Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

[Revan]

Would be very surprised if the Glazier's don't take Fergie and Charlton's word, otherwise there wouldn't be much point in them being there.

No idea how the dynamics are there, to be fair, though Fegie lost a lot of power by recommending Moyes to them.

Regardless, I think that Ole will get the job, providing that the remaining games are not a disaster. If it continues like this, no doubt that he has earned it, and I see the board being unanimous on hiring him permanently.

 

[Samid]

No way, Ole Gunnar, not Ola gunnar.
I´ve lived in Sweden for six years now so maybe its fecked up my mind, but its always been Ole, no?

Which is it then?

@Grylte is right.

It's Ole straightforward if you speak Norwegian/Swedish.

It's not Ole if you speak English. Vowels in Norwegian make completely different sounds than in English.

Ole in English sounds like Oh-lly. In English the Norwegian Ole is supposed to sound Ool-a.

 

[crossy1686]

No way, Ole Gunnar, not Ola gunnar.
I´ve lived in Sweden for six years now so maybe its fecked up my mind, but its always been Ole, no?

Me too!

 

[Ventura]

It's Ole straightforward if you speak Norwegian/Swedish.

It's not Ole if you speak English. Vowels in Norwegian make completely different sounds than in English.

Ole in English sounds like Oh-lly. In English the Norwegian Ole is supposed to sound Ool-a.

No, it's very easy. "Ole", but the E is pronounced like the E in "send", not the E from the alphabet.

 

[crossy1686]

This should help.

 

[BootsyCollins]

Me too!

Stockholm, i love and hate this city at the same time.

 

[SirAF]

It's Ole straightforward if you speak Norwegian/Swedish.

It's not Ole if you speak English. Vowels in Norwegian make completely different sounds than in English.

Ole in English sounds like Oh-lly. In English the Norwegian Ole is supposed to sound Ool-a.

Of course, but the question was in relation to the Norwegian pronunciation and not the English, right?

 

[crossy1686]

Stockholm, i love and hate this city at the same time.

Same. Stockholm is great but I very much have a love hate relationship with it, don't get me started on the football watching culture...

 

[Samid]

No, it's very easy. "Ole", but the E is pronounced like the E in "send", not the E from the alphabet.

When dealing with pronunciation you're supposed to use letters from the alphabet, not from random words.

If it was Ole straightforward in English you wouldn't be hearing every English speaker on telly calling him Oh-lly. So no, it's not 'very easy'.

 

[Samid]

Of course, but the question was in relation to the Norwegian pronunciation and not the English, right?

Well, we're on an English speaking forum. The correct pronunciation in Norwegian is Ole but how on earth are English speakers supposed to know what Ole sounds like in Norwegian if we don't break it up in English?

Just saying 'the pronunciation is Ole' doesn't really clear up anything for English speakers.

 

[SirAF]

Well, we're on an English speaking forum. The correct pronunciation in Norwegian is Ole but how on earth are English speakers supposed to know what Ole sounds like in Norwegian if we don't break it up in English?

Just saying 'the pronunciation is Ole' doesn't really clear up anything for English speakers.

Sure, but the guy DID ask for the Norwegian pronunciation and @Grylte gave him a decent breakdown.

 

[Ventura]

When dealing with pronunciation you're supposed to use letters from the alphabet, not from random words.

If it was Ole straightforward in English you wouldn't be hearing every English speaker on telly calling him Oh-lly. So no, it's not 'very easy'.

You don't know what you're talking about, mate. The example word is not random, it's from this page (https://www.londonschool.com/blog/phonetic-alphabet/) and is an example based on how to pronounce sounds in the phonetic alphabet. Every English person can pronounce that sound.

 

[rotherham_red]

That is not true.

Wanderlei Luxembergo says hi

 

[Grylte]

@Grylte is right.

Finally the day has come!
Never thought i'd experience a day someone said those words about me

Coming from roughly the same part of Norway as Solskjær, i should know this better than the Danish speakers in Oslo

 

[SirAF]

Finally the day has come!
Never thought i'd experience a day someone said those words about me

Coming from roughly the same part of Norway as Solskjær, i should know this better than the Danish speakers in Oslo

You are also from Møre and Romsdal?

 

[NorthernAvengeR]

For those struggling with pronunciation:

 

[Ventura]

Finally the day has come!
Never thought i'd experience a day someone said those words about me

Coming from roughly the same part of Norway as Solskjær, i should know this better than the Danish speakers in Oslo

So do you approve of the video that crossy posted?

 

[Grylte]

You are also from Møre and Romsdal?

Sogn og Fjordane, so close enough

 

[Grylte]

So do you approve of the video that crossy posted?

It's not horrible, sounds like it's a guy...kid, from India or thereabouts. If i'm right in that, it's a decent pronounciation by a non-Norwegian.
I actually found that video once when i was googling to try to find a clip with the correct pronounciation, but chose not to use it.

 

[Tiber]

In Mourinho's last days, there was clearly an element of players no longer listening to a negative message. Mourinho cut a distant figure, even to his own coaching team.

On one occasion, he jumped on the team coach 40 minutes before it was due to depart and sat there in silence, with no explanation. When word got round, his coaches hurried on board also. They never actually found out why he had sat there.

How the feck did this headcase ever manage to become such a successful manager?

 

[Minimalist]

Not sure about reliability of Curtis

Hope it’s true.

If the other option is Poch, I’d rather stick with Ole and get a good DoF in to manage transfers, long-term strategy etc.

Would honestly rather have Zidane if we insisted on a new manager but that has gone quiet now.

 

[Grylte]

So do you approve of the video that crossy posted?

The post before yours is better, obviously

 

[NorthernAvengeR]

So do you approve of the video that crossy posted?

As a fellow Møring, not really.

Sogn og Fjordane, so close enough

Ah. Your tagline makes so much sense now.

 

[crossy1686]

Bit of a difference

To be fair, I couldn't hear the one I posted properly, I'm at work and I didn't want to blast it out.

I speak Swedish though and it sounded similar to how you would pronounce it in Swedish.

 

[Tiber]

To be fair, I couldn't hear the one I posted properly, I'm at work and I didn't want to blast it out.

I speak Swedish though and it sounded similar to how you would pronounce it in Swedish.

I actually took the post down anyway, felt a bit bad for laughing at what sounds like a 12 year old

 

[Samid]

Sure, but the guy DID ask for the Norwegian pronunciation and @Grylte gave him a decent breakdown.

But if I asked how Blaszczykowski is pronounced in Polish I would be looking for a breakdown in English. Not in Polish because that wouldn't be of much help.

 

[Grylte]

As a fellow Møring, not really.
Ah. Your tagline makes so much sense now.

Keep it in the family!

 

[Adisa]

How the feck did this headcase ever manage to become such a successful manager?

I hate speculating but he could be suffering from depression.

 

[SirAF]

Ah. Your tagline makes so much sense now.

 

[SirAF]

But if I asked how Blaszczykowski is pronounced in Polish I would be looking for a breakdown in English. Not in Polish because that wouldn't be of much help.

A breakdown in English wouldn’t help you saying Blaszcykowski in Polish. The man asked for the Noggie pronunciation, not the English one. It’s over mate.

 

[Adamsk7]

I am all for Ole getting the job permanently. More than anything though, I would love to see our DOF appointment happen as soon as possible so we can see how they work together over the remaining months of the season. I know there may not be any physical way we can see this due to the DOF’s main barometer of success being bringing in new players that fit the philosophy and profile of the club BUT things like “oh he’s fitting in brilliantly” or “he understands what this club is all about” quotes from Ole/Ed/Players would give positive messages.

This relationship is vital because the one area I don’t necessarily trust anyone at the club currently, is player recruitment. Realistically, Ole’s main job is to keep the players happy and motivated, which we know he’s brilliant at, because the tactical side is never going to be a one person mastermind approach. We have Mick, Kieran and Michael all helping and I trust the ‘Hive mind’ of those four to be able to put together a decent plan and to change things on the fly when we need to.

I genuinely don’t think Poch or Zidane can add anything other than the eye for a good player (Poch) or the draw of the superstar manager (Zidane) that Ole AND his team isn’t currently bringing and those things would be negated by an exciting DOF appointment with a great track record.
Get them in, let them all work together, then assess what we have as a complete dynamic nearer the end of the season.

 

[crossy1686]

I hate speculating but he could be suffering from depression.

I doubt it but I can understand your point. I think it's more of a case of he came in thinking he would get Ferguson levels of autonomy, only to realise United is the way it is for a reason and you don't get to change or mould much, and the things that are non-negotiable at United probably aren't inline with his philosophies in football.

I've worked at places myself where I just haven't bought into the ethos as I just didn't believe what they were doing was the best way to do things, that has ultimately seen me leave positions. I'd bank on him feeling the same. Sometimes it just doesn't fit like you thought it would.

 

[Minimalist]

I hate speculating but he could be suffering from depression.

Either he’s been depressed for years or that’s not it. Personally think he’s just getting older - young energetic and charismatic arsehole becomes old grumpy arsehole.

 

[Samid]

You don't know what you're talking about, mate. The example word is not random, it's from this page (https://www.londonschool.com/blog/phonetic-alphabet/) and is an example based on how to pronounce sounds in the phonetic alphabet. Every English person can pronounce that sound.

The E in English sounds different from word to word. Just look at the two E's you capitalized in your post 'Every English', both E's make different sounds.

https://rachelsenglish.com/pronounce-letter-e/

Let’s take a look at the letter E. In the word ‘shed’, it is the EH, EH vowel. In the word ‘be’, it is the ee, ee vowel. In the word ‘pretty’, it’s the IH vowel, IH, pretty. In the word ‘anthem’, it is the schwa, uh, uh, anthem. In the word ‘sergeant’, it’s the AH vowel. Sah, sergeant. In the word ‘cafe’, it is the AY diphthong. Cafe.

So when you see this letter in a word, you can’t make assumptions about how it is pronounced. Look it up in a dictionary, or have native speaker say the word to you.

As I said, if every English speaker knew how to pronounce Ole you wouldn't be hearing so many people calling him Oh-lly.

 

[Alemar]

There's literally not a box he's kept unchecked.

Still there is a lot to be done tactically and on the players’ level. Staff should work with De Gea on ball distribution, for example - it just requires additional specific training. There are other players with whom they have to work on particular aspects, too

 

[crossy1686]

Either he’s been depressed for years or that’s not it. Personally think he’s just getting older - young energetic and charismatic arsehole becomes old grumpy arsehole.

He just needs to go to a club that will give him Pep or Klopp levels of autonomy and he'll do fine. He isn't cut out to manage an institution, he needs to be at an underdog.

 

[crossy1686]

Still there is a lot to be done tactically and on the players’ level. Staff should work with De Gea on ball distribution, for example - it just requires additional specific training. There are other players with whom they have to work on particular aspects, too

But you realise these are things that can't be fixed in his current tenure? We would have to appoint him long term to see how he does long term, we won't see how he does long term on a short term stint.

 

[Samid]

A breakdown in English wouldn’t help you saying Blaszcykowski in Polish. The man asked for the Noggie pronunciation, not the English one. It’s over mate.

If you read @VJ1762's original post you would see he was saying that Ingrid said 'Ola' (Ool-a in English) instead of 'Ole' (Oh-lly in English). Ingrid said the first one, which translates to Ole in Norwegian.

That's all he asked about. He wanted to know how Norwegians pronounce the name (broken down in English, because he himself broke it down in English), not broken down in Norwegian because that's totally irrelevant for a non-Norwegian speaker.

That's me done in this discussion. Hope he got his answer.

 

[SirAF]

If you read @VJ1762's original post you would see he was saying that Ingrid said 'Ola' (Ool-a in English) instead of 'Ole' (Oh-lly in English). Ingrid said the first one, which translates to Ole in Norwegian.

That's all he asked about. He wanted to know how Norwegians pronounce the name (broken down in English, because he himself broke it down in English), not broken down in Norwegian because that's totally irrelevant for a non-Norwegian speaker.

That's me done in this discussion. Hope he got his answer.

«question to norwegians here: Is his name pronounced as Ole or Ola? I seem to remember Ingrid addressing him as Ola in the fulham pre-match press conference.»

Nah, you’re interpreting his post wrong.

Every man and his dog knows how the name is pronounced in English because we hear it all the time through the media. It would make no sense to ask a Norwegian how the name is pronounced in English - it would only be interesting for him to know how the name is pronounced in native Norwegian because that would be brand new information to him.

He definitely did get an answer. Several good ones!

 

[Alemar]

But you realise these are things that can't be fixed in his current tenure? We would have to appoint him long term to see how he does long term, we won't see how he does long term on a short term stint.

Certainly I do realize this, of course such things are usually being taken care of in pre-season training. Still, what I was pointing out at is that there are obvious things that may be improved in the team via specific training (I.e. coaching work)