believe in your tactics and execute them is probably more important than the tactics themself. And this is where I am thoroughly impressed by Ole.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

I hope we damage City and Liverpool just enough so Spurs can nick the title

God I hope not. I despise them on a personal level. Rather have city win. Not Liverpool tho

 

[shamans]

Good post. Agree with the two points you make here. I have no problems with people preferring Poch. However the way some posters tries to justify their preference by twisting facts or downplaying Ole's achievement is quite pathetic.

Also agree that tactics is only just aspect of being a suitable manager for Utd. Man management is under rated here for some reasons.

It goes both ways though. Some have took Ole's 2 months to compare Poch's years with and used it as a stick to beat Poch with. Poch is a top class manager while Ole is still so far "proving to be" a top class manager. So far so good but in Football things change very, very fast. I believe we should keep backing Ole but it's important not to get delusional

 

[RasTiaGba]

In regards to the bold part, where did I state that? And we have spent a lot in the past year but because our poor mangement some of our performance doesn’t match what we have paid. Ole has not spend anything on this squad and it is doing well because we finally have selected a proper manager that has the right philosophy and man management skill. Even with the last two managers we had, we still won trophies which should show that most of our spending was not a failure.

If Spurs has such a great team, why were there average finish around 6th place before Pochettino took over? The league was less competitive then than it is now. Pochettino has gotten these players to average 3rd position since he took over which shows that more of the credit goes to pochettino than his scouting team. You can keep using the excuse that other teams around Spurs were shite, but that is just a way to deflect Pochettino accomplishments. United won the Europa league, Arsenal won the fa cup, City and Chelsea the league, and Liverpool had record breaking Salah in their team last season. It is much harder now to get into the top four than it is before as mid table team can now afford some good players that was beyond their reach due to financial restrictions and there are some great managers in the league right now.

If we win the FA cup this season that's arguably better than anything Poch has done at Spurs.

Clubs like Man United would have a successful season (with the high standards you hold Ole to), by winning a FA cup and finishing top 4. Whereas the lower standards you hold Poch to, he doesn't need to win an FA cup or anything.

 

[Lj82]

It goes both ways though. Some have took Ole's 2 months to compare Poch's years with and used it as a stick to beat Poch with. Poch is a top class manager while Ole is still so far "proving to be" a top class manager. So far so good but in Football things change very, very fast. I believe we should keep backing Ole but it's important not to get delusional

True that it goes both ways. Football is tribal.

 

[Paul InceUlt]

And to add, it's one thing having great tactics, but the ability to enforce it in the team, having the team believe in your tactics and execute them is probably more important than the tactics themself. And this is where I am thoroughly impressed by Ole.

This.

Tactics give the premises on how the games are executed. What wins them are the worriors fighting for it because they belive in it. This is where Ole nails it on the aspect of man management.
Faith can make up a whole lot of ground on non optimal tactics. Not saying Ole’s tactics hasn’t been optimal though, but it seems to me like tactics takes too much room in these discussions.

It has also been argued that hiring Ole is the romantic choice.
Hell yeah! Don’t we put our hearts into this? He can be the fecking love of our lives. Do not let him slip away before he’s been given a proper chance.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Most of the recent posts in this thread has been good.

6) Games against in-form Liverpool, City and even perhaps the PSG game might give an idea of how tactically flexible Ole is. These three teams are not as inflexible as Chelsea, Arsenal etc and we will see if Ole can match them.

Concur with the rest of your post but what I suspect will happen is that regardless of the results against those three teams, we will happily concede possession and play counter attacking football.

I'm not against that for pragmatic reasons and because of the lack of time OGS has had so far but I've not seen much thus far to suggest slightly more nuanced tactics. E.g deliberately slowing the game down by asking for control, not setting up to defend deep and play on breaks, ask for more possession play from the midfield, high line/organised press etc, playing it from the back. I realise, half of those things I would like to see (even in tiny amounts) is out of OGS' control due to player personnel and time. It's a high standard because I expect a high standard from the next Utd manager. I'm not criticising OGS for that, I'm just waiting to see how it pans out until the end of the season before I start making concrete assumptions.